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  • #182597
    Vat69Vat69
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    People say that Whelan threw money about to get us up the leagues?

    Did he?

    What about all the sales we made? Every year we sold our best players, and eventually it caught up with us and we were relegated.

    Ellington, Valencia, Baines, Palacios, Heskey, Rodallega, Mcarthur, McCarthy, etc etc. We brought far more money in than we ever forked out.

    #182598
    The EggThe Egg
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    That was once we made the Prem. We made some pretty big signings to get us there albeit not as big as other clubs because as I’ve said before we spent it wisely but we still spent it.

    #182599
    The EggThe Egg
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    Filan, Eaden, Breckin, Jackson, Bullard, Teale, Kavanagh, Roberts, Ellington, Jarrett, McCulloch all came at a cost some large some not so large, plus the wages we reportedly paid were quite high for that time.

    #182600
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    My opinion is that everything points to relegation from this division, the team just isn’t good enough at this level. Thinking about Mackay and Joyce appointments what is the point of wasting loads of money for what is looking like a lost cause ?
    Why are league 1 standard players (in the main )suddenly going to become world beaters if we change the manager?
    It didn’t happen in the previous seasons and I doubt it would change anything now without very serious financial investment in January.
    I would sooner build the club up using a sound youth policy and if that means a return to league 1 then so be it.
    If there is no money there it would be pointless to waste millions of pounds paying the staff off for what is in my view now an inevitability.
    Sorry to be defeatist but we are where we are and the faults and blame lie on the pitch as the players we have are just not good enough at this level.
    Sorry to be defeatist but have seen enough to realise how poor this team is at this level and is easily one of the worst of the past 25 years or so.
    They have hardly any traits of what i believe a standard Wigan Athletic team should be.
    We have had some very very good times in my opinion over that period but it is now looking like we could be heading for a correction whether we like it or not.

    #182601
    muttywhitedogmuttywhitedog
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    I would sooner build the club up using a sound youth policy and if that means a return to league 1 then so be it.

    Easier said than done Vince. If you return to L1, its pretty much a given that any half-decent talent that is in your academy will be poached by either a prem or championship club. Its also pretty much a given that given the geographical location of Wigan, the lure to anyone half-decent will reduce, no matter how good your facilities are. The prem and top-end champ clubs can (and do) hoover up all the kids in the hope of one or two making it. The rest will either be tossed on the scrapheap or tossed back in your direction when they have been broken with the words “You aint good enough”.

    Sunderland are suffering this right now. As soon as relegation to L1 was confirmed in 2018, most of the kids that had been at the academy for 6+ years, signed as potential future premiership players, were hoovered up by Liverpool & Arsenal. We were left with the scraps. And that is in an area where the only competition for youth talent is Newcastle.

    #182602
    bigroybigroy
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    Back to the pipe dream of us producing loads of academy superstars when we have never done it in a decade. You can see this season the difficulties in bedding in Gelhardt that it’s not as easy as it sounds and this is supposedly one of the best 17 year olds in the country. We may have a decent cohort in the 18s at the minute but I’m not sure we have the strength in depth behind that group. The 16s lost 8-0 to Rangers at the weekend and I watched the 14s lose 6-0 at City recently. There is much work to do if we are to continually produce boys ready for the first team and this will take time.

    #182603
    jrfatfanjrfatfan
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    I disagree totally that this squad is not good enough to hold their own in this league. The only thing Cook has got right in his post match grovellings is two words “fine margins”.
    We have lost or drawn the majority of games, especially away from home, by the odd goal. Games in which for the most part we’ve looked the better team. Its been a mixture of poor tactics, poor substitutions and individual mistakes. 66% of the reasons we’ve grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory have been down to Cook and his management team.
    I’ve been behind Cook all of the way up to recently, but have always been critical of the management team as a whole saying they have only played or worked previously for the likes of Accrington Stanley.
    Get a management team in with a bit more experience, a bit more tactical prowess and this squad can be at a level of one challenging for a top 6 place.
    I know cost will come into it, but its about speculating to accumulate at this stage. The money that playing in the championship brings opposed to that what League one has to offer are worlds apart.
    We were fortunate last time that we bounced back at first attempt, next time we might not bounce back and that in my opinion could be a few nails in our coffin.
    Let’s put sentiment to one side, look to see if there are any experienced managers out there that might fancy a new challenge for the right reasons, being that they are already multi millionaires and see where it takes us. It has to be now, to allow for them to weigh up the squad before the January window closes.
    I won’t accept that going back to league one is acceptable or proactive in any way shape or form for this club.

    From Matlock to ManU
    What a journey!

    #182604
    SammySammy
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    It is quite surprising that Cook is still here, not necessarily because of results or even his inability to correct repetitive team failings, but more to do with his post-match comments where he has on more than one occasion admitted he doesn’t how to change things. That, in most any other club, would get him instantly out of the door. Even allowing for a situation where Cook knows he isn’t about to be potted it’s not something a manager would readily admit to. Honesty is not always the best policy when you are a football manager. The fact he’s still in charge says more about the structure of the club than anything else, or perhaps they haven’t found a suitable – however you wish to define that – replacement yet.

    #182605
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    Expections

    1. Chris Hughton
    2. David Moyes

    Reality

    1. Neil Warnock for 6 Months
    2. Owen Coyle

    I suspect the Royle’s are realists which is why Paul Cook still has his Job.

    Coyle has signed for an Indian League club today !

    Phew ![/quote]
    You laugh but he is a better alternative to what we have and his football was better than the shite we play now.[/quote]
    Really ??, wow how some see things differently

    #182606
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    It is quite surprising that Cook is still here, not necessarily because of results or even his inability to correct repetitive team failings, but more to do with his post-match comments where he has on more than one occasion admitted he doesn’t how to change things. That, in most any other club, would get him instantly out of the door. Even allowing for a situation where Cook knows he isn’t about to be potted it’s not something a manager would readily admit to. Honesty is not always the best policy when you are a football manager. The fact he’s still in charge says more about the structure of the club than anything else, or perhaps they haven’t found a suitable – however you wish to define that – replacement yet.

    Well as you have pointed out, getting rid is easy, finding someone who can sort this mess out and improve us to safety is another.
    I’d like to think Warnock or Hughton but that won’t happen.
    De Zeeuw’s done his badges

    #182607
    The EggThe Egg
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    I disagree totally that this squad is not good enough to hold their own in this league. The only thing Cook has got right in his post match grovellings is two words “fine margins”.
    We have lost or drawn the majority of games, especially away from home, by the odd goal. Games in which for the most part we’ve looked the better team. Its been a mixture of poor tactics, poor substitutions and individual mistakes. 66% of the reasons we’ve grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory have been down to Cook and his management team.
    I’ve been behind Cook all of the way up to recently, but have always been critical of the management team as a whole saying they have only played or worked previously for the likes of Accrington Stanley.
    Get a management team in with a bit more experience, a bit more tactical prowess and this squad can be at a level of one challenging for a top 6 place.
    I know cost will come into it, but its about speculating to accumulate at this stage. The money that playing in the championship brings opposed to that what League one has to offer are worlds apart.
    We were fortunate last time that we bounced back at first attempt, next time we might not bounce back and that in my opinion could be a few nails in our coffin.
    Let’s put sentiment to one side, look to see if there are any experienced managers out there that might fancy a new challenge for the right reasons, being that they are already multi millionaires and see where it takes us. It has to be now, to allow for them to weigh up the squad before the January window closes.
    I won’t accept that going back to league one is acceptable or proactive in any way shape or form for this club.

    Pretty good post that JR. I’ve nothing against the levels that some coaches have played at, but I do have issues with some of their decisions in terms of making subs based on time and an iPad rather than what is actually going on.

    #182608
    NuneatonlaticNuneatonlatic
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    I disagree totally that this squad is not good enough to hold their own in this league. The only thing Cook has got right in his post match grovellings is two words “fine margins”.
    We have lost or drawn the majority of games, especially away from home, by the odd goal. Games in which for the most part we’ve looked the better team. Its been a mixture of poor tactics, poor substitutions and individual mistakes. 66% of the reasons we’ve grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory have been down to Cook and his management team.
    I’ve been behind Cook all of the way up to recently, but have always been critical of the management team as a whole saying they have only played or worked previously for the likes of Accrington Stanley.
    Get a management team in with a bit more experience, a bit more tactical prowess and this squad can be at a level of one challenging for a top 6 place.
    I know cost will come into it, but its about speculating to accumulate at this stage. The money that playing in the championship brings opposed to that what League one has to offer are worlds apart.
    We were fortunate last time that we bounced back at first attempt, next time we might not bounce back and that in my opinion could be a few nails in our coffin.
    Let’s put sentiment to one side, look to see if there are any experienced managers out there that might fancy a new challenge for the right reasons, being that they are already multi millionaires and see where it takes us. It has to be now, to allow for them to weigh up the squad before the January window closes.
    I won’t accept that going back to league one is acceptable or proactive in any way shape or form for this club.

    Agree wholeheartedly jr but what makes it worse is that that with Royle and Reid at the club why is their vast experience not being utilised. Instead they seem to sit back and let Cook make the same stupid mistakes every week without battin an eyelid.

    #182609
    The EggThe Egg
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    Not every mistake is Cooks and that is the bit he probably scratches his head at and says he doesn’t know what to do. Players are switching off and making the same mistakes constantly. So we either don’t work on them or they still do it despite it being drilled into them all week.

    #182610
    runcornfan1978runcornfan1978
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    So we either don’t work on them or they still do it despite it being drilled into them all week.

    Or, perhaps egg, the players aren’t listening to him.

    #182611
    Vat69Vat69
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    I disagree totally that this squad is not good enough to hold their own in this league. The only thing Cook has got right in his post match grovellings is two words “fine margins”.
    We have lost or drawn the majority of games, especially away from home, by the odd goal. Games in which for the most part we’ve looked the better team. Its been a mixture of poor tactics, poor substitutions and individual mistakes. 66% of the reasons we’ve grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory have been down to Cook and his management team.
    I’ve been behind Cook all of the way up to recently, but have always been critical of the management team as a whole saying they have only played or worked previously for the likes of Accrington Stanley.
    Get a management team in with a bit more experience, a bit more tactical prowess and this squad can be at a level of one challenging for a top 6 place.
    I know cost will come into it, but its about speculating to accumulate at this stage. The money that playing in the championship brings opposed to that what League one has to offer are worlds apart.
    We were fortunate last time that we bounced back at first attempt, next time we might not bounce back and that in my opinion could be a few nails in our coffin.
    Let’s put sentiment to one side, look to see if there are any experienced managers out there that might fancy a new challenge for the right reasons, being that they are already multi millionaires and see where it takes us. It has to be now, to allow for them to weigh up the squad before the January window closes.
    I won’t accept that going back to league one is acceptable or proactive in any way shape or form for this club.

    Fully agree.

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