Thing is with Boselli we will have recouped money in loan fee’s still have a fairly valuable asset and Roberto said in the fans forum that he will be back next season…
All is not lost as it would seem.
However a quick flash back allows us to compare this Boselli “tradgedy” to a £5million striker in the name of Marlon King of whom we would of paid VERY high wages and recouped nothing from him except a load of bad press.
Anyone who thinks Bruce was good for this club has as much foresight as a blindman.
In your argument Tyldesley you name a striker from pre premiership days I still go back to the argument that apart from the first season this club as failed to attract the kind of forward the most fragile of supporters of the club want we have never been prolific scorers in this league
It would be fair to say that even the lightside would agree with the Bosselli escapade but all in all Bobby has ad a much less budget to operate with than previous managers and for the future he may have less to operate with all we would hope is that one of these will come off
Naming a pre-prem striker wasn’t any real attempt to get round your argument. It was more a case of using them as an example to show the manager signed good & bad strikers. Jewell also bought some crap uns lower down e.g. David Graham
It was just an attempt to show that they signed good & bad players. Strikers in particular
I also acknowledge your point to a certain extent that Bobby operates on a lesser budget. I think that’s pretty much fact. Personally however i think that for £11mill we, as fans, are entitled to a far better goals return ration from those strikers than 1 in 15 – its appalling.
I know every signing is a gamble but his judgement has to be questionned on 3 in particular:
Scotland – a Scottish & lower league journeyman & one who wasn’t particularly well liked by the fans of the club he was playing at despite his goals return for them. At 31 years of age some form of alarm bell should have been ringing as to why he hadn’t played at the top level. Bobby said he was certain he would adapt immediately to the game at the top level (later amended to he wanted to ease him in). You didn’t have to watch him for long to see he wasn’t a top flight striker.
Boselli – by all accounts warned by his director football that he wasn’t suited to either the British game or Bobby’s system. He forced through the signing & again it didn’t take watching him long to realise that he can’t play as a lone striker
Di Santo – What was his goal return in almost 40 professional games in this country? 1 in 40? Poor in itself but again it doesn’t take long to realise he isn’t suited to playing a lone striker either
Sammon cost beans comparatively so isn’t really a gamble & Moreno was a loan so again doesn’t gamble much but you’re talking £10.5mill there on 3 players where, from the evidence so far (IMO) you seriously have to question his judgement
Which decent strikers did Bruce bring in, Tyldesley? Not having a dig, but I can’t rememeber any and I can’t be bothered trawling back.
If I’m honest Griff I didn’t think too deeply about it myself. I could only think of 3:
King, Zaki & Mido
Fair to say King was an expensive flop
Zaki I think was a barn storming success until his attitude began to stink
Mido – When i saw him I thought he was either superb or garbage. So jury was still out for me. Had a better goal per game ration than anyone Bobby has signed though
Can’t remember any others but for me one good, one bad & one indifferent
Thing is with Boselli we will have recouped money in loan fee’s still have a fairly valuable asset and Roberto said in the fans forum that he will be back next season…
All is not lost as it would seem.
However a quick flash back allows us to compare this Boselli “tradgedy” to a £5million striker in the name of Marlon King of whom we would of paid VERY high wages and recouped nothing from him except a load of bad press.
Anyone who thinks Bruce was good for this club has as much foresight as a blindman.
The club will have recouped some money in loan fees for Boselli. Yes he will still be a saleable asset but the club won’t get anywhere near the £6.5mill they paid for him so will take a hit.
To be fair as well, Bobby has said when he was dropped, when he was sent out to Genoa on loan, at the end of last season & during close season that Boselli would be back & would be a success yet he then sends him away again. Bobby talks alot of spin at these fans forums. Boselli was a flop & I’m pretty certain he’ll be flogged in the summer or sent out on loan again
With regards to Marlon King, IMO footballing wise he was a flop & an expensive one in much the same vein as Boselli. However in footballing terms the club still had a fairly valuable asset (isn’t he currently playing for a top 6 Championship side?) – he only became of no value for non-footballing reasons and when the club cancelled his contract (rightly in my opinion). No saying what will happen to Boselli for non-footballing reasons & then he too may become of no value as an asset. So I don’t think its fair to compare them in that respect – the club could have retained his registration & either played him or sold him when he was released as other clubs have done
As for Bruce like I have previously said, he made good & bad signings. On the pitch he’d got the club challenging for Europe until his team was sold out from under him so in that respect (for me) was good for the club.
Financially, the way I look at it is that he wasn’t spending money that Dave Whelan said he couldn’t have. He was spending money authorised by Whelan in terms of both fees & salaries – it only became an issue when Whelan decided things needed to be reigned in (an action I only question the timing of not the principle). In my own opinion purely in footballing terms he was better than Martinez – not perfect by any means & I know its subjective based not only on league position but also personal taste
With regards to Marlon King, IMO footballing wise he was a flop & an expensive one in much the same vein as Boselli. However in footballing terms the club still had a fairly valuable asset (isn’t he currently playing for a top 6 Championship side?) – he only became of no value for non-footballing reasons and when the club cancelled his contract (rightly in my opinion).
I agree with much of what you’ve posted Tyldesley, but in my opinion King was in excess of Boselli’s ‘floppage’.
He was £5.5 million, which for a Championship player is heck of a lot of money, and as he was signed on £40k a week deal, as soon as it was apparent that he wasn’t going to remain a permanent feature, his wages meant nobody wanted him.
He already had a reputation as being a misfit when he was signed, so in my opinion, I’d dispute the fact that he was ever a saleable asset, and from the minute he put pen to paper, we had a white elephant on our hands.
All that said, you can’t put the blame entirely on Bruce. Managers have an array of people (club employees, and otherwise) scouting, advising, and – you’d like to hope – running checks on potential signings. surely someone must have flagged up his chequered character somewhere along the way?
For the record, I’d still like to see Boselli given another go, and think he could have done a decent job in the current variation on formation and ever so slightly improved form.
With regards to Marlon King, IMO footballing wise he was a flop & an expensive one in much the same vein as Boselli. However in footballing terms the club still had a fairly valuable asset (isn’t he currently playing for a top 6 Championship side?) – he only became of no value for non-footballing reasons and when the club cancelled his contract (rightly in my opinion).
I agree with much of what you’ve posted Tyldesley, but in my opinion King was in excess of Boselli’s ‘floppage’.
He was £5.5 million, which for a Championship player is heck of a lot of money, and as he was signed on £40k a week deal, as soon as it was apparent that he wasn’t going to remain a permanent feature, his wages meant nobody wanted him.
He already had a reputation as being a misfit when he was signed, so in my opinion, I’d dispute the fact that he was ever a saleable asset, and from the minute he put pen to paper, we had a white elephant on our hands.
All that said, you can’t put the blame entirely on Bruce. Managers have an array of people (club employees, and otherwise) scouting, advising, and – you’d like to hope – running checks on potential signings. surely someone must have flagged up his chequered character somewhere along the way?
For the record, I’d still like to see Boselli given another go, and think he could have done a decent job in the current variation on formation and ever so slightly improved form.[/quote]
It’s a pity in January after not being able to bring in another striker we couldn’t call him back. I think with the number of chances we have created of late Boselli may have scored us a few goals.
With regards to Marlon King, IMO footballing wise he was a flop & an expensive one in much the same vein as Boselli. However in footballing terms the club still had a fairly valuable asset (isn’t he currently playing for a top 6 Championship side?) – he only became of no value for non-footballing reasons and when the club cancelled his contract (rightly in my opinion).
I agree with much of what you’ve posted Tyldesley, but in my opinion King was in excess of Boselli’s ‘floppage’.
He was £5.5 million, which for a Championship player is heck of a lot of money, and as he was signed on £40k a week deal, as soon as it was apparent that he wasn’t going to remain a permanent feature, his wages meant nobody wanted him.
He already had a reputation as being a misfit when he was signed, so in my opinion, I’d dispute the fact that he was ever a saleable asset, and from the minute he put pen to paper, we had a white elephant on our hands.
All that said, you can’t put the blame entirely on Bruce. Managers have an array of people (club employees, and otherwise) scouting, advising, and – you’d like to hope – running checks on potential signings. surely someone must have flagged up his chequered character somewhere along the way?
For the record, I’d still like to see Boselli given another go, and think he could have done a decent job in the current variation on formation and ever so slightly improved form.[/quote]
It’s a pity in January after not being able to bring in another striker we couldn’t call him back. I think with the number of chances we have created of late Boselli may have scored us a few goals.[/quote]
Can’t disagree with that hinders surely he would thrive on the amount chances in the last 2 games Butt ( and its a whoopie Goldberg size one) …
Di Santo did fantastically well to get on the end of those high and very direct passes and the constant crosses from the left (obviously did terrible to not score them afterwards) but would boselli have provided the same sort of movement and tactical awareness that is so important in that particular style of play??
Or am I just starting to sound like Martinez… Haha :)
With regards to Marlon King, IMO footballing wise he was a flop & an expensive one in much the same vein as Boselli. However in footballing terms the club still had a fairly valuable asset (isn’t he currently playing for a top 6 Championship side?) – he only became of no value for non-footballing reasons and when the club cancelled his contract (rightly in my opinion).
I agree with much of what you’ve posted Tyldesley, but in my opinion King was in excess of Boselli’s ‘floppage’.
He was £5.5 million, which for a Championship player is heck of a lot of money, and as he was signed on £40k a week deal, as soon as it was apparent that he wasn’t going to remain a permanent feature, his wages meant nobody wanted him.
He already had a reputation as being a misfit when he was signed, so in my opinion, I’d dispute the fact that he was ever a saleable asset, and from the minute he put pen to paper, we had a white elephant on our hands.
All that said, you can’t put the blame entirely on Bruce. Managers have an array of people (club employees, and otherwise) scouting, advising, and – you’d like to hope – running checks on potential signings. surely someone must have flagged up his chequered character somewhere along the way?
For the record, I’d still like to see Boselli given another go, and think he could have done a decent job in the current variation on formation and ever so slightly improved form.[/quote]
It’s a pity in January after not being able to bring in another striker we couldn’t call him back. I think with the number of chances we have created of late Boselli may have scored us a few goals.[/quote]
Can’t disagree with that hinders surely he would thrive on the amount chances in the last 2 games Butt ( and its a whoopie Goldberg size one) …
Di Santo did fantastically well to get on the end of those high and very direct passes and the constant crosses from the left (obviously did terrible to not score them afterwards) but would boselli have provided the same sort of movement and tactical awareness that is so important in that particular style of play??
Or am I just starting to sound like Martinez… Haha :)[/quote]