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That link mentions nothing of wine and steak or helicopters and holidays, and so shouldn’t be used as a reliable source, I bet whelans got more in coins down the back of his sofa than he’s spent on quality goalscorers in the last few years.
Don’t talk rubbish.
Whelan is a man of the people. He’s building that club near Wigan Tech for youngsters.
All the Premier League money was spent on ping pong tables, drinks cartons and smoking shelters.[/quote]
Are you talking about the N’Zogbia club for spoiled children?
Admittedly it’s an admirable thing to take all the little shits off the streets, but enough about all the signings from scotland, that youth club will shut within 18 months and Whelan will end up with another town centre development he can sell on at a profit.[/quote]
Itake it your not a big fan of SDW John :ohmy:
Are you talking about the N’Zogbia club for spoiled children?Admittedly it’s an admirable thing to take all the little shits off the streets, but enough about all the signings from scotland, that youth club will shut within 18 months and Whelan will end up with another town centre development he can sell on at a profit.
I think you’re belittling what Mr Whelan is trying to achieve.
The kids’ club is due to have football pitches, a gym etc, so in twelve months time:
‘Well Roberto, you asked for an improvement in training facilities……ta-da!’
Jr has done nothing since leaving, we don’t have the money to get a proven goalscorer, if we did they probably wouldn’t come, since benson went we don’t have the nouse to scout a prospect. That’s the top and bottom of it.
The joys of being a latics fan, oh for a decent cup run, oh never mind.
J.D. my point is we have had the money. The money we have spent on this lot in 6 years???( has anyone the figures?) We could have bought Lionel Messi. On the other hand you’ve got to ask yourself “Are they all Useless” or is it the way we play????[/quote]
In a previous spat I cant be arsed looking back for we had spent £89 million since enterimg the Prem and recouped £91 million hardly enough to recruit Messi[/quote]
If those figures are correct. Where has all the Sky and TV money gone??? seeing as on an earlier post, someone said that the wage bill was £27 million.[/quote]
Are you seriously asking this? This has been done to death almost every year since 2004.
In 2010 the wage-bill was £39 million and the club’s turnover – including Sky TV money was £43 million. Therefore, 90% of money coming into the club went on players’ salaries.
Have a read of this. It explains it in layman’s terms.
http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/wigan-athletics-unlikely-survival.html
I’m sure JPC01 could give you a more thorough explanation, but the gist of it is: we have no money.[/quote]
Sorry to disappoint. No can do. Excellent article. Fascinating insight. Thanks.
Interesting to see that the top 3 in the Prem have (or at least did have when the figures were used)the 3 biggest debts respectively !
On average, over 8 seasons, I’d say we’ve spent about 4 million a season on strikers, hardly messi money.To find the truth, sometimes you need to go right back to the beginning, remember at the start of all this, when uncle Dave said that jewell would have a 40 million warchest? Everyone has heard the legend, and Whelan gets slated for it to this day, but the truth is, that even if he put in a 40 million pound bid in for falcao, he wouldn’t come, if he said he’d pay 20 million and a hundred grand a week for even a Defoe, he wouldn’t come, and even a 10 million bid for someone like bent or Torres would be either rebuffed or a massive gamble anyway.
We are in the wrong league, end of, the gap between the rich and the poor is too wide, it is not a competition. And all the FFP rules in the world won’t change it.
We aren’t the only club in this situation, even arsenal and Liverpool are being cast adrift.
It’s just a big bunch of nothingness, a massive pile of shite, and we’re the ones expected to enjoy it, because it’s the best league in the world, well that’s only because sky say so, I trust my own judgement thank you very much, and I say this league is wank.
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I honestly though people had stopped harping on about the old warchest, but its back…… we will be running financial seminars in January for those who cant understand that a £40m warchest goes to paying wages as well as transfer fees…
As for being expected to watch it….. please take the door to the left and dont come back….
The who can we realistically sign debate is what put a taint on Jewell’s time at the club for me.
Constantly bemoaning being unable to bring players into the club yet following his departure Hutchings managed to sign Melchiot (very good player for us especially at the time!) Bruce managed to make a couple of good signings (as much as it pains me to say it) and Roberto has been more than competitive in the transfer market.
Perhaps players just didnt want to sign for him and I cant blame em he hasnt exactly set the footballing world alight since his departure.
The who can we realistically sign debate is what put a taint on Jewell’s time at the club for me.Constantly bemoaning being unable to bring players into the club yet following his departure Hutchings managed to sign Melchiot (very good player for us especially at the time!) Bruce managed to make a couple of good signings (as much as it pains me to say it) and Roberto has been more than competitive in the transfer market.
Perhaps players just didnt want to sign for him and I cant blame em he hasnt exactly set the footballing world alight since his departure.
Yes, there have been some decent signings, but most of them have been misfits (Melchiot was signed from Rennes after his contract had expired), largely unheard of in the UK, or from the SPL and lower leagues.
As much as people don’t want to hear it, low crowds and the threat of relegation each year have put players off joining us in the past.
The who can we realistically sign debate is what put a taint on Jewell’s time at the club for me.
Constantly bemoaning being unable to bring players into the club yet following his departure Hutchings managed to sign Melchiot (very good player for us especially at the time!) Bruce managed to make a couple of good signings (as much as it pains me to say it) and Roberto has been more than competitive in the transfer market.
Perhaps players just didnt want to sign for him and I cant blame em he hasnt exactly set the footballing world alight since his departure.
Yes, there have been some decent signings, but most of them have been misfits (Melchiot was signed from Rennes after his contract had expired), largely unheard of in the UK, or from the SPL and lower leagues.
As much as people don’t want to hear it, low crowds and the threat of relegation each year have put players off joining us in the past.[/quote]
They have to be misfits as established players won’t want to come.
With regards to your 2nd point.. I completely agree..Whether people want to hear it or not, it is fact.. Low crowds and relegation threats have clearly put people off wanting to come (Aswell as wages of course) :)
The who can we realistically sign debate is what put a taint on Jewell’s time at the club for me.
Constantly bemoaning being unable to bring players into the club yet following his departure Hutchings managed to sign Melchiot (very good player for us especially at the time!) Bruce managed to make a couple of good signings (as much as it pains me to say it) and Roberto has been more than competitive in the transfer market.
Perhaps players just didnt want to sign for him and I cant blame em he hasnt exactly set the footballing world alight since his departure.
Yes, there have been some decent signings, but most of them have been misfits (Melchiot was signed from Rennes after his contract had expired), largely unheard of in the UK, or from the SPL and lower leagues.
As much as people don’t want to hear it, low crowds and the threat of relegation each year have put players off joining us in the past.[/quote]
As sad as it is I dont think the low crowds or threat of relegation has half as much to do with it as how much £ per week is on offer.
Look at QPR for example lower crowds & odds on for the drop yet they got the pick of players available.
That being said it hasnt done them much good.
So while our inability to buy expensive players might be a problem at this level it has also proved to be our strength on many occasions playing a team full of motivated players wtih the want to better themselves individually and as a team.
I love what we have done as a club and wouldnt swap places with any other team.
The who can we realistically sign debate is what put a taint on Jewell’s time at the club for me.
Constantly bemoaning being unable to bring players into the club yet following his departure Hutchings managed to sign Melchiot (very good player for us especially at the time!) Bruce managed to make a couple of good signings (as much as it pains me to say it) and Roberto has been more than competitive in the transfer market.
Perhaps players just didnt want to sign for him and I cant blame em he hasnt exactly set the footballing world alight since his departure.
Yes, there have been some decent signings, but most of them have been misfits (Melchiot was signed from Rennes after his contract had expired), largely unheard of in the UK, or from the SPL and lower leagues.
As much as people don’t want to hear it, low crowds and the threat of relegation each year have put players off joining us in the past.[/quote]
As sad as it is I dont think the low crowds or threat of relegation has half as much to do with how much £ per week is on offer.
Look at QPR for example lower crowds & odds on for the drop yet they got the pick of players available.
That being said it hasnt done them much good.
So while our inability to buy expensive players might be a problem at this level it has also proved to be our strength on many occasions playing a team full of motivated players wtih the want to better themselves individually and as a team.
I love what we have done as a club and wouldnt swap places with any other team.[/quote]
Obviously I do believe wage is the main factor and crownds, relegation threat etc plays its part too..
I don’t think QPR is the ideal example as their crowds probably aren’t as low as ours, and also when the (Good, high profile) players signed for QPR they probably were’nt favourites for the drop as they were signed pre-season and would have had no idea how woeful they would be, they were probably promised a fantastic season ahead in all fairness which was probably believable given the cash they were spending and the calibre of players they were signing.
All in all I think our business is conducted well, every team is going to sign a flop now and again B)
The who can we realistically sign debate is what put a taint on Jewell’s time at the club for me.
Constantly bemoaning being unable to bring players into the club yet following his departure Hutchings managed to sign Melchiot (very good player for us especially at the time!) Bruce managed to make a couple of good signings (as much as it pains me to say it) and Roberto has been more than competitive in the transfer market.
Perhaps players just didnt want to sign for him and I cant blame em he hasnt exactly set the footballing world alight since his departure.
Yes, there have been some decent signings, but most of them have been misfits (Melchiot was signed from Rennes after his contract had expired), largely unheard of in the UK, or from the SPL and lower leagues.
As much as people don’t want to hear it, low crowds and the threat of relegation each year have put players off joining us in the past.[/quote]
As sad as it is I dont think the low crowds or threat of relegation has half as much to do with how much £ per week is on offer.
Look at QPR for example lower crowds & odds on for the drop yet they got the pick of players available.
That being said it hasnt done them much good.
So while our inability to buy expensive players might be a problem at this level it has also proved to be our strength on many occasions playing a team full of motivated players wtih the want to better themselves individually and as a team.
I love what we have done as a club and wouldnt swap places with any other team.[/quote]
Obviously I do believe wage is the main factor and crownds, relegation threat etc plays its part too..
I don’t think QPR is the ideal example as their crowds probably aren’t as low as ours, and also when the (Good, high profile) players signed for QPR they probably were’nt favourites for the drop as they were signed pre-season and would have had no idea how woeful they would be, they were probably promised a fantastic season ahead in all fairness which was probably believable given the cash they were spending and the calibre of players they were signing.
All in all I think our business is conducted well, every team is going to sign a flop now and again B)[/quote]
Fear not my processed chicken friend ;)
Average Attendance 2012/2013
Wigan 18,128
QPR 17,782Average Attendance 2011/2012
Wigan 18,634
QPR 17,295
On average, over 8 seasons, I’d say we’ve spent about 4 million a season on strikers, hardly messi money.To find the truth, sometimes you need to go right back to the beginning, remember at the start of all this, when uncle Dave said that jewell would have a 40 million warchest? Everyone has heard the legend, and Whelan gets slated for it to this day, but the truth is, that even if he put in a 40 million pound bid in for falcao, he wouldn’t come, if he said he’d pay 20 million and a hundred grand a week for even a Defoe, he wouldn’t come, and even a 10 million bid for someone like bent or Torres would be either rebuffed or a massive gamble anyway.
We are in the wrong league, end of, the gap between the rich and the poor is too wide, it is not a competition. And all the FFP rules in the world won’t change it.
We aren’t the only club in this situation, even arsenal and Liverpool are being cast adrift.
It’s just a big bunch of nothingness, a massive pile of shite, and we’re the ones expected to enjoy it, because it’s the best league in the world, well that’s only because sky say so, I trust my own judgement thank you very much, and I say this league is wank.
goodpost I actually AGREE with you, mate. I’ve felt the same since about the April of our first Premiership season. Let’s face it, and I know a lot of people won’t, we’ve been hanging on by our fingernails for the past 7 seasons. The squads have gradually got smaller and weaker, and any decent player who has performed consistently has been shipped out as soon as someone offers megabucks.
And there lies the problem for me. Ok, we ARE ‘Little Wigan’. That is accepted. We are a small club performing against clubs with far more money than us. Many would say our club is soundly managed, with manageable debts, a lot of which have been paid off in the main by the incoming transfer fees for the likes of Palacios (Circa 14 million, I believe), Valencia (Circa 17 million), Heskey (Circa 10 million? Was it?) and Baines (Circa 6 million).
Now, I fully understand our clubs need to be frugal, and be extra careful. But have we been TOO careful? Would it not have been a bit better had we reinvested more of these incoming fees towards new players? I’m not saying we should’ve gone and blown 10 million of Palacios’ 14 million fee, or 12 million of Valencia’s 17 million fee, but I really believe we should’ve invested more money in replacements than we have done. Instead, we have had an increasing number of players who have come in as freebies and cheap deals, and have never looked like being ample replacements. Think De Ridder, Mido, etc. Even Zaki who LOOKED the part, until his attitude imploded, wasn’t actually OUR player. We had him on a 1.5 million loan deal. Even if he had stayed the duration, I doubt we would’ve signed him as I bet Zamalek would’ve stumped up the price.I digress, but my point is, if we had been a bit bolder and reinvested more money in the side, probably leaving us with a bigger existing debt, we may have had more on-pitch success, rather than struggling to survive each season. This famed ‘warchest’ never existed. I wish people would realise that. And for me Martinez is another Arsene Wenger, in the fact that he doesn’t like to spend money. (Granted, he blew 6 million on Boselli….so might not be a bad thing!)
But gradually, we’ve gone worse and worse as a side, and I don’t like to say it, but I am very afraid for us this season. I just ccan’t see were the points are going to come from. That said, we probably SHOULD have gone down last season, but pulled off a run of form late on. I will be amazed if we do that again. Our small squad is showing clearly this season, with the injuries and suspensions, and I don’t think we will survive. Recalling Golobart from loan at Tranmere was a desperate move. And Martinez says he will need to bring in players…..says nothing of spending, which leaves me to believe it will be freebies and loanees…..the ‘cheap option’, again. Sorry, but I don’t like it. Penny pinching. Have a decent go at it, or don’t bother I reckon. The way he’s got that Ferrie Bodde in training with us….if his knee stands up, he will be in the squad before May. Why? Because he will cost us nowt. That’s why. Typical Wigan. And I am fed up of it.
Oh, and people keep going on about QPR and Hughes’ signings. Go on, look up the list of players who he signed. More than 15 players for 25 million. Look at the names….some decent players in there. I think QPR could dig their way out of it
The who can we realistically sign debate is what put a taint on Jewell’s time at the club for me.
Constantly bemoaning being unable to bring players into the club yet following his departure Hutchings managed to sign Melchiot (very good player for us especially at the time!) Bruce managed to make a couple of good signings (as much as it pains me to say it) and Roberto has been more than competitive in the transfer market.
Perhaps players just didnt want to sign for him and I cant blame em he hasnt exactly set the footballing world alight since his departure.
Yes, there have been some decent signings, but most of them have been misfits (Melchiot was signed from Rennes after his contract had expired), largely unheard of in the UK, or from the SPL and lower leagues.
As much as people don’t want to hear it, low crowds and the threat of relegation each year have put players off joining us in the past.[/quote]
As sad as it is I dont think the low crowds or threat of relegation has half as much to do with how much £ per week is on offer.
Look at QPR for example lower crowds & odds on for the drop yet they got the pick of players available.
That being said it hasnt done them much good.
So while our inability to buy expensive players might be a problem at this level it has also proved to be our strength on many occasions playing a team full of motivated players wtih the want to better themselves individually and as a team.
I love what we have done as a club and wouldnt swap places with any other team.[/quote]
Obviously I do believe wage is the main factor and crownds, relegation threat etc plays its part too..
I don’t think QPR is the ideal example as their crowds probably aren’t as low as ours, and also when the (Good, high profile) players signed for QPR they probably were’nt favourites for the drop as they were signed pre-season and would have had no idea how woeful they would be, they were probably promised a fantastic season ahead in all fairness which was probably believable given the cash they were spending and the calibre of players they were signing.
All in all I think our business is conducted well, every team is going to sign a flop now and again B)[/quote]
Fear not my processed chicken friend ;)
Average Attendance 2012/2013
Wigan 18,128
QPR 17,782Average Attendance 2011/2012
Wigan 18,634
QPR 17,295[/quote]I stand corrected Capt Spaulding!
Although these facts have surprised me, I wasn’t completely sure hence why I used the word ‘Probably’ in the sentence (Sort of covered myself) ;)
It does back up the fact that players won’t refuse to move solely based on crowds.. Although I still believe they (Crowd size) play their part, but we all know that some/most players out there won’t care as long as there is big money offered to them :)
More than 15 players for 25 million.The price tags were no great shakes but the 70K per week wages reported to be paid to the likes of Park with no relegation wage drop clause can only be considered insane at best.
More than 15 players for 25 million.
The price tags were no great shakes but the 70K per week wages reported to be paid to the likes of Park with no relegation wage drop clause can only be considered insane at best.[/quote]
Know what you mean, but I bet he’s not on that much money.
And lets be honest, if we had signed Park, most of us would’ve been very pleased and seen it as something of a ‘coup’.
Personally, I think he signed a decent bunch of players for that 25 million. Some proven players as well, who’ve played in the Premiership. Where as, we always take a chance on if a lad will be good enough at this level.
I think we’re too small minded as a club. Have done for a while.
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