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More than 15 players for 25 million.
The price tags were no great shakes but the 70K per week wages reported to be paid to the likes of Park with no relegation wage drop clause can only be considered insane at best.[/quote]
Know what you mean, but I bet he’s not on that much money.
And lets be honest, if we had signed Park, most of us would’ve been very pleased and seen it as something of a ‘coup’.
Personally, I think he signed a decent bunch of players for that 25 million. Some proven players as well, who’ve played in the Premiership. Where as, we always take a chance on if a lad will be good enough at this level.
I think we’re too small minded as a club. Have done for a while.[/quote]
You have just proved what myself and a few others think, Mark Hughes wouldn’t hold a candle to our bobby. If you think those “decent bunch of players” at QPR are on anything less than £50K per week then you must be deluded.
SWP and Cisse probably more nearer the £60-70k per week mark.I honestly think that our wheeling and dealing policy is both astute and realistic. OK some players have not made the grade and have consequently been shipped out. There are one or two players amongst our ranks now that may get shipped out in the next window, but the better players will make this club a bit more money and better placed to stay in this division. Look at the likes of WBA, who a lot of posters on here have said are a far bigger club than ours and yet they do just what they are famous for boing, boing to the championship and back every other year.
The very reason why we are posting on here and Whelan is supping sangria in his Barbados holiday home, is that he knows how to run a business which if you like it or not, is exactly what Wigan Athletic is.
Mr Fernandes must have been very impressed with the “decent bunch of players” yoozie had put together, so much so he has kicked him back to whence he came.
I to get frustrated when we seem to be getting a decent team together then wooooosh the carpets pulled from under us, but this is what Wigan Athletic is at the moment. Who knows were we will be in years to come, but whatever league we are in, I can’t see us in a position where we are dusting off the collection buckets and asking for fans loose change to pay the players.
From Matlock to ManU
What a journey!On average, over 8 seasons, I’d say we’ve spent about 4 million a season on strikers, hardly messi money.
To find the truth, sometimes you need to go right back to the beginning, remember at the start of all this, when uncle Dave said that jewell would have a 40 million warchest? Everyone has heard the legend, and Whelan gets slated for it to this day, but the truth is, that even if he put in a 40 million pound bid in for falcao, he wouldn’t come, if he said he’d pay 20 million and a hundred grand a week for even a Defoe, he wouldn’t come, and even a 10 million bid for someone like bent or Torres would be either rebuffed or a massive gamble anyway.
We are in the wrong league, end of, the gap between the rich and the poor is too wide, it is not a competition. And all the FFP rules in the world won’t change it.
We aren’t the only club in this situation, even arsenal and Liverpool are being cast adrift.
It’s just a big bunch of nothingness, a massive pile of shite, and we’re the ones expected to enjoy it, because it’s the best league in the world, well that’s only because sky say so, I trust my own judgement thank you very much, and I say this league is wank.
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As for being expected to watch it….. please take the door to the left and dont come back….[/quote]
There’s a big difference between being expected to watch it, and being expected to enjoy it, a bit like a funeral, you feel like you have to attend, knowing full well it will be depressing
The who can we realistically sign debate is what put a taint on Jewell’s time at the club for me.
Constantly bemoaning being unable to bring players into the club yet following his departure Hutchings managed to sign Melchiot (very good player for us especially at the time!) Bruce managed to make a couple of good signings (as much as it pains me to say it) and Roberto has been more than competitive in the transfer market.
Perhaps players just didnt want to sign for him and I cant blame em he hasnt exactly set the footballing world alight since his departure.
Yes, there have been some decent signings, but most of them have been misfits (Melchiot was signed from Rennes after his contract had expired), largely unheard of in the UK, or from the SPL and lower leagues.
As much as people don’t want to hear it, low crowds and the threat of relegation each year have put players off joining us in the past.[/quote]
They have to be misfits as established players won’t want to come.
With regards to your 2nd point.. I completely agree..Whether people want to hear it or not, it is fact.. Low crowds and relegation threats have clearly put people off wanting to come (Aswell as wages of course) :)[/quote]
We seem to have done well with a few of the old misfits like Bramble ,Zoggy,Cattermole all had problems at other clubs but came here knuckled down and got on with there careers
That link mentions nothing of wine and steak or helicopters and holidays, and so shouldn’t be used as a reliable source, I bet whelans got more in coins down the back of his sofa than he’s spent on quality goalscorers in the last few years.
Don’t talk rubbish.
Whelan is a man of the people. He’s building that club near Wigan Tech for youngsters.
All the Premier League money was spent on ping pong tables, drinks cartons and smoking shelters.[/quote]
Sorry Standish but Whelan is not building a club near Wigan Tech for youngsters. He has made a donation of pocket change to the project but most of the money is coming from other sources. He is doing what he is best at minimum outlay maximum exposure, sound familiar
That link mentions nothing of wine and steak or helicopters and holidays, and so shouldn’t be used as a reliable source, I bet whelans got more in coins down the back of his sofa than he’s spent on quality goalscorers in the last few years.
Don’t talk rubbish.
Whelan is a man of the people. He’s building that club near Wigan Tech for youngsters.
All the Premier League money was spent on ping pong tables, drinks cartons and smoking shelters.[/quote]
Sorry Standish but Whelan is not building a club near Wigan Tech for youngsters. He has made a donation of pocket change to the project but most of the money is coming from other sources. He is doing what he is best at minimum outlay maximum exposure, sound familiar :whistle:[/quote]
Sounds familiar yes and it hasn’t done him no harm at all neither to him or the football club I would go as far as to say that when he pops his clogs a statue should be erected at his stadium
Sorry Standish but Whelan is not building a club near Wigan Tech for youngsters. He has made a donation of pocket change to the project but most of the money is coming from other sources. He is doing what he is best at minimum outlay maximum exposure, sound familiar As with the Stadium, it doesn’t matter how much he personally invested or not. The point is, it was his idea, his project, and he made it happen. Just as with most other things he has done in his life.
Jealousy is a terrible thing, fellas.
Sorry Standish but Whelan is not building a club near Wigan Tech for youngsters. He has made a donation of pocket change to the project but most of the money is coming from other sources. He is doing what he is best at minimum outlay maximum exposure, sound familiar
As with the Stadium, it doesn’t matter how much he personally invested or not. The point is, it was his idea, his project, and he made it happen. Just as with most other things he has done in his life.
Jealousy is a terrible thing, fellas.[/quote]
Some people just don’t want to give him credit for anything…
And people say this board isn’t negative
At the end of the day some fans are just happy with their lot even though it aint a lot ie club run on a shoestring but financial stability and others would have liked to have seen Uncle Dave take a gamble to back up his sound bites ! I am in the latter camp and so therefore will forever be disillusioned ! :S
At the end of the day some fans are just happy with their lot even though it aint a lot ie club run on a shoestring but financial stability and others would have liked to have seen Uncle Dave take a gamble to back up his sound bites ! I am in the latter camp and so therefore will forever be disillusioned ! :SWhy doesnt everyone in the latter camp buy 2 or 3 season tickets next year?
Or is it a lot easier to talk about spending someone else’s money?
At the end of the day some fans are just happy with their lot even though it aint a lot ie club run on a shoestring but financial stability and others would have liked to have seen Uncle Dave take a gamble to back up his sound bites ! I am in the latter camp and so therefore will forever be disillusioned ! :SAgain this is just an opinion, but if some aren’t happy with the club and how it is run.. Why do they continue to support the team?? Surely they could support someone they would be ‘happy’ with.. But in all honesty I think some people just like complaining, simple as that.
And what do you recommend filmoss.. Do you want us to attempt greater things (That aren’t possible) and follow in the steps of the Glorious Portsmouth F.C etc??
I personally would prefer to watch and support my team, and see financial stability aswell.
At the end of the day some fans are just happy with their lot even though it aint a lot ie club run on a shoestring but financial stability and others would have liked to have seen Uncle Dave take a gamble to back up his sound bites ! I am in the latter camp and so therefore will forever be disillusioned ! :S
Again this is just an opinion, but if some aren’t happy with the club and how it is run.. Why do they continue to support the team?? Surely they could support someone they would be ‘happy’ with.. But in all honesty I think some people just like complaining, simple as that.
And what do you recommend filmoss.. Do you want us to attempt greater things (That aren’t possible) and follow in the steps of the Glorious Portsmouth F.C etc??
I personally would prefer to watch and support my team, and see financial stability aswell.[/quote]
Ah the old Portsmouth chestnut ! Don’t expect to ever finish in the top half then or expect the club to have enough depth in its squad to go on a good cup run because it will not happen ! I think I would prefer to compete on a more level playing surface and glean more satisfaction from our home performances than merely survive every season. The odd win every blue moon against the big boys (which I hasten to add shouldn’t really be a surprise because we are after all in the same league)just doesn’t do it for me because in-between there are too many lac lustre performances ! In my opinion ( Stats back this up ) under Bruce we had more success and to be honest the football wasn’t as bad as many make out. The sight of Camara running on to a lofted pass had many of us rising from our seats and there did seem to be a hell of a lot more penalty area action back then ! The wages have since been cut and the purse strings tied in a double knot but had we continued in the same vein financially as we did under Bruce I really don’t think there would have been an implosion !
At the end of the day some fans are just happy with their lot even though it aint a lot ie club run on a shoestring but financial stability and others would have liked to have seen Uncle Dave take a gamble to back up his sound bites ! I am in the latter camp and so therefore will forever be disillusioned ! :S
Again this is just an opinion, but if some aren’t happy with the club and how it is run.. Why do they continue to support the team?? Surely they could support someone they would be ‘happy’ with.. But in all honesty I think some people just like complaining, simple as that.
And what do you recommend filmoss.. Do you want us to attempt greater things (That aren’t possible) and follow in the steps of the Glorious Portsmouth F.C etc??
I personally would prefer to watch and support my team, and see financial stability aswell.[/quote]
Ah the old Portsmouth chestnut ! Don’t expect to ever finish in the top half then or expect the club to have enough depth in its squad to go on a good cup run because it will not happen ! I think I would prefer to compete on a more level playing surface and glean more satisfaction from our home performances than merely survive every season. The odd win every blue moon against the big boys (which I hasten to add shouldn’t really be a surprise because we are after all in the same league)just doesn’t do it for me because in-between there are too many lac lustre performances ! In my opinion ( Stats back this up ) under Bruce we had more success and to be honest the football wasn’t as bad as many make out. The sight of Camara running on to a lofted pass had many of us rising from our seats and there did seem to be a hell of a lot more penalty area action back then ! The wages have since been cut and the purse strings tied in a double knot but had we continued in the same vein financially as we did under Bruce I really don’t think there would have been an implosion ![/quote]
Don’t expect to finish in the top half then??.. Talk about defeatist!!
I fully expect us to finish in the top half at some point in the near future, and if not I still like to dream, you just seem to want to insult what si happening.If we invested a lot more money into the club (And risk financial difficulty) then what do you expect to gain, to finish a few places higher?? Would that make you happy?
We are coping well on a well run budget, and with the right work done and put into place I believe we can grow into a better team, we don’t need lump sums of money needlessly splashed out to be competitive.
We have coped and progressed over the years without overspending, and done well by sticking to our budget.. And I fully believe and have hope that we can continue to do so, so why not again? No need to put the Club at risk by spending/wasting big money. B)
Keep the faith!!
At the end of the day some fans are just happy with their lot even though it aint a lot ie club run on a shoestring but financial stability and others would have liked to have seen Uncle Dave take a gamble to back up his sound bites ! I am in the latter camp and so therefore will forever be disillusioned ! :S
Again this is just an opinion, but if some aren’t happy with the club and how it is run.. Why do they continue to support the team?? Surely they could support someone they would be ‘happy’ with.. But in all honesty I think some people just like complaining, simple as that.
And what do you recommend filmoss.. Do you want us to attempt greater things (That aren’t possible) and follow in the steps of the Glorious Portsmouth F.C etc??
I personally would prefer to watch and support my team, and see financial stability aswell.[/quote]
Ah the old Portsmouth chestnut ! Don’t expect to ever finish in the top half then or expect the club to have enough depth in its squad to go on a good cup run because it will not happen ! I think I would prefer to compete on a more level playing surface and glean more satisfaction from our home performances than merely survive every season. The odd win every blue moon against the big boys (which I hasten to add shouldn’t really be a surprise because we are after all in the same league)just doesn’t do it for me because in-between there are too many lac lustre performances ! In my opinion ( Stats back this up ) under Bruce we had more success and to be honest the football wasn’t as bad as many make out. The sight of Camara running on to a lofted pass had many of us rising from our seats and there did seem to be a hell of a lot more penalty area action back then ! The wages have since been cut and the purse strings tied in a double knot but had we continued in the same vein financially as we did under Bruce I really don’t think there would have been an implosion ![/quote]
Don’t expect to finish in the top half then??.. Talk about defeatist!!
I fully expect us to finish in the top half at some point in the near future, and if not I still like to dream, you just seem to want to insult what si happening.If we invested a lot more money into the club (And risk financial difficulty) then what do you expect to gain, to finish a few places higher?? Would that make you happy?
We are coping well on a well run budget, and with the right work done and put into place I believe we can grow into a better team, we don’t need lump sums of money needlessly splashed out to be competitive.
We have coped and progressed over the years without overspending, and done well by sticking to our budget.. And I fully believe and have hope that we can continue to do so, so why not again? No need to put the Club at risk by spending/wasting big money. B)
Keep the faith!![/quote]
Jamesc dont take the idiot on it’s raining and he has no windows to clean he will wind you up all day the bungling buffoon
Ah the old Portsmouth chestnut ! Don’t expect to ever finish in the top half then or expect the club to have enough depth in its squad to go on a good cup run because it will not happen ! I think I would prefer to compete on a more level playing surface and glean more satisfaction from our home performances than merely survive every season. The odd win every blue moon against the big boys (which I hasten to add shouldn’t really be a surprise because we are after all in the same league)just doesn’t do it for me because in-between there are too many lac lustre performances ! In my opinion ( Stats back this up ) under Bruce we had more success and to be honest the football wasn’t as bad as many make out. The sight of Camara running on to a lofted pass had many of us rising from our seats and there did seem to be a hell of a lot more penalty area action back then ! The wages have since been cut and the purse strings tied in a double knot but had we continued in the same vein financially as we did under Bruce I really don’t think there would have been an implosion !At the risk of being a pedant, Camara didn’t play for Bruce. He got shipped out on loan…. ;)
Anyway, that not why I’ve posted.
So, on the matter of investing and taking a risk, how much investment were you thinking of?
For each Premier League place, a club is awarded £750k, so based on last season, we’d earn an extra £7.5 million if we finished in 5th (I’m not being too ambitious and factoring in Champions League)
For winning the FA Cup, a club is awarded £3.4 million
For winning the League Cup, a club is awarded £100k
For reaching the Europa League Group Stage, a club is awarded £500k
And if this success filled our stadium each week and we charged £20 per ticket for the 5k extra – based on an estimate of 25 home games, we’d earn an extra £2.5 million
In summary – for finishing 5th, winning the FA Cup, winning the League Cup, reaching the Europa League Group Stage and filling our stadium every week, we’d bring in an extra £14 million.
Yes, it’s a simplistic view of it before anyone points that out, but the general theme is that it is one heck of a hope and a wing and a prayer for not a huge return.
Take out the League Cup win, and that’s the route Portsmouth took.
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