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The recent signings were lined up prior to him arriving but Cook gave them the all clear to bring them in.
It’s widely accepted that Caldwell’s signings were his men & no doubt led to his departure probably sooner than most expected coz it had caused a bit of ill feeling between him & Sharpe coz he wasn’t using what Sharpe (& Matt Jackson) had put in place.
When virtually every signing brought in under Joyce had been with him at United (including Obertan) it’s pretty clear that these were Joyce’s men rather than any committee.
No (or little) blame attached to any transfer committee & some even argue that Sharpe & Jackson should have refused some of these signings.On top of that Cook has no doubt had the committee method of recruitment explained to him & accepted it in spite of Pompey offering him increased terms. He’s happy with it yet some fans think they know better.
In terms of the keepers – jasskelainen was past it. Gilks was an average keeper signed from the reserves of a 3rd place team in an extremely poor league. There are far better out there than him & I’ve no doubt that both Cook & the committee are working on brining one or 2 in yet people are flapping coz with 4 & a bit weeks to the start of the season we haven’t brought one in. Gilks also engineered his move away.
Back to your original point I just don’t see the link between Shrewsbury signing an u20 from United & the committee being poor despite having brought in 3 players already all of whom were being courted by other Lge1 clubs
Hang on am i missing something?
Caldwell caused ill feeling because he signed players outside the recruitment policy and was given the boot, then who rubber stamped those signings? (Or did Caldwell fund the signings from his own pocket?)
In comes YFJ and is given a free reign bringing in duds and crocks that he knew from Utd? Albeit these signing were made in January when most of the people connected with Latics knew YFJ was bloody clueless, same question….Who rubber stamped those signings?
Scratching my head at that one pal!
Fuck the EFL
Can I just say that I think Jack Byrne will prove to be a very good signing by Joyce. And I think Bogle will be too.
Can I just say that I think Jack Byrne will prove to be a very good signing by Joyce. And I think Bogle will be too.Welcome back VAT. I agree with your statement above, not all Yoothas’ signings or Caldwells for that matter were bad. They were forced into a situation to have to recruit so many players by the transfer/retainment strategy that WAFC rightly or wrongly operate, so there was obviously going to be a lot of players that didn’t fit in or make the grade.
BTW VAT, Have you renewed yet? And why have you not voted on the ‘Clueless git’ poll?
The recent signings were lined up prior to him arriving but Cook gave them the all clear to bring them in.
It’s widely accepted that Caldwell’s signings were his men & no doubt led to his departure probably sooner than most expected coz it had caused a bit of ill feeling between him & Sharpe coz he wasn’t using what Sharpe (& Matt Jackson) had put in place.
Now I’m baffled tilders lad, you say the committee is there to sort out transfers the manager identifies then you reckon Caldwell gets sacked for using his choices not those of Sharpie and co. This is my very gripe I want the manager to pick his players and if like Caldwell they flop miserably then you can the guy for being inept. I believe PC is the right guy for this club and I trust him to build a good side, I don’t trust Sharpey and co to do the same. I want the latter to do their proper job and run the club in the same brilliant way grandad did. Cookie has Peter Reid with him and there is more than enough experience there to handle the playing side of things. Sharpey has a tough enough job on his hands as it is.
Can I just say that I think Jack Byrne will prove to be a very good signing by Joyce. And I think Bogle will be too.
Welcome back VAT. I agree with your statement above, not all Yoothas’ signings or Caldwells for that matter were bad. They were forced into a situation to have to recruit so many players by the transfer/retainment strategy that WAFC rightly or wrongly operate, so there was obviously going to be a lot of players that didn’t fit in or make the grade.
BTW VAT, Have you renewed yet? And why have you not voted on the ‘Clueless git’ poll?[/quote]
Renewed last week. We’ve gone in East Stand though, rather than the south. Not seen the poll…I’ll have a look.
Committe advised him not sign them but he did anyway.Sharp n Jackson support the manager.
How did he do that Stu?
The recent signings were lined up prior to him arriving but Cook gave them the all clear to bring them in.
It’s widely accepted that Caldwell’s signings were his men & no doubt led to his departure probably sooner than most expected coz it had caused a bit of ill feeling between him & Sharpe coz he wasn’t using what Sharpe (& Matt Jackson) had put in place.
Now I’m baffled tilders lad, you say the committee is there to sort out transfers the manager identifies then you reckon Caldwell gets sacked for using his choices not those of Sharpie and co. This is my very gripe I want the manager to pick his players and if like Caldwell they flop miserably then you can the guy for being inept. I believe PC is the right guy for this club and I trust him to build a good side, I don’t trust Sharpey and co to do the same. I want the latter to do their proper job and run the club in the same brilliant way grandad did. Cookie has Peter Reid with him and there is more than enough experience there to handle the playing side of things. Sharpey has a tough enough job on his hands as it is.
We’re obviously talking at cross purposes then. My point (whoever convoluted I may have made it!!) was that posters are having a dig at the transfer committee when most of the dud buys in recent times have been the ones pushed through by the manager when those at the top of the club were a bit iffy about them to say the least.
Personally, rather than leaving it solely down to the manager, as you do, I prefer the system the club is trying to put in place but agree that the manager needs a final yay or nay on them.The recruitemnt side of things is obviously something that those at the top are not happy with – I believe it lay behind the relatively quick sacking of Caldwell but the fact that Jackson was also pushed out leads me to believe that Sharpe wasn’t happy with how that was working either.
if the relationship & job delegation between manager & the committee is clear & agreed by all concerned (& Cook certainly seems to have agreed to it) then there is no problem.
I was just a bit baffled as to how Shrewsbury signing a keeper on loan could be linked to a criticism of the transfer committee or the decision to release a 40 odd year old keeper & another keeper forcing a move
Hang on am i missing something?Caldwell caused ill feeling because he signed players outside the recruitment policy and was given the boot, then who rubber stamped those signings? (Or did Caldwell fund the signings from his own pocket?)
In comes YFJ and is given a free reign bringing in duds and crocks that he knew from Utd? Albeit these signing were made in January when most of the people connected with Latics knew YFJ was bloody clueless, same question….Who rubber stamped those signings?
Scratching my head at that one pal!
Not sure what there is to scratch your head about.
Sharpe set up the transfer committee so that the mistakes of the Rosler era were not repeated.
Caldwell doesn’t seem to have been a fan of it & (as another poster has stated) put his foot down about signings that the committee were against. Sharpe backed his manager (as I’d expect a chairman to do) & many of the committee’s concerns about players were proved right. When those players struggled & results weren’t going our way it gave Sharpe the excuse to bin him offSame thing really in the Joyce era – Sharpe backed his manager as you would expect a chairman to do & it backfired.
Yes Sharpe was in charge during both of these periods but he clearly wasn’t happy with recruitment & has put a system in place to try & ensure that they’re not repeated.
Sharpe’s made mistakes & no doubt will do again in the future but he does appear to be trying to learn from them
Committe advised him not sign them but he did anyway.
Sharp n Jackson support the manager.
How did he do that Stu?[/quote]
He has the final say thats how. He can use the advice or not. Bobby did with boselli against jonny bemsons wishes
Can I just say that I think Jack Byrne will prove to be a very good signing by Joyce. And I think Bogle will be too.
Welcome back VAT. I agree with your statement above, not all Yoothas’ signings or Caldwells for that matter were bad. They were forced into a situation to have to recruit so many players by the transfer/retainment strategy that WAFC rightly or wrongly operate, so there was obviously going to be a lot of players that didn’t fit in or make the grade.
BTW VAT, Have you renewed yet? And why have you not voted on the ‘Clueless git’ poll?[/quote]
Renewed last week. We’ve gone in East Stand though, rather than the south. Not seen the poll…I’ll have a look.[/quote]
Glad to hear it, for a while I thought you were disillusioned and was going to boycott our beloved club.
The East Stand is far better than than the South, but not as good as the warmth and comfort gained in the West Stand where us ‘oldies’ are.
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