- This topic has 13 replies, 11 voices, and was last updated 14 years, 5 months ago by
.
-
Posts
-
All,
I have often heard the term ‘JCL’ mentioned on the board, usually as a derogratory term to indicate that a person is some kind of ‘glory hunter’, only after the glory of supporting a team in the Premiership.
This has lead me to question whether I myself may be a JCL, as I only started watching/following Latics since we moved to the JJB.
Does this make me a JCL? How long would somebody have had to follow the tics for you, as a fellow fan, to deem them not a JCL?
Just wondering.
I always thought it meant ‘Junior Cockney Latic’, a tag that would be lost after 50 meaningful posts :P :D 8-) ;)
FA Cup Winners 2013, sounds good that
You could use ” Newcomer” as a synonym for a ” Johnny Come Lately ” JLC. So nothing derogatory there and further answering your question, if you have been coming on since we moved then you do not fall into the aforementioned category !
I think it depends on a few things, such as age, and when you actually started following Latics.
I think it works something like this:
A JCL: Someone who is 35 and started supporting
(going to matches) from 2005 onwards.
Or Someone who openly followed another club (in the pub) and
then suddenly claimed to be a Latics fan from 2005 onwards.
Similar for anybody older than 24/25 who only started following
Latics in 2003.NOT A JCL: Those who have supported from Non-League.
Those who witnessed the climb up the leagues.
Those who have supported from childhood.
Any kids who go to Latics now. (They are just very lucky)I think it works something like that.
Don’t think it matters when and how as much as you just do…as we have progressed up through the pyramid I have gone more and more. Used to go in the non-league days but would pick and choose which to attend…does that make me any less than somebody who hasn’t missed a game since 1949…don’t know and frankly don’t care. Hopefully we can attract another 10000 JCL’s and sooner the better.
You could use ” Newcomer” as a synonym for a ” Johnny Come Lately ” JLC. So nothing derogatory there and further answering your question, if you have been coming on since we moved then you do not fall into the aforementioned category !This last bit is simply not true. That first season we moved to the JJB our crowds doubled from 3500 to 7000 and i was amazed at those first few games as it was full of people who used to openly take the p1ss out of me for being a Latics fan. rugby fans who used to sneer down their noses at Latics and people I’d gone to school with in the 70’s and 80’s who never had any interest in Latics even though Gidlow Middle was only a few hundred yards away.
There’s loads of kids now probably anyone up to the age of 25 who were simply too young to have bothered with Springfield, they probably wouldn’t have either if Whelan hadn’t have come along and moved us to the new ground so moving has been a positive thing in that we attract the young uns more easier. Good on em, as vat says not jcls, every kid now should grow up loving their local club although its not easy with sky etc
JCLs are the middle aged fellas who never went to Springfield Park, supported another team or the ones who claim to go when we were in non league even though our league crowds were under 1500 in the 70s abnd again in the 90s. Using those crowds as a base when we were really shit 90% of our fans are jcl’s and have never seen us get beat at Barnet when 92nd in the league or relegated against Plymouth. Youd never get 9% of our fans to admit they werent there though let alone 90. Wiganers are just fickle as anything, that last season before we got into the league, we’d get 1200 for a league game against Stafford Rangers and then 15000 against Sheffield Wednesday in the cup. If we’re honest, Theres not many out there who really did stick with the club through all the lean years despite the many thousands who now claim they did
I agree with you, ScholesControl.
Not having a go at anybody, but to believe most folk, we must have had 12,000+ crowds in the 80’s and 90’s. I remember our 1996-97 Third Division Championship season. Crowds averaged 3000 and odd until the last game V Mansfield, when 6,000 or so turned up. Same thing happened in our promotion season, when suddenly 19,000 turned up for that Reading game. (Would have been more but for Council putting a limit on the capacity).
The amount of requests for tickets going about that week was a joke. People who hadn’t given a toss, previously.You mention that Plymouth game in 1993. I think we lost 3-1, I might be wrong. Wasn’t Shilton their manager/goalie? I think Steve Morgan who later came to us, played for them. (did he score?) I’d gone to the West Brom game away, before that, when we got stuffed 5-1. We took about 150 fans to that one. Bad days them. Felt sorry for Dave Philpotts. Was made a scapegoat of Hamilton and Kenyon’s bad, bad, management.
The Swain days were even worse, though…… :o
I’ll be honest, when I talk to some blokes who sit near me, who are older than me, I do actually wonder “Was you here when we were rubbish?” I’m sure some of them were. But I bet a good few weren’t.
Average attendances for every year since we joined the football league – HERE
FA Cup Winners 2013, sounds good that
NOT A JCL: Those who have supported from Non-League.
Those who witnessed the climb up the leagues.
Those who have supported from childhood.
Any kids who go to Latics now. (They are just very lucky)I think it works something like that.[/quote]
good post vat, although i would say the kids that go now are unlucky as they never saw their teem rise through the leagues like me and many other lucky latics fans, i would say i am also a bit unlucky because only being 23 i never got to see the best non league teem ever and the stories my dad tells me about them days make me think i wish i was there, i wish i could say that i have watched my teem in the Lancashire combination and the NPL and have seen them top the premier league. I can remember as far back as the grahamme Barrow days, i was going a bit before that but can’t remember it. Its a shame for the kids as they will probably endure seeing us slide back down the leagues at some point, hopefully not for a long time. It’s like I know i’m a propper fan and as dedicated as the rest on here but i envy those that were there at Matlock town and stafford Rangers. If it wernt for those that braved them days whelan might never of even had chance to “save us”.
I have no problem with when someone started watching Latics – whether it was in the 1930s, in NPL days, when we got into the League, promoted to the Premier League or last week.
The acid test will be one for looking at in retrospect – when things got rocky (as they will at some stage) did they “keep the faith”? If they did – then they are a “not JCL”. If they wilted and went back to armchair watching, supporting Manyoo, or th’Warriors – then they were a JCL.
one of my neighbours is a scouser that cannot get tickets for liverpool games and says he will be attending wigan games in the future as the prices are better value than anfield does this make him a jcs (johnny come shortly) :lol: :lol: :lol:
What term describes them lot that say its shiote now and wont go again till we have been relegated at least twice?
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
