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Are you really surprised?
I expect them to be able to pass the ball to each other.[/quote]
Really?
How many teams pass the ball about in the Prem (a la Barcelona)?
Better still how many are any good at it?
And those that are, how many of the players are English?[/quote]
All the players in that England team tonight were from club sides that are considered to be good at passing the ball and keeping possession. So at a basic level I think it is reasonable to expect that they should be able to pass to a team-mate and then put themselves in a position to be able to receive the ball back.[/quote]Good at passing and possession in the EPL maybe (and with the assistance of a few overseas players), but they still aren’t at the standard of many foreign players/teams.
No surprises for me, England are the most over-rated international team I can think of, and have been for as long as I can remember, sure there are moments of joy, the odd good result, but that’s the same for all countries, I really don’t see how we can think of ourselves as any better than the denmarks and portugals of this world, let alone ze Germans and Spain.
I think all the expectation comes from the Premier league, the fact that it’s touted as the best in the world, skys relentless marketing and coverage, building up hopes and building up players. But let’s get real, the majority of quality players in the premier league play for other countries, and without them the league would be shite, so I can’t see things changing anytime soon!
Bloody hell is there a parrot in here? These comments are churned out by me regularly but don’t receive the attention probably because I don’t go anymore! I’m not in the clan so all opinions are less valid.
Good post nevertheless John.
No surprises for me, England are the most over-rated international team I can think of, and have been for as long as I can remember, sure there are moments of joy, the odd good result, but that’s the same for all countries, I really don’t see how we can think of ourselves as any better than the denmarks and portugals of this world, let alone ze Germans and Spain.
I think all the expectation comes from the Premier league, the fact that it’s touted as the best in the world, skys relentless marketing and coverage, building up hopes and building up players. But let’s get real, the majority of quality players in the premier league play for other countries, and without them the league would be shite, so I can’t see things changing anytime soon!
Bloody hell is there a parrot in here? These comments are churned out by me regularly but don’t receive the attention probably because I don’t go anymore! I’m not in the clan so all opinions are less valid.
Good post nevertheless John.
The clue is above, come up with something original and they might get some attention
No surprises for me, England are the most over-rated international team I can think of, and have been for as long as I can remember, sure there are moments of joy, the odd good result, but that’s the same for all countries, I really don’t see how we can think of ourselves as any better than the denmarks and portugals of this world, let alone ze Germans and Spain.
I think all the expectation comes from the Premier league, the fact that it’s touted as the best in the world, skys relentless marketing and coverage, building up hopes and building up players. But let’s get real, the majority of quality players in the premier league play for other countries, and without them the league would be shite, so I can’t see things changing anytime soon!
Bloody hell is there a parrot in here? These comments are churned out by me regularly but don’t receive the attention probably because I don’t go anymore! I’m not in the clan so all opinions are less valid.
Good post nevertheless John.
I’m not in the ‘clan’ either mate, and it’s just an honest appraisal of the set up at the moment, from an unbiased and sensible viewpoint, just not good enough, and nothing should really be expected of them at all, which makes it all the more frustrating when you see the ‘superstar’ wages the majority are on, and they’d struggle to get into a lot of good European club teams, let alone international ones!
Should be a couple of intriguing semi finals, I’m hoping Spain get through, purely because I’m in Spain on the piss on Sunday, and it will make for a great night out
Completely overran in midfield because both Milner and Young played as wide men.When the opposition pack out the midfield surely you cannot afford to stick with the rigid 4-4-2 formation.
Just a question,can anyone remember the last time England were so outplayed? I cant think of a game ive ever seen us so ineffective.Last night was painfull
If only I had a pound for the amount of times, today, I heard….
“better to have gone out last night than to have been totally humiliated by the Germans”.
However, like someone here may have already mentioned – quite frankly I really wasn’t that @rsed about it all after the shambles of the time wasting appointing the new manager; what I can see though are the building blocks for the future. Roy has blooded some youth and there are, in my opinion, some fine young players still waiting for their breakthrough into the senior team. Roy has a couple of years to learn from the lessons of this competition and adapt accordingly.
I suppose what I am saying is that I am quietly excited about a young, enthusiastic, patriotic team in the future.
Good post micky,this comp was a little early for woy,but he as sown a few seeds in the euros,lets hope they blossom soon :P :P
If only I had a pound for the amount of times, today, I heard….“better to have gone out last night than to have been totally humiliated by the Germans”.
However, like someone here may have already mentioned – quite frankly I really wasn’t that @rsed about it all after the shambles of the time wasting appointing the new manager; what I can see though are the building blocks for the future. Roy has blooded some youth and there are, in my opinion, some fine young players still waiting for their breakthrough into the senior team. Roy has a couple of years to learn from the lessons of this competition and adapt accordingly.
I suppose what I am saying is that I am quietly excited about a young, enthusiastic, patriotic team in the future.
Not too sure I share your optimism there Micky, especially with Roy as manager. I think your mate Mr Holloway might have been a better shout but that’s never going to happen. The after match interviews would have been interesting though.
If only I had a pound for the amount of times, today, I heard….
“better to have gone out last night than to have been totally humiliated by the Germans”.
However, like someone here may have already mentioned – quite frankly I really wasn’t that @rsed about it all after the shambles of the time wasting appointing the new manager; what I can see though are the building blocks for the future. Roy has blooded some youth and there are, in my opinion, some fine young players still waiting for their breakthrough into the senior team. Roy has a couple of years to learn from the lessons of this competition and adapt accordingly.
I suppose what I am saying is that I am quietly excited about a young, enthusiastic, patriotic team in the future.
Not too sure I share your optimism there Micky, especially with Roy as manager. I think your mate Mr Holloway might have been a better shout but that’s never going to happen. The after match interviews would have been interesting though.[/quote]
:lol:
Is that still doing the rounds old timer? ;)
Roy has planted no seeds whatsoever in my mind.
We all knew that the likes of Walcott and Oxlade- Chamberalin are great young prospects playing in the EPL, but apart from Walcots 10 min cameo of super sub against Sweden, they didn’t make great claims or look outstanding prospects as some of the young uns did in teams that didn’t make the last 8.
I said when he was appointed that he wont lose too many games but again wont win many. According to the FA he’s supposed to be one of the the most technically gifted managers around, well just check the stats for this tournament. We’ve had most shots against us and had the least possession in games than any other team. Bleedin eck Pirlo had more possession and made more passes than the entire England midfield, how technically crap is that.
He then states today that he is not concerned about conceding loads of possession, he is more interested in stopping the opposition getting round the back of our defence. Hey Mr Hodgeson just re-run last nights game and check the number of times Italy “got round the back” only to be thwarted by Hart or a poor finish, it could and should have been a cricket score.If your looking forward to the world cup qualifiers, be ready for some boring 0-0 draws against teams we should beat doing handstands. :woohoo:
From Matlock to ManU
What a journey!Roy has planted no seeds whatsoever in my mind.We all knew that the likes of Walcott and Oxlade- Chamberalin are great young prospects playing in the EPL, but apart from Walcots 10 min cameo of super sub against Sweden, they didn’t make great claims or look outstanding prospects as some of the young uns did in teams that didn’t make the last 8.
I said when he was appointed that he wont lose too many games but again wont win many. According to the FA he’s supposed to be one of the the most technically gifted managers around, well just check the stats for this tournament. We’ve had most shots against us and had the least possession in games than any other team. Bleedin eck Pirlo had more possession and made more passes than the entire England midfield, how technically crap is that.
He then states today that he is not concerned about conceding loads of possession, he is more interested in stopping the opposition getting round the back of our defence. Hey Mr Hodgeson just re-run last nights game and check the number of times Italy “got round the back” only to be thwarted by Hart or a poor finish, it could and should have been a cricket score.If your looking forward to the world cup qualifiers, be ready for some boring 0-0 draws against teams we should beat doing handstands. :woohoo:
Bleedin ‘ell JR….and I thought that I could be bitter. There is no getting away from the ‘stats of the competition’ but give the guy a bloody chance will you.
We had the second youngest team of the tournament with probably the least practiced for it – see my previous (Pirlo….as you seem to have singled out, has more game time under his belt than most of our squad put together) but hey! let’s continue in that good old fashioned English way of self flagellation and berate all who take up this ‘poison chalice’ that is the position National Coach.
Are you saying that in the coming years we cannot, through his (and his coaching team) stewardship put together a team that will be able to compete against some of the best in Europe (indeed the world)? because if you are you might as well throw the ‘metaphorical’ England season ticket at him on your next outing.
Like my team here in Wigan I will continue to believe that we can rebuild and move on…….without that belief and support we might as well take a leaf from the musings of Johann Georg Faust and capitulate now.
I may even get some flags for my car B)
I’m sorry but I hate the man with a vengeance and IMHO he should never have been handed the “poison chalice”.
Harry Redknap would have at least had a go at Italy and I for one would have been happy to lose 3-2 having a real go.I’m afraid the FA have appointed a yes man and a multi linguist, big ticks in the FA’s job spec for the Englands managers job, great, great attributes for the head of our national team.
What a load of fekin bollux from start to finish!!.From Matlock to ManU
What a journey!I’m sorry but I hate the man with a vengeanceBlimey…don’t mince your words JR!
I think he seems a decent bloke.
Redknapp talked his way out of the job:
“I write like a two-year-old and I can’t spell.”
“I have a big problem, I can’t write so I don’t keep anything. I am the most disorganised person, I am ashamed to say, in the world.”
“You talk to anybody at the football club. I don’t write. I couldn’t even fill a team sheet in.”
“(my accountant) writes all the cheques for me and my wife. He pays my bills. He runs my life basically.”
How on earth could the FA be seen to appoint this man as manager of the country’s national team, and represent England on a world stage?
Redknapp was a dead cert for the job until he opened his mouth in that courtroom.
I’m sorry but I hate the man with a vengeance
Blimey…don’t mince your words JR!
I think he seems a decent bloke.
Redknapp talked his way out of the job:
“I write like a two-year-old and I can’t spell.”
“I have a big problem, I can’t write so I don’t keep anything. I am the most disorganised person, I am ashamed to say, in the world.”
“You talk to anybody at the football club. I don’t write. I couldn’t even fill a team sheet in.”
“(my accountant) writes all the cheques for me and my wife. He pays my bills. He runs my life basically.”
How on earth could the FA be seen to appoint this man as manager of the country’s national team, and represent England on a world stage?
Redknapp was a dead cert for the job until he opened his mouth in that courtroom.[/quote]
Basically because all the booted and suited FA tossers could do the “paperwork” and leave Arry to sort out the footballing side of things.
It’s amazing that 99% of all managers, fans, media and most importantly players wanted Redknapp for the job but the FA didn’t.
If you want to bring up Arry’s court case and the fact that the FA couldn’t morally put this fraudster in charge, lets talk about Mr Terry’s pending court case. Lets also talk about how Mr Terry forced a fellow player out of his national team by s*a**ing his girl friend.
Double standards eh? :ohmy:From Matlock to ManU
What a journey!
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