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You mean just like Kaka or Terry joined City? Or just like Andy Johnson joined us when we bettered Everton’s bid?
Bobbyswigan,
I also was there last night and will continue to go but you are missing the point.When whelan took over and we bought “quality” and came up through the leagues we were still unknown and money talks with players in lower divisions. Now we are in the prem and have been for a few years people know wigan and what we are all about as a club.
When we first got to the premier league we were still unknown and players coming to play for us were excited at the prospect of a new club with a romantic story of how they rose through the leagues and saw it as a chance to build something.
Fast forward four years and the crowds have dwindled since our first term, and players realise that the new club are just a team punching above there weight in the big league. Sad though it is, but it is a fact.
pskl,
It is not the fact that are crowds are small that does not atract players, it is the fact that are stadium has a capacity of 25000 or so and it isnt full each home game. If the stadium was 16000 seater and was full every game it would not be an issue. This is because it seems like the support is there and present but 9000 empty seats and 4000 away fans on tuesday evening doesn’t go towards attracting these “big signings” posters on here talk about.I am not having a go at our crowds, I think they are good for a town of our size. But the point is that we will never attarct the kind of players that dreamers on here think about, we have always done an excellent job of buying talent from abroad and bringing them on. When big clubs come in for these players they immediately want to leave for bigger and better things and that is just how it is.
When we build a team and need a few players to take it to the next level a bigger club comes in and takes away are best players because the players heads are turned, and the MANAGER in charge decides to sell them. Dave whelan is not the reason we sold palacios, cattermole, heskey, valencia, ellington?(sorry had to throw that one in), roberts, bullard, baines, to name but a few. The manager in charge at the time these players were sold realised that bigger clubs had turned there heads and they were no longer wanting to play for Wigan.
Whelan is not the greatest of chairmen but he is english, from wigan and has a few quid. I prefer to have him in charge rather than a foreign muppet who is just using us as a toy.
I love our club but as my original post says I think we as fans should get real.
nice post 81
I wonder what the wage bill is? Say 20 players earning on average 20,000 a week, thats 21 million gone already in a year!
I wonder what the wage bill is? Say 20 players earning on average 20,000 a week, thats 21 million gone already in a year!Don’t even go down this path! I tried to demonstrate how we are lucky to break even in a season and got railroaded!
I wonder what the wage bill is? Say 20 players earning on average 20,000 a week, thats 21 million gone already in a year!For arguments sake double what you have said take off another £13M for back room/ground staff etc and that would still leave £20M in the coffers.
I wonder what the wage bill is? Say 20 players earning on average 20,000 a week, thats 21 million gone already in a year!
For arguments sake double what you have said take off another £13M for back room/ground staff etc and that would still leave £20M in the coffers.[/quote]
Horc, you’re usually one of the good posters on here in my opinion, but you’ve fallen into their trap on this.It’s nowhere near £60 million that a club like Wigan earns in a season. We’ve had people on here saying the BBC have said it is, here’s the link etc, but they haven’t read or understood the piece properly – and to boot, it’s two years old.
We’re taking £30 to £40 million max from last season – and that’s information from PA Sport, who are the recognised authority in sports MI.
If you double the wage bill estimate by Bidstrup and add £13 million, you’d end up £13 million or so in the red, which after gate receipts and sponsorships, would bring you to break-even if you’re lucky. (I estimated the wage bill to be around £30 million as a nice round figure – as you need to take into account player bonuses which can be a frightening amount of money – that would bring you to break-even)
We have to sell to free up any money, a simple fact, and everytime I say it, I get slated: it’s not greed, it’s not lack of ambition, it is survival and stability. That’s what pissed Bruce off, as he knew he’d never keep a team together from season to season, and it’s why Whelan touts at every opportunity. As Bruce found out, if you want to buy big, you have to sell big.
Look at Portsmouth – £44 million in debt. If they received £60 million, plus gate receipts and sponsorship, and with the profits they made from selling half their squad, they’d be in a healthy position. They’re not. If this take-over involving Peter Storrie doesn’t go through, they’re going into administration in the very near future – and that is a fact. They’ve even resorted to offering contracts to people like Eugene Bopp – who was released from Crewe – just to cut their wage bill. Their new Arab potential-owner has pulled out as he’s seen the costs involved in running a football club.
Unless you are Real, Barca, Arsenal, or Man U, possibly Liverpool and Milan, nobody makes money. Ask Mike Ashley, ask Briatore at QPR, ask Dodi’s dad at Fulham, ask Gaydamak the ex-Pompey owner, or even ask Sir David Murray, the owner of Rangers – who have virtually a 50% share of anything financially viable in Scottish football, and who is a classic example of buying a club on messages from the heart, then a few years down the line realising you’ve made a very expensive mistake.
Now Setanta have gone tits up, payments this season are not going to take the Apollo Nine-like rise some people on here are quoting.
It aint rose gardens.
I wonder what the wage bill is? Say 20 players earning on average 20,000 a week, thats 21 million gone already in a year!
For arguments sake double what you have said take off another £13M for back room/ground staff etc and that would still leave £20M in the coffers.[/quote]
Horc, you’re usually one of the good posters on here in my opinion, but you’ve fallen into their trap on this.It’s nowhere near £60 million that a club like Wigan earns in a season. We’ve had people on here saying the BBC have said it is, here’s the link etc, but they haven’t read or understood the piece properly – and to boot, it’s two years old.
We’re taking £30 to £40 million max from last season – and that’s information from PA Sport, who are the recognised authority in sports MI.
If you double the wage bill estimate by Bidstrup and add £13 million, you’d end up £13 million or so in the red, which after gate receipts and sponsorships, would bring you to break-even if you’re lucky. (I estimated the wage bill to be around £30 million as a nice round figure – as you need to take into account player bonuses which can be a frightening amount of money – that would bring you to break-even)
We have to sell to free up any money, a simple fact, and everytime I say it, I get slated: it’s not greed, it’s not lack of ambition, it is survival and stability. That’s what yellow water Bruce off, as he knew he’d never keep a team together from season to season, and it’s why Whelan touts at every opportunity. As Bruce found out, if you want to buy big, you have to sell big.
Look at Portsmouth – £44 million in debt. If they received £60 million, plus gate receipts and sponsorship, and with the profits they made from selling half their squad, they’d be in a healthy position. They’re not. If this take-over involving Peter Storrie doesn’t go through, they’re going into administration in the very near future – and that is a fact. They’ve even resorted to offering contracts to people like Eugene Bopp – who was released from Crewe – just to cut their wage bill. Their new Arab potential-owner has pulled out as he’s seen the costs involved in running a football club.
Unless you are Real, Barca, Arsenal, or Man U, possibly Liverpool and Milan, nobody makes money. Ask Mike Ashley, ask Briatore at QPR, ask Dodi’s dad at Fulham, ask Gaydamak the ex-Pompey owner, or even ask Sir David Murray, the owner of Rangers – who have virtually a 50% share of anything financially viable in Scottish football, and who is a classic example of buying a club on messages from the heart, then a few years down the line realising you’ve made a very expensive mistake.
Now Setanta have gone tits up, payments this season are not going to take the Apollo Nine-like rise some people on here are quoting.
It aint rose gardens.[/quote]
Below is a copy of what I originally posted in reaction to a post that said we don’t get £60M we are not too far off with our estimations and understanding of the situation.
’We were mid table, so we were one of the better mediocre clubs so we probably got £36-38m.
Add that to the £25m in transfer fees we have recieved in the last few months.
Add all gate receipts, hospitality, advertising, sponsorship and not forgetting Egg rent, and the total must be approaching £75M
Even with a ludicrous wage bill,we must now be at least breaking even after the odd transfer or two.’
We are a selling club and always will be, to an extent I quite like getting these bargains and selling them on for massive profits, especially when they are duffers like LAV.
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