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After today’s latest and worst yet debacle, it was inevitable.
Question tonight for me is who pulled the trigger? Who is actually in charge?
I’ll throw a name in the hat tonight. Sometimes our ex players as managers turn out well (Jewell, Martinez, Caldwell?, Cook) sometimes not (Maloney, Caldwell?), is Graeme Jones interested in stepping up?
No way will he leave Newcastle to come here. I don’t blame him either.
I dont want any club linked people. We’ve exhausted that stock. Of anyone whos any good, anyway.
No to Duncan Ferguson. My Everton mate says he’s not cut out for management. No to LeightonBaines either. No experience.
It may be a case of an appointment to the end of the season to see us to safety.vefore we make a permanent appointment. Steve Bruce? And then maybe see if he fancies the role of Director Of Football.
Mick McCarthy? I like him. Very honest. Id have Neil Warnock, but would he come? Not sure. An outside of the box name I will throw in is Damien Duff. Highly rated, did well at Shelbourne and in Ireland set up. Not sure what managers in Scotland are like. And have to remember we are League One and could possibly be League 2…hopefully not.
Id like some ambition from the owners….
To label Maloney as bad is embarrassing. I’ll stand by the fact he should never have been sacked. What he had to manage us through was unbelievable and the players he saw leave was unreal. Wouldn’t be in this mess if he’d been given longer. Third best defensive record in the division in his full season
Ok then, on Tuesday when Reading visit, take their manager into the war chest room (if it’s been found?) and make him an offer he can’t refuse.
Just don’t lower the goal posts. LR has kept us up in much worse circumstances.
Liam did a better job than SM.
Has Jamie Carragher got coaching qualifications ? He must have seen as much of the Latics as any other potential Manager; and must have an idea how to re-shape our current squad.
Maloney & Lowe stuck with a system and style which was similar to dragging your nails down a blackboard. I fell asleep at Maloney’s 47 passes to move 47 inches and incredibley painfull watch.
But for me there’s more to it than meets the eye with us. I always say there’s 4 parts to any successful club:-’
1) The owner backing the manager
2) The manager and coaching staff
3) The recruitment
4) The players
For us to to have any kind of success all 4 parts have sing from the same hymn book, right now we’ve lost our voice nevermind sing.
1) The owner backing the manager:-
Danson made it clear from day one that there won’t be any splashing of the cash, he wants us to be “Self sufficient” relying more on home grown talent.
I think most fans would agree with that based on previous owners track record and their failures, this is no doubt the correct way forward for us.
Since Danson took over the club cutbacks have been drastic to say the least with very little spent on the squad.
He took over a club on its knees which were are very grateful for but 3 years on and with little investment on the field we’ve made zero progress.
Every week there’s jobs on offer at the club whether it’s groundsmen physio you name it which to me is a sign to me there’s bigger problems in the background than we know about
Nobody’s saying spend 10’s of millions far from it but you can’t buy a run down property, spend nothing on it then rent it and command top dollar.
For us to compete at any level after what we’ve been through there has to be some kind of on field investment.
Danson has stripped the club to it’s bare bones and the league position shows what happens when you spend nothing. We’ve spent millions on the women’s side fantastic I might add, but for me spent at the wrong time.
1) The manager and coaching staff
When Lowe first came in I thought “Wow” this year might be our year” after that first game then after that we have done nothing but nose dive.
Coaches struggle to get the best out of the players and Lowe’s tactical ability started showing signs of cracks soon after that first game.
Preston fans pre-warned us all and they were spot on. But let’s not forget, he has been given zero to spend and went out 9 players out on loan yes 9. We kicked them them out to only be replaced by players who offer nothing to improve the side
But at the end of the day, the buck stops at Lowe’s door. His persistence of 3 at the back for me was his downfall. Tactically Lowe was poor very poor asking wide players to suddenly be wing backs at this level was crazy and we were undone game after game.
3) the recruitment guys
Right so let’s look at the recruitment team and targets. I got sick to death of us been linked with players only to find out they probably never coming here in a million years, it was nothing more than a smoke screen.
God only knows were they got Moxon from. 9 years he spent in the lower Scottish leagues and Carlisle. It says alot when your taking players on on loan from clubs in the same division, players who aren’t good enough to get into their own clubs starting 11.
If they were any good they wouldn’t be loaned out.
The recruitment has been unbelievably poor to say the least probably the worse January window considering we’re we are I’ve ever known.
Saturday saw us field 5 loanees while we’ve have around 9 players out on loan, please explain ?.
If we carry on operating like this will struggle in L2.
4) The players:-
At the end of the day they are the ones out there and basically the vast majority are not good enough. Defenders making schoolboy errors, midfielders who only know one type of pass, backwards.
I watched Matty Smith against Peterborough and I lost count the amount of times he received the ball and passed it back to a defender.
Gutless, spinless, and a total lack of risk taking sums up our current squad. Even Tickle joined in on Saturday with goal off the bar, schoolboy Under 8’s error.
So who’s next for the electric hair? :-
But if you asked me for a name I heard one mentioned and I thought
Good call:-
Leighton Baines
Apparently a superb coach with lots of admirers
Knows the club
Local and the perfect learning curve for him.
What we don’t need is a dinosaur 65+ year old manager we need new ideas, new system and a fresh young outlook.
Never forget
Baines only ever played for 2 clubs and were one of them.
I’m sure Danson will already have a number of candidates and Lowe’s replacement will be the cheapest on that list
Agree with everything, except the last bit.
I think we DO need an experienced manager. One with good links and connections as come the summer, we will need to bring in 15….yes FIFTEEN players. So we need someone with plenty of links, contacts and friends in the game. Baines would be like a rabbit in the headlights at this club. Not saying he’s not a good coach, but not for us at the moment in time.
Wellens? Yes. Coleman? Yes. Even Doolan and Brannan from Accrington. I do not want Karl Robinson from Salford. Going off their Netflix documentary, he could be another Lowe.
It will be very interesting to see who throws their hat in the ring. But whoever gets it will need some backing. To bring 15 players in…and thats no exaggeration, you need a minimum of 25/26 players (ideally about 34) for the season ahead. We will have about 10 contracted players come the summer. We can’t do it all on freebies and loans. We will actually have to spend some money, whether we are in Leage One, or Two.
There’s the huge elephant in the room….Sustainability is the issue…..it’s total fantasy!!!…..cant imagine any club is totally sustainable……..so very simple if Danson has one iota of ambition then he needs to invest……..then maybe he will see some success and some financial returns……but not in league 2.
Maurice Lindsay the former Wigan RL chairman might not have been everyone’s cup of tea but first and foremost he and his small board invested in the team as a matter of priority.
Nobody can argue at the results of that action , 30,000 crowds and massive profile for them back then.
Add to that his enthusiasm and energy , the bloke would carry kit and buckets around to help out and he never missed a trick to promote his club.
Sustainability in the lower divisions is almost impossible I would say as without the investment on the pitch this results in lower crowds, lower profile and even bigger losses as the player values would plummet at league 2 level.
In the short term the absolute priority is to stay at this level and I would prefer an experienced manager with a CV that has on it a relegation battle or five rather than some corporate sounding soundbite whizzkid full of stats and debrief talk.
It can be closer to self sustainable if we concentrate and on the youth. Millar came back injured Brennan on loan at a struggling side.
These young’s lads need nurturing here. We need a big investment in our scouting system.
Lowe recently said “Bettoni is a baby”, that was after he comes on and given the free kick over seasoned pro’s. I personally thought that remark was a bit of an insult
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Peterborough do a mighty fine job of selling players on with sell-on clauses attached because they know how to scout young unknowns and take a risk.
Prime example:- Kyrell Lisbie
All’s we’ve done is
Sign players
Loan out
Bring loan players in
Loan out all the young lads. I mentioned Leighton Baines as my preferred choice
He was 17 when he made his debut for Wigan before making a 145 appearances. Age means nothing if your good enough
Bainsey for me, too. I think his experience on the pitch, at the highest level for 98% of his long career, is just as good as some of the lower league “journey men” that are being touted for the job (non of which are filling me with enthusiasm).
When I questioned the seemingly high turnover of staff at the club, I was informed that the vacancies were for new roles as the backroom team was being expanded. I remain unconvinced.
Why was Carragher not even on the bench at Peterborough. No proper explanation, just that he’d been dropped. Stinks, if you ask me.
No smoke without fire; so I think things are going to get a lot worse before the good times return.
You’ll always find players will listen respect managers who’ve played at the highest level. We need someone with fire in their belly to get us out this rut.
Baines has 348 Prem appearance’s and 30 caps for England not many players can boast that.
I’d always prefer the young, hungry, ambitious manager rather than a Steve Bruce who’d be going through the motions.
And let’s not forget Glenn Whelan’s footballing achievements 610 matches, 91 games for R.O.I.
No player can turn around to either of them and say “You do understand” they’ve both got the pin on badge and the t-shirt.
I think that combo would be perfect partnership packed with experience.
I heard Richie Wellens name thrown in the hat.
Well anyway
We could get Mourinho in but if Danson says his cash cards playing up again nothing will change at the club.
I personally would invest in scouting. There are 1000’s of clubs and players itching to be picked up but if you don’t go to the car boot you won’t find the hidden gem.
As I pointed out before, there are a few clubs who have a back of sourcing out half decent players and we were put to the sword by one of them on Saturday
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