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The officials were poor, but in the end, they saved us with that handball in our penalty area near the end. No doubt the Northampton equivalent of this site are equally as disappointed in the standard of reffing.
Didn’t we get a free kick from that handball incident?
Disagree TyldesleyThe ball comes off the post and bounces on the line, but it then veers over the line – either because it’s spinning, by witchcraft, due to the gravitational pull of Jupiter, or whatever
Look at the slow motion version. When their lad connects with the ball, his foot either sweeps the ground or it pretty damn close to doing that and the ball is clearly over the line – nothing to do with height and perception.
Just incase you're not convinced Paul @PKendrickWIG @sammorsy08 @WeahsCousin pic.twitter.com/Rrwj0zGaen
— Callum (@MrCalliJ) September 20, 2017
As you said though, can completely understand why the officials didn’t spot it as even with slow motion people are still disputing it.
Nope – I’ll still argue that it wasn’t over the line. If you pause that footage at the exact moment that he kicks the ball, it is off the ground because you can see the shadow of the ball on the line.
Bearing in mind that the floodlights at Latics don’t come from the corners or behind the goal but from the side that gives you an indication that a) the ball is off the ground & b) that the ball isn’t completely over the lineI rest my case!! :P
The officials were poor, but in the end, they saved us with that handball in our penalty area near the end. No doubt the Northampton equivalent of this site are equally as disappointed in the standard of reffing.
Didn’t we get a free kick from that handball incident?[/quote]
Indeed we did – which just goes to show how bad the ref was!
The Cobblers had appeals for a penalty turned down with 5 minutes to go. This is the incident here: pic.twitter.com/HbZnyBukZu
— Northampton Town (@ntfc) September 20, 2017
At the end of the day, it hasn’t affected the result any way shape or form. I understand the debate if we had drawn or lost the game & it cost us points, but it hasn’t. IMO, its now irrelevant.
Disagree Tyldesley
The ball comes off the post and bounces on the line, but it then veers over the line – either because it’s spinning, by witchcraft, due to the gravitational pull of Jupiter, or whatever
Look at the slow motion version. When their lad connects with the ball, his foot either sweeps the ground or it pretty damn close to doing that and the ball is clearly over the line – nothing to do with height and perception.
Just incase you're not convinced Paul @PKendrickWIG @sammorsy08 @WeahsCousin pic.twitter.com/Rrwj0zGaen
— Callum (@MrCalliJ) September 20, 2017
As you said though, can completely understand why the officials didn’t spot it as even with slow motion people are still disputing it.
Nope – I’ll still argue that it wasn’t over the line. If you pause that footage at the exact moment that he kicks the ball, it is off the ground because you can see the shadow of the ball on the line.
Bearing in mind that the floodlights at Latics don’t come from the corners or behind the goal but from the side that gives you an indication that a) the ball is off the ground & b) that the ball isn’t completely over the lineI rest my case!! :P[/quote]
Don’t know what you’re looking at, but I can’t see a shadow on the line when he clears it!In fact, if you follow the shadow rather than the ball, you’ll see it deviates in its course.
One of us needs our eyes testing, and bearing in mind what you do/use to do on football pitches at weekends….
Just saying
The officials were poor, but in the end, they saved us with that handball in our penalty area near the end. No doubt the Northampton equivalent of this site are equally as disappointed in the standard of reffing.
Didn’t we get a free kick from that handball incident?[/quote]
Indeed we did – which just goes to show how bad the ref was!
https://twitter.com/ntfc/status/910459455309041665%5B/quote%5D
Free kick was for the push on Dan Burn which unbalanced him and caused the handball, hence the free kick to us. Good decision. To be honest I’ve seen a lot worse officials than those on Tuesday.
Disagree Tyldesley
The ball comes off the post and bounces on the line, but it then veers over the line – either because it’s spinning, by witchcraft, due to the gravitational pull of Jupiter, or whatever
Look at the slow motion version. When their lad connects with the ball, his foot either sweeps the ground or it pretty damn close to doing that and the ball is clearly over the line – nothing to do with height and perception.
Just incase you're not convinced Paul @PKendrickWIG @sammorsy08 @WeahsCousin pic.twitter.com/Rrwj0zGaen
— Callum (@MrCalliJ) September 20, 2017
As you said though, can completely understand why the officials didn’t spot it as even with slow motion people are still disputing it.
Nope – I’ll still argue that it wasn’t over the line. If you pause that footage at the exact moment that he kicks the ball, it is off the ground because you can see the shadow of the ball on the line.
Bearing in mind that the floodlights at Latics don’t come from the corners or behind the goal but from the side that gives you an indication that a) the ball is off the ground & b) that the ball isn’t completely over the lineI rest my case!! :P[/quote]
No need for anyone to rest their case as the referee did that on Tuesday night! The referee’s decision is final as you know! ;)
Question for you tilders, what is the refs remit regarding doubt in a situation like that?. If he is unsure has he an instruction or guideline he can follow to help his decision or is it purely down to what he sees, his call totally.
Just watched the highlights & not sure how anybody can say that wasn’t over the line.
His standing foot is clearly “just” on the line with his other swung back ready to kick…
Thought it was over on the night and convinced now. Linesman made a poor decision.Disagree Tyldesley
The ball comes off the post and bounces on the line, but it then veers over the line – either because it’s spinning, by witchcraft, due to the gravitational pull of Jupiter, or whatever
Look at the slow motion version. When their lad connects with the ball, his foot either sweeps the ground or it pretty damn close to doing that and the ball is clearly over the line – nothing to do with height and perception.
Just incase you're not convinced Paul @PKendrickWIG @sammorsy08 @WeahsCousin pic.twitter.com/Rrwj0zGaen
— Callum (@MrCalliJ) September 20, 2017
As you said though, can completely understand why the officials didn’t spot it as even with slow motion people are still disputing it.
Nope – I’ll still argue that it wasn’t over the line. If you pause that footage at the exact moment that he kicks the ball, it is off the ground because you can see the shadow of the ball on the line.
Bearing in mind that the floodlights at Latics don’t come from the corners or behind the goal but from the side that gives you an indication that a) the ball is off the ground & b) that the ball isn’t completely over the lineI rest my case!! :P[/quote]
Don’t know what you’re looking at, but I can’t see a shadow on the line when he clears it!In fact, if you follow the shadow rather than the ball, you’ll see it deviates in its course.
One of us needs our eyes testing, and bearing in mind what you do/use to do on football pitches at weekends….
Just saying :whistle:[/quote]
It’s thee that needs em testing lad!! Anyway I’m currently out injured for I reckon around 12 months (certainly this season anyway) so your derogatory comment doesn’t apply for the moment!!!
Just watched the highlights & not sure how anybody can say that wasn’t over the line.
His standing foot is clearly “just” on the line with his other swung back ready to kick…
Thought it was over on the night and convinced now. Linesman made a poor decision.It doesn’t matter where his standing foot is – it’s where the pitch facing part of the ball is when he kicks it that matters & there’s no way that you can tell from that angle whether it is 100% over the line
Just watched the highlights & not sure how anybody can say that wasn’t over the line.
His standing foot is clearly “just” on the line with his other swung back ready to kick…
Thought it was over on the night and convinced now. Linesman made a poor decision.It doesn’t matter where his standing foot is – it’s where the pitch facing part of the ball is when he kicks it that matters & there’s no way that you can tell from that angle whether it is 100% over the line[/quote]
I was sat in the South Stand for this game TL & in real time I was sure I saw the ball cross the white line fully. All about opinions of course, but just glad we won as that decision would really have peeved me.
Question for you tilders, what is the refs remit regarding doubt in a situation like that?. If he is unsure has he an instruction or guideline he can follow to help his decision or is it purely down to what he sees, his call totally.In that situation, you would really be relying 100% on the assistant for a signal. It’s very rare that you would ever expect to see the referee on the touchline looking whether a ball has crossed the line for a goal/corner/goal kick.
In fact in your pre-match instructions to the assistants you ask them to follow the ball down to the touchline so, whilst you can’t see him on the highlights, I would expect the assistant to be bang on the goal line looking across & as one of their defenders was down injured near the goal line he wouldn’t have had far to move to get there as usually you stick with the second rear most defender.
The ref in this instance is on the edge of the area near the D & as they’re mic’d up as soon as that ball came back off the post the ref will have asked whether it was over the line & (I assume) the assistant would have kept repeating “no” until it was cleared.
As the assistant should have been bang on the line & the ball wasn’t travelling at speed (as opposed to say a bullet header from a corner being directly cleared by someone on the line) so it isn’t as if it moved too fast for him to be sure, I would be amazed if the assistant in this instance got it wrongJust watched the highlights & not sure how anybody can say that wasn’t over the line.
His standing foot is clearly “just” on the line with his other swung back ready to kick…
Thought it was over on the night and convinced now. Linesman made a poor decision.It doesn’t matter where his standing foot is – it’s where the pitch facing part of the ball is when he kicks it that matters & there’s no way that you can tell from that angle whether it is 100% over the line[/quote]
I was sat in the South Stand for this game TL & in real time I was sure I saw the ball cross the white line fully. All about opinions of course, but just glad we won as that decision would really have peeved me.[/quote]
I agree, but the only camera & viewing angle that would give 100% certainty as to whether it was overline is one from exactly where the assistant was stood & in their opinion it didn’t go over so I’d be inclined to agree that it didn’t – especially from having seen the footage
Just watched the highlights & not sure how anybody can say that wasn’t over the line.
His standing foot is clearly “just” on the line with his other swung back ready to kick…
Thought it was over on the night and convinced now. Linesman made a poor decision.It doesn’t matter where his standing foot is – it’s where the pitch facing part of the ball is when he kicks it that matters & there’s no way that you can tell from that angle whether it is 100% over the line[/quote]
I was sat in the South Stand for this game TL & in real time I was sure I saw the ball cross the white line fully. All about opinions of course, but just glad we won as that decision would really have peeved me.[/quote]
I agree, but the only camera & viewing angle that would give 100% certainty as to whether it was overline is one from exactly where the assistant was stood & in their opinion it didn’t go over so I’d be inclined to agree that it didn’t – especially from having seen the footage[/quote]
Given the way the ball hit the post then bounced on the line, I reckon the most likely explanation is the assistant saw the trajectory of the ball ie bounce straight along the line and hit the line, then looked elsewhere and missed the spin that took it over the line.
These things even out over time. Remember the Shearer “goal” in 2005 that wasn’t given? I was further away from that one than Tuesday’s, but it looked over to me!
Ironic that we played in the first official club game in England with goal line technology, albeit they probably switched it off at De Gea’s end to save electricity :lol:
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