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You cannot compare PJ’s side to Cookies. The game has changed and today players are injured more because they are expected to do a lot more. PJ had 2 strikers supported by wide men so the workload wasn’t as strenuous. Todays forward is expected to be a target man cum winger cum midfielder. The full backs are expected to be racehorses so its no wonder most clubs have massive injury lists. It isn’t just us. Todays tactics and formations put a hell of a strain on players and that’s why the really big boys have so much strength in depth we haven’t.
Give me Jewells team, formations and tactics any day. Modern one is shite.
David Graham scored 1 goal in 30 games. He would hardly have fired us to promotion neither would Ormerod.
Our 2nd string was along the lines of:
Walsh
Wright
Thome
Mitchell
McMillan
Johanssen
Flynn
Dinning
Graham
N. Roberts
OrmerodYes some of those did ok here and there but that side or 5 ot 6 of them for most of the season wouldn’t have ben promoted.
No, you asked who would come in if Ellington or Roberts had got injured. Luckily, they both stayed fit. Ellington was jaded near the end of the season, so Jewell put Ormerod in at Leicester and he scored those two goals.
We had options in most areas that season. That seasons team would smash our present side 5 nil, I’m sure.[/quote]
And we have options this season too if 1 or 2 are missing.
I’m not comparing the two sides I’m pointing out that away from the 11 or 12 regulars our squad wasn’t that great. Which is why we needed Kav to come in for Frandsen because when he got injured we lost our way at times.[/quote]
It was far better than this shite. We haven’t got an actual left back! Kav didnt come in for Frandsen, there was a gap inbetween. Cardiff needed money, so we snooped.[/quote]
He was signed as a replacement for Frandsen because we had started to lose our way a little with no midfield general. Yes there was a gap, but we wouldn’t have signed Kav if we still jad Frandsen
You cannot compare PJ’s side to Cookies. The game has changed and today players are injured more because they are expected to do a lot more. PJ had 2 strikers supported by wide men so the workload wasn’t as strenuous. Todays forward is expected to be a target man cum winger cum midfielder. The full backs are expected to be racehorses so its no wonder most clubs have massive injury lists. It isn’t just us. Todays tactics and formations put a hell of a strain on players and that’s why the really big boys have so much strength in depth we haven’t.
Give me Jewells team, formations and tactics any day. Modern one is shite.[/quote]
I would agree hundred percent vat but there isn’t a lot we can do about it as fans. British coaches and managers are getting few and far between so the good old fashioned up and at em British style of play has been replaced with the more technical foreign approach.
Will expect most of you on here to be there against QPR with your Cook out banners then. Given we have amongst the bottom 3 attendances in the division and our new owners are yet to invest a single penny into the football club would it be fair to say staying up would be quite an achievement. Especially with our star man being injured for the majority of the season.
Our form is indefensible.
It’s a red herring blaming injuries. Our style of play away from home is unrecognisable. Today the back four hit it long at the first opportunity. Not direct play, aimless play.
Windass and Garner started to form some understanding against Villa with nice link-up play. But Cook continues to shake things up and we end up looking like strangers on the field. Windass and Vaughan never once looked to play each other in, they operated like lone strikers, chasing down long-balls, isolated.
Same can be said for midfield, not that they had much to do today, with the ball flying over their heads. Morsy and Evans should always be paired up. Ideally allowing the former to drive upto the edge of the box and help out in attack. On the right Byrne is wasted, outmuscled, and lacks guile. Stick him in his familiar right-back role and push James into midfield. At least when Pilkington and Massey are unavailable.
This long-ball crap away from home has been going on since October. No one can explain why Cook persists with it. Well, some try, but our points return says it all. And for those hanging onto that 6pt gap to the relegation spots. Let’s focus on ourselves and up expectations. I want us as a club to fulfill our potential and not target one place better than the three worst sides in the division. We all know many clubs in this division have greater resources. But 2pts from 39, away from home, shows we are massively underperforming.
You cannot compare PJ’s side to Cookies. The game has changed and today players are injured more because they are expected to do a lot more. PJ had 2 strikers supported by wide men so the workload wasn’t as strenuous. Todays forward is expected to be a target man cum winger cum midfielder. The full backs are expected to be racehorses so its no wonder most clubs have massive injury lists. It isn’t just us. Todays tactics and formations put a hell of a strain on players and that’s why the really big boys have so much strength in depth we haven’t.
Give me Jewells team, formations and tactics any day. Modern one is shite.[/quote]
I would agree hundred percent vat but there isn’t a lot we can do about it as fans. British coaches and managers are getting few and far between so the good old fashioned up and at em British style of play has been replaced with the more technical foreign approach.[/quote]
The one up front and crowd the midfield is a tactic from the Italian league of the 80s and 90s.
Even Barcelona have changed the way they play, switching to more of a 433 formation than the one up front and supportive players.
I always believe in at least 2 up front. Your first line of defence. We let teams play out from defence, playing a high line and putting us on the back foot. Basically, we play in every game, a style that used to be one employed by teams away from home, trying to grab a point.
Our form is indefensible.It’s a red herring blaming injuries. Our style of play away from home is unrecognisable. Today the back four hit it long at the first opportunity. Not direct play, aimless play.
Windass and Garner started to form some understanding against Villa with nice link-up play. But Cook continues to shake things up and we end up looking like strangers on the field. Windass and Vaughan never once looked to play each other in, they operated like lone strikers, chasing down long-balls, isolated.
Same can be said for midfield, not that they had much to do today, with the ball flying over their heads. Morsy and Evans should always be paired up. Ideally allowing the former to drive upto the edge of the box and help out in attack. On the right Byrne is wasted, outmuscled, and lacks guile. Stick him in his familiar right-back role and push James into midfield. At least when Pilkington and Massey are unavailable.
This long-ball crap away from home has been going on since October. No one can explain why Cook persists with it. Well, some try, but our points return says it all. And for those hanging onto that 6pt gap to the relegation spots. Let’s focus on ourselves and up expectations. I want us as a club to fulfill our potential and not target one place better than the three worst sides in the division. We all know many clubs in this division have greater resources. But 2pts from 39, away from home, shows we are massively underperforming.
I agree with that but then I guess it comes down to opinion as to what you see as us achieving our potential. Personally I think surviving as this level with the clubs in the division and the amount of money being thrown around is us overachieving. Maybe that is a defeatist attitude but the value of each squad probably puts us on the bottom 2 or 3.
Injuries are a factor whether you see it as an excuse or not. Take Salah, Firmino, Mane and AN Other out the Liverpool team and see how they do. Even City struggled over Christmas with injuries.
In most games this season we have been missing our LB and entire front 4 so we haven’t been able to play the same style of football as we played at the start of the season because the players we have in are different types of players and also not as good as those missing. Yes we could have picked different sides but that is down to Cook and the medical staff.
I think we will stay up this season and despite our away form, poor performances etc is all that we set out to do. More money then comes into the club and then hopefully we can build and have a decent crack at it like Bristol City say.
Oh, and Nathan Byrne is actually a winger and out of position at right back so technically his more familiar role is on the right ;)
Our form is indefensible.
It’s a red herring blaming injuries. Our style of play away from home is unrecognisable. Today the back four hit it long at the first opportunity. Not direct play, aimless play.
Windass and Garner started to form some understanding against Villa with nice link-up play. But Cook continues to shake things up and we end up looking like strangers on the field. Windass and Vaughan never once looked to play each other in, they operated like lone strikers, chasing down long-balls, isolated.
Same can be said for midfield, not that they had much to do today, with the ball flying over their heads. Morsy and Evans should always be paired up. Ideally allowing the former to drive upto the edge of the box and help out in attack. On the right Byrne is wasted, outmuscled, and lacks guile. Stick him in his familiar right-back role and push James into midfield. At least when Pilkington and Massey are unavailable.
This long-ball crap away from home has been going on since October. No one can explain why Cook persists with it. Well, some try, but our points return says it all. And for those hanging onto that 6pt gap to the relegation spots. Let’s focus on ourselves and up expectations. I want us as a club to fulfill our potential and not target one place better than the three worst sides in the division. We all know many clubs in this division have greater resources. But 2pts from 39, away from home, shows we are massively underperforming.
I agree with that but then I guess it comes down to opinion as to what you see as us achieving our potential. Personally I think surviving as this level with the clubs in the division and the amount of money being thrown around is us overachieving. Maybe that is a defeatist attitude but the value of each squad probably puts us on the bottom 2 or 3.
Injuries are a factor whether you see it as an excuse or not. Take Salah, Firmino, Mane and AN Other out the Liverpool team and see how they do. Even City struggled over Christmas with injuries.
In most games this season we have been missing our LB and entire front 4 so we haven’t been able to play the same style of football as we played at the start of the season because the players we have in are different types of players and also not as good as those missing. Yes we could have picked different sides but that is down to Cook and the medical staff.
I think we will stay up this season and despite our away form, poor performances etc is all that we set out to do. More money then comes into the club and then hopefully we can build and have a decent crack at it like Bristol City say.
Oh, and Nathan Byrne is actually a winger and out of position at right back so technically his more familiar role is on the right ;)[/quote]
We couldnt have played any worse playing our same style of football or the style Cooky once favoured. We just wouldnt have been as good at it. Certainly we could not possibly have been in a position much worse.
I thought this what squads are for.Agree donny and in some instances I think we have tried to play that way. We seem to come out the blocks like Usain Bolt and end up like Gemma Collins. If Morsy, Evans or whoever is in the midfield isn’t free then we just seem to lump it upfield.
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