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Maybe I should ask him if he realises that even with a record low points score in this league he still managed to clock up more points than Sunderland did in two whole seasons, so things could have been a lot worse.
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Maybe I should ask him if he realises that even with a record low points score in this league he still managed to clock up more points than Sunderland did in two whole seasons, so things could have been a lot worse.:oops: :lol: :o :oops: :lol: :shock:
Game ,set and match Jay T :D :lol:
I’ve sent in 6 or 7 questions, one of which basically questions the wisdom of signing Marcelo Moreno, considering he has not scored, and really hasn’t looked like doing. Whilst trying not to be patronizing or condescending, I have said that if it was me that was making the decision, I would probably be looking elsewhere, and probably more towards a fast and tricky type of striker, probably along the lines of Henri Camara, when he was at his best. (Minus the attitude)
It’s a worrying thought that if we do sell N’Zogbia, we will be losing our last bit of attacking ‘skill’, I.E. the ability to run at a man and beat them. That’s why I think we need someone like that upfront, rather than a tall, target-man type of player. With our style of play, do we need a big target man? I don’t think so. Of course, we have to find that type of player first.But for me, no, Moreno wouldn’t be an option. Fair enough if he’d banged a few goals in, but he hasn’t. And they are talking about 6 million. No way. Never in the memory of man, is he worth that. I’d be hard pressed paying 3 million, to be honest.
Why do we always sign strikers who do not score goals? “Ah, but he offers us much more”. That is nonsense. A striker is there to score goals. Fact. If not, then it must be different game than it used to be. And it isn’t.
I’ve sent in 6 or 7 questions, one of which basically questions the wisdom of signing Marcelo Moreno, considering he has not scored, and really hasn’t looked like doing. Whilst trying not to be patronizing or condescending, I have said that if it was me that was making the decision, I would probably be looking elsewhere, and probably more towards a fast and tricky type of striker, probably along the lines of Henri Camara, when he was at his best. (Minus the attitude)
It’s a worrying thought that if we do sell N’Zogbia, we will be losing our last bit of attacking ‘skill’, I.E. the ability to run at a man and beat them. That’s why I think we need someone like that upfront, rather than a tall, target-man type of player. With our style of play, do we need a big target man? I don’t think so. Of course, we have to find that type of player first.But for me, no, Moreno wouldn’t be an option. Fair enough if he’d banged a few goals in, but he hasn’t. And they are talking about 6 million. No way. Never in the memory of man, is he worth that. I’d be hard pressed paying 3 million, to be honest.
Why do we always sign strikers who do not score goals? “Ah, but he offers us much more”. That is nonsense. A striker is there to score goals. Fact. If not, then it must be different game than it used to be. And it isn’t.
Are your questions the same length as the posts you write on here
Jay t as only got an hour monI’ve sent in 6 or 7 questions, one of which basically questions the wisdom of signing Marcelo Moreno, considering he has not scored, and really hasn’t looked like doing. Whilst trying not to be patronizing or condescending, I have said that if it was me that was making the decision, I would probably be looking elsewhere, and probably more towards a fast and tricky type of striker, probably along the lines of Henri Camara, when he was at his best. (Minus the attitude)
It’s a worrying thought that if we do sell N’Zogbia, we will be losing our last bit of attacking ‘skill’, I.E. the ability to run at a man and beat them. That’s why I think we need someone like that upfront, rather than a tall, target-man type of player. With our style of play, do we need a big target man? I don’t think so. Of course, we have to find that type of player first.But for me, no, Moreno wouldn’t be an option. Fair enough if he’d banged a few goals in, but he hasn’t. And they are talking about 6 million. No way. Never in the memory of man, is he worth that. I’d be hard pressed paying 3 million, to be honest.
Why do we always sign strikers who do not score goals? “Ah, but he offers us much more”. That is nonsense. A striker is there to score goals. Fact. If not, then it must be different game than it used to be. And it isn’t.
Are your questions the same length as the posts you write on here
Jay t as only got an hour mon[/quote]If you can’t post something sensible, why bother? It’s pr**ks like you who are ruining this board, and the reason I don’t bother much.
That short enough for you?
Yes ………..whimper
I’ve sent in 6 or 7 questions, one of which basically questions the wisdom of signing Marcelo Moreno, considering he has not scored, and really hasn’t looked like doing. Whilst trying not to be patronizing or condescending, I have said that if it was me that was making the decision, I would probably be looking elsewhere, and probably more towards a fast and tricky type of striker, probably along the lines of Henri Camara, when he was at his best. (Minus the attitude)
It’s a worrying thought that if we do sell N’Zogbia, we will be losing our last bit of attacking ‘skill’, I.E. the ability to run at a man and beat them. That’s why I think we need someone like that upfront, rather than a tall, target-man type of player. With our style of play, do we need a big target man? I don’t think so. Of course, we have to find that type of player first.But for me, no, Moreno wouldn’t be an option. Fair enough if he’d banged a few goals in, but he hasn’t. And they are talking about 6 million. No way. Never in the memory of man, is he worth that. I’d be hard pressed paying 3 million, to be honest.
Why do we always sign strikers who do not score goals? “Ah, but he offers us much more”. That is nonsense. A striker is there to score goals. Fact. If not, then it must be different game than it used to be. And it isn’t.
Emile Heskey has never been a big goalscorer yet he has had a very succesful career with how many England caps? He was a hero at Wigan, led the line for Liverpool for however many seasons and even at 31 (ish) is playing for a top 6 side in the premier league (not week in week out but that’s not the point).
Moreno is only 22 years old, he’s been at our club for 3 months and has been in and out of the side. If Roberto signs him in the summer it’s because he believes he is the right type of player for our team and I trust his judgement more than I trust yours!
I personally don’t think we will sign Moreno.
When the January window came around we had to sign a striker urgently. Scotland was struggling to score and Abu Hamza had been locked up.
However it’s always difficult to pick up good quality players in the January window. Any decent side going for honours won’t sell , so we have to look at clubs with financial difficulties ( hence Moses ) or players out of favour with their present club ( hence Moreno ).
Even in January I think he was the third choice signing and I don’t think he’s done enough , despite a few odd glimpses , to warrant a huge signing.
I think if you actually read anything that was said at the beginning of the season or from November, Roberto never mentioned ‘improving on last season’s final position’.So, when he said
“The club has done incredibly well over the past five years, firstly getting into the Premier League and staying there, last year not only staying there but pushing higher up the table, I want to carry on the good work Steve Bruce did here.”
or
“So much has changed at the club and there have been fantastic improvements both on and off the pitch, I am really looking forward to working again with the Chairman and everyone at the club and I am sure we can build on what has already been achieved”
in July 2009, he didnt mean “improve on last season’s 45 points and 11th place in 2010”.
http://www.wiganlatics.co.uk/page/NewsD … 428,00.htm
Maybe I should ask him if he realises that even with a record low points score in this league he still managed to clock up more points than Sunderland did in two whole seasons, so things could have been a lot worse.You could ask him that, or you could ask him a question that is relevent. I would suggest that 35pts and 16th place in 2010 vs 45pts and 11th place in 2009 represents a failure, and with that in mind, will a 13th place finish with 40pts in 2011 represent a success?
I’ve sent in 6 or 7 questions, one of which basically questions the wisdom of signing Marcelo Moreno, considering he has not scored, and really hasn’t looked like doing. Whilst trying not to be patronizing or condescending, I have said that if it was me that was making the decision, I would probably be looking elsewhere, and probably more towards a fast and tricky type of striker, probably along the lines of Henri Camara, when he was at his best. (Minus the attitude)
It’s a worrying thought that if we do sell N’Zogbia, we will be losing our last bit of attacking ‘skill’, I.E. the ability to run at a man and beat them. That’s why I think we need someone like that upfront, rather than a tall, target-man type of player. With our style of play, do we need a big target man? I don’t think so. Of course, we have to find that type of player first.But for me, no, Moreno wouldn’t be an option. Fair enough if he’d banged a few goals in, but he hasn’t. And they are talking about 6 million. No way. Never in the memory of man, is he worth that. I’d be hard pressed paying 3 million, to be honest.
Why do we always sign strikers who do not score goals? “Ah, but he offers us much more”. That is nonsense. A striker is there to score goals. Fact. If not, then it must be different game than it used to be. And it isn’t.
Emile Heskey has never been a big goalscorer yet he has had a very succesful career with how many England caps? He was a hero at Wigan, led the line for Liverpool for however many seasons and even at 31 (ish) is playing for a top 6 side in the premier league (not week in week out but that’s not the point).
Moreno is only 22 years old, he’s been at our club for 3 months and has been in and out of the side. If Roberto signs him in the summer it’s because he believes he is the right type of player for our team and I trust his judgement more than I trust yours![/quote]
Jesus, am I not allowed an opinion? My opinion is that Moreno is NOT the right player for us, and if we waste the reported fee of 6 million on him, I will despair. He is no better than Mido was. And don’t give me the “He’s young” spiel. Hogwash! We said that for years about Neil Roberts. In fact, I’d sooner HAVE Neil Roberts, than this Moreno.
“Heskey led the line at Liverpool….” yeah, with Michael Owen on fire alongside him. Bit different to when he was with us. In fact, his best eprformance for us, was when he filled in at centre half at Bramhall lane.
I don’t care what you say, and how witty you will be to deny it, a striker is judged on how many goals they score. That is their job. In no way, has Moreno looked like being anything like the answer to our problems. If we don’t improve our goalscoring, we won’t improve as a team.
You could ask him that, or you could ask him a question that is relevent. I would suggest that 35pts and 16th place in 2010 vs 45pts and 11th place in 2009 represents a failure, and with that in mind, will a 13th place finish with 40pts in 2011 represent a success?So when United finish 2nd, SAF will be sacked for not improving on last year’s position?
I think if you actually read anything that was said at the beginning of the season or from November, Roberto never mentioned ‘improving on last season’s final position’.
So, when he said
“The club has done incredibly well over the past five years, firstly getting into the Premier League and staying there, last year not only staying there but pushing higher up the table, I want to carry on the good work Steve Bruce did here.”
or
“So much has changed at the club and there have been fantastic improvements both on and off the pitch, I am really looking forward to working again with the Chairman and everyone at the club and I am sure we can build on what has already been achieved”
in July 2009, he didnt mean “improve on last season’s 45 points and 11th place in 2010”.
http://www.wiganlatics.co.uk/page/NewsD … 428,00.htm
Maybe I should ask him if he realises that even with a record low points score in this league he still managed to clock up more points than Sunderland did in two whole seasons, so things could have been a lot worse.You could ask him that, or you could ask him a question that is relevent. I would suggest that 35pts and 16th place in 2010 vs 45pts and 11th place in 2009 represents a failure, and with that in mind, will a 13th place finish with 40pts in 2011 represent a success?[/quote]
As I said, he never once said that he would be ‘improving on last season’s final position’ – he said would like to carry on the good work done. We have stayed in the league, which was his first target and now he wants to start on the next part of his plan which is to try for a mid/top half position.
Staying in the league was the target – we acheived that and so it certainly isn’t a failure is it.
Now starting the season gloating that we would be top half/Europe contenders, and only getting 17 or 19 points in an entire season, that isn’t what I call success, plus it certainly doesn’t give me the right to go on to a team’s sites that I don’t support and call the shots.
I think I would prefer to ask him my question.
FA Cup Winners 2013, sounds good that
And another one for Jay T :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I think if you actually read anything that was said at the beginning of the season or from November, Roberto never mentioned ‘improving on last season’s final position’.
So, when he said
“The club has done incredibly well over the past five years, firstly getting into the Premier League and staying there, last year not only staying there but pushing higher up the table, I want to carry on the good work Steve Bruce did here.”
or
“So much has changed at the club and there have been fantastic improvements both on and off the pitch, I am really looking forward to working again with the Chairman and everyone at the club and I am sure we can build on what has already been achieved”
in July 2009, he didnt mean “improve on last season’s 45 points and 11th place in 2010”.
http://www.wiganlatics.co.uk/page/NewsD … 428,00.htm
Maybe I should ask him if he realises that even with a record low points score in this league he still managed to clock up more points than Sunderland did in two whole seasons, so things could have been a lot worse.You could ask him that, or you could ask him a question that is relevent. I would suggest that 35pts and 16th place in 2010 vs 45pts and 11th place in 2009 represents a failure, and with that in mind, will a 13th place finish with 40pts in 2011 represent a success?[/quote]
As I said, he never once said that he would be ‘improving on last season’s final position’ – he said would like to carry on the good work done. We have stayed in the league, which was his first target and now he wants to start on the next part of his plan which is to try for a mid/top half position.
Staying in the league was the target – we acheived that and so it certainly isn’t a failure is it.
Now starting the season gloating that we would be top half/Europe contenders, and only getting 17 or 19 points in an entire season, that isn’t what I call success, plus it certainly doesn’t give me the right to go on to a team’s sites that I don’t support and call the shots.
I think I would prefer to ask him my question.[/quote]
bleedin eck Jayt, i’ll start sweeping up the blood and guts before it gets too messy.
From Matlock to ManU
What a journey!I didn’t get an answer to my question, I think he is still rolling about laughing. If he stops before our next meeting I’ll let you know the answer…. :lol:
Which is funnier:
[link2:316sk8o6]This one,http://www.footballstatisticsresults.co.uk/2005_premier_league.html%5B/link2:316sk8o6%5D
[link2:316sk8o6]Or this,http://www.footballstatisticsresults.co.uk/2002_premier_league_table.html%5B/link2:316sk8o6%5D
FA Cup Winners 2013, sounds good that
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