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    acefaceaaron yates
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    In a bad place again,really hope he can sort his self out,keep fighting it mate :(

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    Unfortunately he will never be able to fight it. By his own admission he can’t live without ale and drugs.
    He’s hopped over to the States to try yet another drying out clinic. They will take the last few dollars he has, then send him home to die a horrible death just like Georgie Best did.

    I just hope that when he does go, he does it peacfully and doesn’t take anyone else with him like his “buddy” Raul Moat did.

    From Matlock to ManU
    What a journey!

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    Captains of our own destiny and he has had more than enough chances ! Look at George Best, given a new liver and a second chance and he pissed it up the wall when someone else could have had that liver ! If you saw someone on the street in the same state as Gazza was in that video you would think ” Look at that pisspot what a disgrace ” The only difference is, that pisspot would have no means of any help because they are just government statistics who nobody gives a fuck about whereas the likes of ex professional footballers have shit loads of money and connections to aid them in times of despair ! It was pitiful watching that video and I would say from the evidence of it that he wont make next Christmas which is a sad assessment for anyone let alone a guy who had so many chances to turn things around !

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    He’s not been the same since Moaty turned down fishing.

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    Captains of our own destiny and he has had more than enough chances ! Look at George Best, given a new liver and a second chance and he pissed it up the wall when someone else could have had that liver ! If you saw someone on the street in the same state as Gazza was in that video you would think ” Look at that pisspot what a disgrace ” The only difference is, that pisspot would have no means of any help because they are just government statistics who nobody gives a fuck about whereas the likes of ex professional footballers have shit loads of money and connections to aid them in times of despair ! It was pitiful watching that video and I would say from the evidence of it that he wont make next Christmas which is a sad assessment for anyone let alone a guy who had so many chances to turn things around !

    Just a couple of points:
    1) George Best did not die because he pished his new liver up the wall. He died due to complications caused by the immunosuppressive drugs he needed to take following his liver transplant & which ultimately caused multiple organ failure. It’s a high risk factor for all transplant patients
    2) Having money is no barrier to prevent the kind things (mental health issues, depression etc..) which can ultimately lead to alcoholism. Alcoholism isn’t purely the result of a person who is unable to exercise some form of self-control over their drinking or to know when it is or isn’t a good idea to start in the first place. In some cases it is in he vast majority it isn’t

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    Very sad state of affairs. Only seems 2 minutes ago when he was parading around on an open top bus with plastic boobs.

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    Captains of our own destiny and he has had more than enough chances ! Look at George Best, given a new liver and a second chance and he pissed it up the wall when someone else could have had that liver ! If you saw someone on the street in the same state as Gazza was in that video you would think ” Look at that pisspot what a disgrace ” The only difference is, that pisspot would have no means of any help because they are just government statistics who nobody gives a fuck about whereas the likes of ex professional footballers have shit loads of money and connections to aid them in times of despair ! It was pitiful watching that video and I would say from the evidence of it that he wont make next Christmas which is a sad assessment for anyone let alone a guy who had so many chances to turn things around !

    Just a couple of points:
    1) George Best did not die because he pished his new liver up the wall. He died due to complications caused by the immunosuppressive drugs he needed to take following his liver transplant & which ultimately caused multiple organ failure. It’s a high risk factor for all transplant patients
    2) Having money is no barrier to prevent the kind things (mental health issues, depression etc..) which can ultimately lead to alcoholism. Alcoholism isn’t purely the result of a person who is unable to exercise some form of self-control over their drinking or to know when it is or isn’t a good idea to start in the first place. In some cases it is in he vast majority it isn’t[/quote]

    I stand corrected re the actual cause of Best’s death but he was back on the sauce at the time and actually allowed one of the big newspapers to photograph him on his death bed with the message ” Don’t Die Like Me ! ” As for Gazza, his money has been used to have him admitted to many top class rehab clinics and psychiatric hospitals and he has been given countless chances down the years, something that our street drunk would never ever receive ! His multiple drink driving offences don’t auger too well either ! The comments underneath his latest drunken video are split with support and no sympathy and I just happen to be in the latter camp !

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    griffChris Griffin
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    Very sad state of affairs. Only seems 2 minutes ago when he was parading around on an open top bus with plastic boobs.

    And he was pissed then, too!

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    I stand corrected re the actual cause of Best’s death but he was back on the sauce at the time and actually allowed one of the big newspapers to photograph him on his death bed with the message ” Don’t Die Like Me ! ” As for Gazza, his money has been used to have him admitted to many top class rehab clinics and psychiatric hospitals and he has been given countless chances down the years, something that our street drunk would never ever receive ! His multiple drink driving offences don’t auger too well either ! The comments underneath his latest drunken video are split with support and no sympathy and I just happen to be in the latter camp !

    You can argue his alcoholism caused his death as if he hadn’t been an alcoholic then he wouldn’t have needed a liver transplant & then he wouldn’t have had the side effects of the drugs he was taking. That’s why I think he let the Sun take & publish the photo of him.
    I just think that it’s too easy to dismiss all alcoholics as people with no self-control – no doubt there are many where it has come about as a result of people just enjoying a drink a bit too much but for many it’s far more complicated than that
    What caused it in George Best I don’t know although there are some who argue there can be a genetic trait & his mother was an alcoholic. My dad also knew him quite well when he first came over from Belfast (the house he lodged at was in the same cul-de-sac) & he always used to say that he’d never met anyone as shy as him in his life & maybe the drink was his way of coping with being thrust in the limelight like he was
    As for Gazza – this probably doesn’t sound very PC but he always seemed a bit unbalanced to me. I remember seeing some interview of his after (I think) the Spurs v Arsenal cup semi at Wembley in 1991 where he was just babbling nonsense & making random grunts & stuff at the camera. Also saw a documentary on him once that claimed he was suffering from undiagnosed/untreated tourettes. Both of which (if correct) could lead to how he has ended up

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    I stand corrected re the actual cause of Best’s death but he was back on the sauce at the time and actually allowed one of the big newspapers to photograph him on his death bed with the message ” Don’t Die Like Me ! ” As for Gazza, his money has been used to have him admitted to many top class rehab clinics and psychiatric hospitals and he has been given countless chances down the years, something that our street drunk would never ever receive ! His multiple drink driving offences don’t auger too well either ! The comments underneath his latest drunken video are split with support and no sympathy and I just happen to be in the latter camp !

    You can argue his alcoholism caused his death as if he hadn’t been an alcoholic then he wouldn’t have needed a liver transplant & then he wouldn’t have had the side effects of the drugs he was taking. That’s why I think he let the Sun take & publish the photo of him.
    I just think that it’s too easy to dismiss all alcoholics as people with no self-control – no doubt there are many where it has come about as a result of people just enjoying a drink a bit too much but for many it’s far more complicated than that
    What caused it in George Best I don’t know although there are some who argue there can be a genetic trait & his mother was an alcoholic. My dad also knew him quite well when he first came over from Belfast (the house he lodged at was in the same cul-de-sac) & he always used to say that he’d never met anyone as shy as him in his life & maybe the drink was his way of coping with being thrust in the limelight like he was
    As for Gazza – this probably doesn’t sound very PC but he always seemed a bit unbalanced to me. I remember seeing some interview of his after (I think) the Spurs v Arsenal cup semi at Wembley in 1991 where he was just babbling nonsense & making random grunts & stuff at the camera. Also saw a documentary on him once that claimed he was suffering from undiagnosed/untreated tourettes. Both of which (if correct) could lead to how he has ended up[/quote]
    I’d disagree with you and say it is of course a lack of self-control.

    No matter what the reasoning or rationale used to explain why they starting drinking heavily in the first place, unless they are deliberately drinking themselves to death, their lack of voluntary or involuntary self-control is what prevents them from quitting.

    It’s exactly the same with smoking. I tried dozens of times to quit and failed, and it was only a bout of swine flu that finally did it for me. Not recommended by the way, but highly effective!

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    I stand corrected re the actual cause of Best’s death but he was back on the sauce at the time and actually allowed one of the big newspapers to photograph him on his death bed with the message ” Don’t Die Like Me ! ” As for Gazza, his money has been used to have him admitted to many top class rehab clinics and psychiatric hospitals and he has been given countless chances down the years, something that our street drunk would never ever receive ! His multiple drink driving offences don’t auger too well either ! The comments underneath his latest drunken video are split with support and no sympathy and I just happen to be in the latter camp !

    You can argue his alcoholism caused his death as if he hadn’t been an alcoholic then he wouldn’t have needed a liver transplant & then he wouldn’t have had the side effects of the drugs he was taking. That’s why I think he let the Sun take & publish the photo of him.
    I just think that it’s too easy to dismiss all alcoholics as people with no self-control – no doubt there are many where it has come about as a result of people just enjoying a drink a bit too much but for many it’s far more complicated than that
    What caused it in George Best I don’t know although there are some who argue there can be a genetic trait & his mother was an alcoholic. My dad also knew him quite well when he first came over from Belfast (the house he lodged at was in the same cul-de-sac) & he always used to say that he’d never met anyone as shy as him in his life & maybe the drink was his way of coping with being thrust in the limelight like he was
    As for Gazza – this probably doesn’t sound very PC but he always seemed a bit unbalanced to me. I remember seeing some interview of his after (I think) the Spurs v Arsenal cup semi at Wembley in 1991 where he was just babbling nonsense & making random grunts & stuff at the camera. Also saw a documentary on him once that claimed he was suffering from undiagnosed/untreated tourettes. Both of which (if correct) could lead to how he has ended up[/quote]
    I’d disagree with you and say it is of course a lack of self-control.

    No matter what the reasoning or rationale used to explain why they starting drinking heavily in the first place, unless they are deliberately drinking themselves to death, their lack of voluntary or involuntary self-control is what prevents them from quitting.

    It’s exactly the same with smoking. I tried dozens of times to quit and failed, and it was only a bout of swine flu that finally did it for me. Not recommended by the way, but highly effective![/quote]

    Swine flu! I came down with that and spent a few nights crashed on the couch, burning up and in a bad way, to be honest. At one point I was halleucinating and actually saw my nan stood in the doorway, she died in 2000…but I clearly saw her, I even spoke to her! Crazy.

    As for Gazza, he was my football hero when I was younger. If he had gone to United in 1988, and he was so close to doing so, his life and career would’ve been so different. I read in Sir Alex Ferguson’s autobiography that he spoke to Gazza and it was agreed he was going to United. Fergie was going on holiday and Gazza told him “I’m joining United Mr Ferguson. Go and enjoy your holiday.” So Sir Alex flew off and the day after he was sat by the pool and picked up a paper to read “Spurs sign Gazza”.

    Turns out Spurs had turned young Gazza’s head by buying his mum and dad a new house and car. Missing out on Gazza is something Sir Alex has always regretted.

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    I’d disagree with you and say it is of course a lack of self-control.

    No matter what the reasoning or rationale used to explain why they starting drinking heavily in the first place, unless they are deliberately drinking themselves to death, their lack of voluntary or involuntary self-control is what prevents them from quitting.

    It’s exactly the same with smoking. I tried dozens of times to quit and failed, and it was only a bout of swine flu that finally did it for me. Not recommended by the way, but highly effective!

    Yep, self-control was possibly the wrong phrase as you’re right that at some stage it does come into effect voluntarily or involuntarily – self-indulgence was probably a better one
    The point I was making was that it’s too easy to look at an alcoholic, think “pish head” & assume they’ve wound up in that situation coz they were self-indulgent & just didn’t know when to say they’d had enough. Also, if there are inner demons behind what has led them to try & blot it out then simply having loads of money isn’t by any means an answer

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    He is an addict and will die as a result of it. Whether you want to sound clever with the imunosuppressant story of george best the fact of the matter is it was alcohol what lead him to that and ultimately the same will happen to gazza.

    Hopefully sooner rather than later and i say that for his own sake – his life has been a circus for far too long now –

    He has tried rehab and unfortunately he doesnt have to will to stop drinking. unless he wants to stop this will kill him.

    He was a very good footballer but his life has been a bloody shambles to be honest.

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    He is an addict and will die as a result of it. Whether you want to sound clever with the imunosuppressant story of george best the fact of the matter is it was alcohol what lead him to that and ultimately the same will happen to gazza.

    Hopefully sooner rather than later and i say that for his own sake – his life has been a circus for far too long now –

    He has tried rehab and unfortunately he doesnt have to will to stop drinking. unless he wants to stop this will kill him.

    He was a very good footballer but his life has been a bloody shambles to be honest.

    It’s not about trying to sound clever, but a lot of people think George Best died because his transplanted liver packed in coz he started to drink again & that isn’t true. I also acknowledged that if he hadn’t been an alcohlic then he wouldn’t have needed a transplant in the first place
    And an alcoholic having the will to stop drinking is only the first step in attempting to get off it & isn’t the sole answer/cure

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    He is an addict and will die as a result of it. Whether you want to sound clever with the imunosuppressant story of george best the fact of the matter is it was alcohol what lead him to that and ultimately the same will happen to gazza.

    Hopefully sooner rather than later and i say that for his own sake – his life has been a circus for far too long now –

    He has tried rehab and unfortunately he doesnt have to will to stop drinking. unless he wants to stop this will kill him.

    He was a very good footballer but his life has been a bloody shambles to be honest.

    It’s not about trying to sound clever, but a lot of people think George Best died because his transplanted liver packed in coz he started to drink again & that isn’t true. I also acknowledged that if he hadn’t been an alcohlic then he wouldn’t have needed a transplant in the first place
    And an alcoholic having the will to stop drinking is only the first step in attempting to get off it & isn’t the sole answer/cure[/quote]

    I understand that it is only the first step. Thats kind of what i mean with respect to Gazza- he doesnt even want to stop drinking.

    If he cant get beyond wanting to give up he is always going to be readmitted and back in rehab. ultimately it will kill him.

    The guy has been branded an alcoholic all his life. Media perception made it funny initially, then a concern and now its serious. How he has been portrayed in the newspapers over his life has not helped matters. However im going off topic slightly. sympathy will follow from the media when in fact if this was taken seriously from the beginning maybe, just maybe this could have been prevented. either way Gazza unfortunately appears too far gone.

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