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Agree with every word griff, spot on! I think regards the transfers of our good players, some of our fans need to realise that a) most players we buy are going to use us as a stepping stone and b) we have no choice but to make a healthy profit of them. If a player doesn’t want to wear the shirt anymore let them go simple as that.
If a player wants to go AND we get a good price then yes he should be sold. However, I think on general principle we should tell Bruce that he wont be getting any more of our players. If Maynor does indeed want to leave then fair enough, he just wont be going to Sunderland.
I’ll pick up on just 3 points, Para, because it’s obvious we will never agree:-
1, the £3m to £35 is a direct quote from Whelan’s non-picture book. Also, I believe, it is backed up in the club accounts (though I have never read them)
2, if you think that Saha and Owen would have come to Wigan, rather than Everton and Man U, you’re totally deluded, no matter what wages we might have offered. Why do you think we are scouring central America for people no-one has ever heard of?
3, he has NOT promised £40m every season, and it’s about time that people stopped perpetuating this myth. And in any case, Man U and Liverpool don’tcan’t spend that much.
to paraprick so 53mill debt is good for uncle daves bank balance
dont think so,do you still not go to the gamesHe runs it in debt so there is less tax, btw were did you get this 53mil debt from, plucked it from thin air? No doubt he does run the club books in debt for the aforementioned reasons.
I’ll pick up on just 3 points, Para, because it’s obvious we will never agree:-1, the £3m to £35 is a direct quote from Whelan’s non-picture book. Also, I believe, it is backed up in the club accounts (though I have never read them)
Why not just put your hands up and say you wrong, instead of not even quoting a 1/5 of what I’ve put, because I’m right, that’s why.
Do you believe everything you read in books? Especially for Whelan, he’s well know for just saying what he want’s people to hear and not the truth. (Good example recently, Marlon King, not wanting convicts, but yet has Rachid Bouaouzan at the club, sent down? Yes? No? It’s all a show for the media, another example is foreign managers, O hi Martinez, didn’t realise you were English. :roll: )
2, if you think that Saha and Owen would have come to Wigan, rather than Everton and Man U, you’re totally deluded, no matter what wages we might have offered. Why do you think we are scouring central America for people no-one has ever heard of?Of course they would. 80%+ of players would go ANYWHERE for the cash. Gareth Barry, Toure, Adabayor, Robinho? Yeh they went to Manchester City for other reasons obviously. :roll: We are scouting central America for bargains because Whelan’s such a tight arse with his purse strings.
3, he has NOT promised £40m every season, and it’s about time that people stopped perpetuating this myth. And in any case, Man U and Liverpool don’tcan’t spend that much.Were did I say he’d promised £40million every season? That’s right, I didn’t. Manchester United don’t need to spend lots of money, they’ve both done it in the past to get their squads up to high levels. Look at Chelsea, big cash influx, bought loads of new players, this season, Zhirkov? Hardly anything compared to a few seasons ago, because now they only need fine tunning to compete for the league. United have hardly spent any of the cash from Ronaldo because still they are competing at the top. Benitez was complaining to his board because he doesn’t have the squad depth to compete with Chelsea, United.
Here you go Stephen Fry, have a read of these.
They’ve all been posted a dozen times apiece, but give you an insight into where the money goes within a football club. (Sorry for everyone that has already read these several times, but this is the only alternative to using a laser pen to scribe factual information on the inside eyelids of this site’s finest selection of knuckle draggers.)
Incidentally, I found your comment regarding ‘function hire’ being a major contributor to Wigan Athletic’s annual income to be pure genius. 20k each week on function room hire for all but two weeks of the year would break a million. If the club expanded this to the training ground, I’m sure we’d be well on track to buy Messi next May.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009 … eague-debt
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/Pr … 5323882.jp
And then, swap the words Blackburn Rovers for Wigan Athletic, and imagine the Blackburn Chairman didn’t didn’t have moustache and his name was Dave:
to paraprick so 53mill debt is good for uncle daves bank balance
dont think so,do you still not go to the gamesHe runs it in debt so there is less tax, btw were did you get this 53mil debt from, plucked it from thin air? No doubt he does run the club books in debt for the aforementioned reasons.
I’ll pick up on just 3 points, Para, because it’s obvious we will never agree:-1, the £3m to £35 is a direct quote from Whelan’s non-picture book. Also, I believe, it is backed up in the club accounts (though I have never read them)
Why not just put your hands up and say you wrong, instead of not even quoting a 1/5 of what I’ve put, because I’m right, that’s why.
Do you believe everything you read in books? Especially for Whelan, he’s well know for just saying what he want’s people to hear and not the truth. (Good example recently, Marlon King, not wanting convicts, but yet has Rachid Bouaouzan at the club, sent down? Yes? No? It’s all a show for the media, another example is foreign managers, O hi Martinez, didn’t realise you were English. :roll: )
2, if you think that Saha and Owen would have come to Wigan, rather than Everton and Man U, you’re totally deluded, no matter what wages we might have offered. Why do you think we are scouring central America for people no-one has ever heard of?Of course they would. 80%+ of players would go ANYWHERE for the cash. Gareth Barry, Toure, Adabayor, Robinho? Yeh they went to Manchester City for other reasons obviously. :roll: We are scouting central America for bargains because Whelan’s such a tight Kaiber with his purse strings.
3, he has NOT promised £40m every season, and it’s about time that people stopped perpetuating this myth. And in any case, Man U and Liverpool don’tcan’t spend that much.Were did I say he’d promised £40million every season? That’s right, I didn’t. Manchester United don’t need to spend lots of money, they’ve both done it in the past to get their squads up to high levels. Look at Chelsea, big cash influx, bought loads of new players, this season, Zhirkov? Hardly anything compared to a few seasons ago, because now they only need fine tunning to compete for the league. United have hardly spent any of the cash from Ronaldo because still they are competing at the top. Benitez was complaining to his board because he doesn’t have the squad depth to compete with Chelsea, United.[/quote]
After that extensive research you do indeed talk out of your trumper and how much on’t bus to Stoke ?
Here you go Stephen Fry, have a read of these.They’ve all been posted a dozen times apiece, but give you an insight into where the money goes within a football club. (Sorry for everyone that has already read these several times)
Dozen Times? Show me these dozen time please. Sorry to everyone who have read these several times? So that’s nobody then.
Incidentally, I found your comment regarding ‘function hire’ being a major contributor to Wigan Athletic’s annual income to be pure genius. 20k each week on function room hire for all but two weeks of the year would break a million. If the club expanded this to the training ground, I’m sure we’d be well on track to buy Messi next May.Where did i say it was a major conributor to Latics income? Please show me! I just said it WAS a way of income, I missed several off like sponsorship of various different things and considering Christmas time functions cost up to 50£ for one night, thats 17500£ in and what couple of 2k out in wages and overheads?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009 … eague-debthttp://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/Pr … 5323882.jp
And then, swap the words Blackburn Rovers for Wigan Athletic, and imagine the Blackburn Chairman didn’t didn’t have moustache and his name was Dave:
As said before of course he runs the club in debt, so he isn’t taxed to the high heavens from the bastard government. Where the hell are these figures coming from? Wigan Athletic only turn over 43mil a year? You’re having a laugh. The wages in 2007 38mil up from 27mil in 2006 and Whelan said the wages were 35mil the year we got into the prem. So the year before was 35mil. So it fell after the first season then rose the next? Somebody is telly porkys I think. ;)
Blinding copying and pasting links does you no favours.
Do you want me to post links to each time these articles have been posted? I don’t think I’ll bother doing that, so if you have the time or inclination, have a trawl over posts submitted just after the sale of Cattermole and you’ll find them. They were read by a lot of people, but you were obviously not one of them.
Yes, I have copied and pasted the links, not blindly, as two of them were originally posted on here by me, but they were posted to reinforce the argument against people like you.
If you do not consider ‘function hire’ to be a major revenue stream for the club, why have you included it alongside gate receipts, transfers etc but before sponsorship, and why have you tried to justify it by mentioning the massive income the club will receive from the £50 a head Christmas parties? (You do know there is only one Christmas each year don’t you?) Of course all this money from the Christmas parties is pure profit, as the £2000 would easily cover the cost of electricity, heating, staffing, catering, licensing, and hire of the DJ/band/dancing poodles for the night.
But yes, I bow to your greater judgement, as the Guardian is clearly incorrect, and it must be falsified information that was provided to Companies House. Clearly a man who struggles to use the correct variation of were/where and your/you’re should obviously be recognised as the authority on the financial aspects of running a football club.
I really do hope you are a wind-up merchant.
Para, re your post at 11:42 last night, 2/11 (that’s the time on my screen, anyway):
I picked on 3 points only because I was on my way to bed and don’t feel the need to answer every single one of your re-iterated points, and I see now that other posters have shed some more light on some of them anyway. No point continuously going over old ground now, is there?
Why must I be wrong, just because I don’t agree with you? And more to the point, why would I have to admit to you that I am wrong. And why do you get so aggressive in your arguments? You remind me of that short-bloke character Harry Enfield used to do. Are you short, compensating for something maybe?
Anyway, I digress.
No, I don’t believe everything I read in books. I have already stated that there are many things that Whelan does that wind me up; his hypocrisy over King is one such example (though I have said elsewhere that I agree with him – there are degrees of offence in my book and King’s latest custodial sentence is worth taking a stand on. It also saves him £2.7m, granted :) ) and the u-turn on the foreign manager stance has also proved to be a lie, that is plain to see for everyone. But I’ll show my backside in Poole’s Pies window if you can show me a successful multi-millionaire businessman that hasn’t told the odd fib or made the odd u-turn. I personally put up with all these traits because our football club is more secure – pound for pound – than many, many others because of the way that Whelan has run it.
So what’s your point about Saha and Owen? If Whelan wanted to sign big name players like this it makes no odds what he would offer – they wouldn’t come anyway. The only ‘big’ name this seems to have worked with is Heskey. But, for what it’s worth, I actually think that this club did well to attract the likes of Kirkland and Melchiot. WAFC doesn’t buy Central American players because Whelan’s tight, it’s because they see an opportunity to play in the premier league that a more established club is not prepared to offer and will accept relatively low wages to have that opportunity. I view that as a good thing for our club, a win-win if you like. You see it purely as a way to make more money for Whelan by selling these players a year later. All about opinions, isn’t it? There’s no right and wrong.
Finally you asked, “Were did I say he’d promised £40million every season? That’s right, I didn’t.”. At 10.03 last night you asked “Where is this 20mil Warchest he’s promised season upon season”. I suppose you’ll now split hairs and counter that you said £20m not £40m but we both know that you have accused Whelan of promising this warchest (whether it be £20m or £40m) season upon season when the reality is he hasn’t.
Personally, I am happy with the way our club is being run both on and off the pitch. You don’t have to agree with that.
Have a nice day – I am off to Weightwatchers now, and then going out to buy a new lap top so that I can spout drivel even faster than I do now.
Im with Griff on this Para. You spout some valid points but some drivel aswell.
For instance in the first season we signed:
Pollitt
De zeuww who would be on high wages
Henchoz who would be on high wages
Chimbonda who during the season signed a high contract
Scharner
TaylorKav or was he the year before?
Skoko
Thompson who would be on high wages
Ziegler who would be on high wages
Francis who would be on high wagesCamara on 35k a week
Connolly
Melloroff the top of my head plus we would of had clauses written in of promotion increases to the already established players, and we would of had to sign players that performed to new contracts.
Personally i dont want to see this club go the way of Portsmouth with unsustainable debts so if that means us losing Figgy for 6mil plus and signing a left back, maybe even taking baines on loan to the end of the season seeing as everton have got neill now?
On the point of stadium ownership does anyone know whether its been signed over yet?
As for King none of the papers knew the extent of his criminal past until it was mentioned in court! The place went crazy when they read out his previous convictions. The only thing people knew was the car situation. Maybe we should be checking every player before we sign them but this isnt like a normal job you dont fill in a aplication form or declare your convictions! Kings just a sly piece of work.
The main problem as and always will be the wages ,Season ending 2008 the wage bill was thirty eight million any sensible person would look at that and think with crowds averaging 19000 and paying the lowest prices for premier league footballit can’t carry on .
There you have a problem do you raise the price of season tickets to cover the shortfall or do you sell a couple of players to make the shortfall .
Whelen went for the latter and doing so as wiped a fair chunk of debt of the club books to suggest that he his lineing his pockets is just utter bunkum
No way Stu i never knew you were parakeet… and by the way you chat some absolute nonsense mateStu? Wrong again.
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