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I see you have not managed to offer up any radical new ideas on how differently the club should be run to achieve whatever it is you think the club should be achieving. :think:
There you go Hindley, I’ve posted this again as a reminder.
I see you have not managed to offer up any radical new ideas on how differently the club should be run to achieve whatever it is you think the club should be achieving. :think:There you go Hindley, I’ve posted this again as a reminder.
Ok Sammy here’s an alternative way of running the club which would certainly make our Saturday jaunts to the DW more enjoyable. Instead of selling our best players we keep hold of them and build a team. We would then win a hell of a lot more games and attendences would increase. We may even win a cup or get into Europe and before you mock Fulham and Bolton managed it and neither are massive clubs. This would increase turnover and would probably attract better sponsorship and perhaps new investment.
Just a thought like :think:
Ok Sammy here’s an alternative way of running the club which would certainly make our Saturday jaunts to the DW more enjoyable. Instead of selling our best players we keep hold of them and build a team. We would then win a hell of a lot more games and attendences would increase. We may even win a cup or get into Europe and before you mock Fulham and Bolton managed it and neither are massive clubs. This would increase turnover and would probably attract better sponsorship and perhaps new investment.
Just a thought like :think: [/quote]
hhhhhhhmmmmmmm Build a team and dont sell our best players so how do you stop our best players leaving when the likes of utd,city,liverpool arsenal,chelsea etc etc etc come in for them when they refuse to sign a new contract. E.G zoggy that would be 6 mill lost streight away so how do we sustain a loss like that and say we lose 2 or 3 players in one go.You mention bolton whos crowds are down have no coin and got stiched up by there 10mill record signing elmander who went on a free. You talk about attracting investment i will name one club,good attendances some big stars in there squad wait for it ………EVERTON
Watching the Aresnal match last night it said the difference between Champions league and the Europa league on reaching the last 16 is thus
Aresnal earned £ 25 million
Liverpool earned £5 million
My question is a Europa league spot worth the hassle ?
My question is a Europa league spot worth the hassle ?Mick McCarthy said he hopes that Wolves – a much bigger club than us – never qualify for the Europa League.
Ok Sammy here’s an alternative way of running the club which would certainly make our Saturday jaunts to the DW more enjoyable. Instead of selling our best players we keep hold of them and build a team. We would then win a hell of a lot more games and attendences would increase. We may even win a cup or get into Europe and before you mock Fulham and Bolton managed it and neither are massive clubs. This would increase turnover and would probably attract better sponsorship and perhaps new investment.Just a thought like :think:
Don’t get me wrong, the dismantling of Steve Bruce’s team mid-season still really rankles with me & I could see no reason for it then & I’ve not seen or heard anything since which has made me change my mind – although I accept that Palacios & Heskey would have been sold in the summer anyway, but why not have waited. To do it in january made no sense
However just picking up on the 2 examples that you have given of smaller clubs who are more than just relegation fodder:
Fulham – bankrolled by one of the richest men in Britain. Not to an Abramovich extent, but bankrolled they most certainly are
Bolton – In their last set of accounts it showed they had approx £95mill of debts
Latics don’t have an owner like Al Fayed nor would the banks & other creditors allow them to rack up debts of the level of Bolton
Until we do Latics, like Wimbledon before us will always have to sell star players every season & replace them with cheaper versions, hoping to repeat the process. Some years it will work better than others & 1 day it won’t work at allGiven the fact that I’m a darksider I would just like to qualify the above with the comment that that does not mean that a manager shouldn’t be able to do better with some of the tools at his disposal ;)
The dismantling of Bruce’s team still rankles with many supporters but it also came as a stark reality check to those, well me at least, who thought we could successfully compete with even the mid-table teams in this league.
As far as Palacios was concerned – and I’ll stand corrected here – I believe the club weren’t about to sell him even though a decent offer had been made by Spurs. It was only when Man City came into the frame with an offer which forced Spurs to come back with an even better one – an offer that Whelan and the player couldn’t refuse – that he was eventually sold. Of course the club at the time weren’t in any immediate danger of being relegated, unlike last season and the situation with N’Zogbia when he wasn’t sold, so it was probably considered good business at the time.
The squad Bruce had was the best ever in the Prem but to think we could have kept that squad together is pure fantasy. Heskey and Valencia would have been off in the summer anyway and most likely Palacios too. And it wasn’t as if the mid-table position it provided was making much difference to the attendances to justify the risk of further financial outlay necessary to build on that. If a club like Arsenal can’t keep hold of its best players who want to move on to bigger and better things what chance do we have.
When Bruce left it signalled a change of policy by Whelan who decided he was either unable or unwilling to bankroll the club to the extent previously. So Martinez was brought in and the process of offloading the higher earners began together with restructuring of the club by placing more emphasis on youth development and by taking a chance on non-established players.
I measure the success of Wigan Athletic by its ability to remain in the Premiership, which incredibly it has done for seven seasons now. By doing so it gives its fans the chance to watch at first hand some of the best teams and best players in the world at an affordable price. We may complain about the absurdity of it all but when it’s gone it will most likely be forever. Embrace it while you can.
The dismantling of Bruce’s team still rankles with many supporters but it also came as a stark reality check to those, well me at least, who thought we could successfully compete with even the mid-table teams in this league.As far as Palacios was concerned – and I’ll stand corrected here – I believe the club weren’t about to sell him even though a decent offer had been made by Spurs. It was only when Man City came into the frame with an offer which forced Spurs to come back with an even better one – an offer that Whelan and the player couldn’t refuse – that he was eventually sold. Of course the club at the time weren’t in any immediate danger of being relegated, unlike last season and the situation with N’Zogbia when he wasn’t sold, so it was probably considered good business at the time.
The squad Bruce had was the best ever in the Prem but to think we could have kept that squad together is pure fantasy. Heskey and Valencia would have been off in the summer anyway and most likely Palacios too. And it wasn’t as if the mid-table position it provided was making much difference to the attendances to justify the risk of further financial outlay necessary to build on that. If a club like Arsenal can’t keep hold of its best players who want to move on to bigger and better things what chance do we have.
When Bruce left it signalled a change of policy by Whelan who decided he was either unable or unwilling to bankroll the club to the extent previously. So Martinez was brought in and the process of offloading the higher earners began together with restructuring of the club by placing more emphasis on youth development and by taking a chance on non-established players.
I measure the success of Wigan Athletic by its ability to remain in the Premiership, which incredibly it has done for seven seasons now. By doing so it gives its fans the chance to watch at first hand some of the best teams and best players in the world at an affordable price. We may complain about the absurdity of it all but when it’s gone it will most likely be forever. Embrace it while you can.
I don’t know what to say, so have a few of these::clap: :text-goodpost:
And anyone who doesn’t agree can have one of these:
:orcs-buttshake:
The dismantling of Bruce’s team still rankles with many supporters but it also came as a stark reality check to those, well me at least, who thought we could successfully compete with even the mid-table teams in this league.As far as Palacios was concerned – and I’ll stand corrected here – I believe the club weren’t about to sell him even though a decent offer had been made by Spurs. It was only when Man City came into the frame with an offer which forced Spurs to come back with an even better one – an offer that Whelan and the player couldn’t refuse – that he was eventually sold. Of course the club at the time weren’t in any immediate danger of being relegated, unlike last season and the situation with N’Zogbia when he wasn’t sold, so it was probably considered good business at the time.
The squad Bruce had was the best ever in the Prem but to think we could have kept that squad together is pure fantasy. Heskey and Valencia would have been off in the summer anyway and most likely Palacios too. And it wasn’t as if the mid-table position it provided was making much difference to the attendances to justify the risk of further financial outlay necessary to build on that. If a club like Arsenal can’t keep hold of its best players who want to move on to bigger and better things what chance do we have.
When Bruce left it signalled a change of policy by Whelan who decided he was either unable or unwilling to bankroll the club to the extent previously. So Martinez was brought in and the process of offloading the higher earners began together with restructuring of the club by placing more emphasis on youth development and by taking a chance on non-established players.
I measure the success of Wigan Athletic by its ability to remain in the Premiership, which incredibly it has done for seven seasons now. By doing so it gives its fans the chance to watch at first hand some of the best teams and best players in the world at an affordable price. We may complain about the absurdity of it all but when it’s gone it will most likely be forever. Embrace it while you can.
I don’t know if you were replying to my post Sammy but I’ll reply to yours anyway coz i think you missed one of the points I was making with regards to the Jan 09 sell off
I know that Palacios would have needed to be sold in the summer anyway in order to keep the club going & fund squad development. I also know that Heskey would have gone for nowt in the summer but unless anyone can provide proof that the club had the bankers knocking on the door demanding their cash, then there was no need to sell those players when they did
The club was 7th at the time, playing really well & in with a shout of qualifying for Europe. Why sell those players (& give Valencia the choice to go too) in the middle of the season? The club should always aim to finish as high as it can whether that be 7th or 17th. Palacios could have been sold in the summer anyway as you state & if his form had continued it may well have been for more. Heskey would have gone for nowt but the prize money lost caused by the slump in form & the drop in places equated to roughly what the club got for him from Villa anyway.
It also ultimately cost us our manager several months down the line & Whelan’s comments that “we’re safe now, so its job done & build for next season” lost us a chunk of support.
However unrealistic the dream of competing in the top half of the table was it was still the dream of many & as Captain Sensible once said “if you don’t have a dream, how you gonna have a dream come true”!!!!!!All that said it is quite clear how Latics have to operate as a club & my initial post was intended to say that expecting us to operate like Fulham & Bolton isn’t possible
I don’t know if you were replying to my post Sammy but I’ll reply to yours anyway coz i think you missed one of the points I was making with regards to the Jan 09 sell off
I know that Palacios would have needed to be sold in the summer anyway in order to keep the club going & fund squad development. I also know that Heskey would have gone for nowt in the summer but unless anyone can provide proof that the club had the bankers knocking on the door demanding their cash, then there was no need to sell those players when they did
The club was 7th at the time, playing really well & in with a shout of qualifying for Europe. Why sell those players (& give Valencia the choice to go too) in the middle of the season? The club should always aim to finish as high as it can whether that be 7th or 17th. Palacios could have been sold in the summer anyway as you state & if his form had continued it may well have been for more. Heskey would have gone for nowt but the prize money lost caused by the slump in form & the drop in places equated to roughly what the club got for him from Villa anyway.
It also ultimately cost us our manager several months down the line & Whelan’s comments that “we’re safe now, so its job done & build for next season” lost us a chunk of support.
However unrealistic the dream of competing in the top half of the table was it was still the dream of many & as Captain Sensible once said “if you don’t have a dream, how you gonna have a dream come true”!!!!!!All that said it is quite clear how Latics have to operate as a club & my initial post was intended to say that expecting us to operate like Fulham & Bolton isn’t possible
My response was in part to your post and to the general theme of the thread which is about people’s expectations.
I think the only player who could arguably not have been sold was Heskey. Maybe the bankers weren’t knocking on the door but I don’t think that was the issue. It was already common knowledge that Valencia was off to United at the end of the season and nothing was going to change that whatever position we finished in the league. Palacios only went when the offer from Spurs became too lucrative to turn down, especially for him (it’s not unreasonable to speculate that he trebled his salary).
I believe it was a watershed moment for the club; a realisation that despite being in the top half of the table it was still unable to hold on to its better players.The dream is still being in the Premiership.
I think the only player who could arguably not have been sold was Heskey.
Didn’t Heskey want to go because he thought it improve his England chances at the time? Might be wrong on that but something is ringing a bell.
he played his best few games for england when we had him
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