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That Liverpool team was a bit special though.
Which is why the Wimbledon win was all the more remarkable. Liverpool had lost twice in the league all season and won the title by 9 points. As English clubs were banned from Europe, they simply had nothing to play for in that Final, which suited Wimbledon – a club spending their 2nd season in the top flight and their 11th in the football league.
Nuneaton – Your version of the 2013 game seems at odds with the stats as to who was the better side. Man City (who had already qualified for the Champions League and were about to change their manager) had 12 shots on target that game (against Wigan’s 7) and 52% possession.
52% gets the country out of the EU, so it must be a valid stat!
The similarity between 2013 and 1988 is that both winners were playing sides who, whilst winning would have been nice, wasn’t essential to European entry.[/quote]
Yeah. It was crap..
Not like that Wigoon win in the world club challengeFirstly welcome back mutt, now compare the costs of the squads Liverpool and Wimbledon then compare how much our squad cost compared to City,s and you will find a vast difference. Had Spurs or Chelsea won the cup that year it wouldn’t have been an upset yet they both finished well below Wimbledon in the table. Also how can the 88 final even come close to 73 or 76? They were proper upsets yet Sunderland or Southampton never get the plaudits Wimbledon seem to do. Liverpool were a great side no doubts but that day missed a hat full of chances and even a penalty. Do you really believe that City were better than us when we won it mutt.
Do you really believe that City were better than us when we won it mutt.You don’t really expect him to answer that do you nun, it might come across as a compliment.
Thanks Nuneaton!
I’m too young to remember the 1973 or 1976 finals, but I would say that anytime a side from a lower league wins the FA Cup, it would rank as a bigger upset than a winner from the bottom of the same division against a side at the top. In terms of 1988 Liverpool or 2013 Man City, then I’d have to say as Egg did that the Liverpool of the 1980s were a class apart and a fantastic team, whereas Man City were a group of extremely expensive individuals that on their day can rip any side apart.
My personal recollections of 2013 are that in the eyes of the purists it was largely forgettable. Ive never watched a re-run of it (perhaps I should). But honestly, other than Watson’s winner, I cant remember much apart from the people in the row in front of me were drunk and left before the end(!) and my son’s 7 inch pizza was almost a tenner!
Back on topic though – Barrow would be an awful choice as permanent manager. Just because he’s been Mr Latics for half his life doesn’t make him a good manager, and he’s a bit long in the tooth to be starting out on that path. I saw somewhere on here the name Nigel Adkins suggested – that sort of appointment wouldn’t be a bad call.
I said all this would happen about 5 years ago. I am not going to go into the Whelan family bashing etc etc but you all know my stance on that anyway. The only way Wigan Athletic can get out of this is by appointing a personality whether it be in the championship or league one. There is only one man that can drag the best out of or get rid of the weak player. Step forward Roy Keane. It won’t happen though, Sharpe, like his granddad will always go for the cheap option and hope for the best so he can pocket more cash. Beware Latics fans, Barrow WILL be permanent manager next season.
Why are you so shocked? Since relegation from the Prem its all been about cheap options. End of the day there is a kid now running the club, second and third generation are rarely as good as first in business.Every dog has its day and we’ve had ours. If somebody had said to you twelve years ago you will have eight years in the prem, beat all the top sides, play United in a EFL cup final, beat City in the FA Cup final and play in Europe but end up back where we came from you would have all taken it!
But why accept that? Dave Whelan came in and promised to progress the club not ruin it. Why not strive for more? Because unfortunately that was never the intention for the owners. It was always money first and anything else was a bonus. Now these people are martyrs and will leave the club probably out of business so what is better, having a lower league club doing ok or having a once fairly successful club that no longer exists? The men who created Wigan Athletic in the 1930’s (i think) after years of failed teams would have wanted a town team that could have competed at league level not be a pawn for one man’s millions idea to extract as much out the team and people of the town as he could and then destroy everything it ever stood for. It’s easy to be blinded by recent success but is it worth throwing nearly a hundred years away for. No me neither.
My personal recollections of 2013 are that in the eyes of the purists it was largely forgettable.So it has to be a good game for the purists to be a shock?
If this club won the Champions league the World cup the boat race and Eurovision song contest there would still be some moaning gets on here whinging about summat.And too fookin right we do !, that’s because we care about the club. I pay my money to be entertained, what I’m seeing at the moment is some of the worse football in my 40years as a latics fan.
The league and stats don’t lie. I bet your one of those:- “Eeeeeee, never mind, look at Wimbledon !!”,
There you go, we all feel much better now now ….ffs….Why are you so shocked? Since relegation from the Prem its all been about cheap options. End of the day there is a kid now running the club, second and third generation are rarely as good as first in business.
Every dog has its day and we’ve had ours. If somebody had said to you twelve years ago you will have eight years in the prem, beat all the top sides, play United in a EFL cup final, beat City in the FA Cup final and play in Europe but end up back where we came from you would have all taken it!
But why accept that? Dave Whelan came in and promised to progress the club not ruin it. Why not strive for more? Because unfortunately that was never the intention for the owners. It was always money first and anything else was a bonus. Now these people are martyrs and will leave the club probably out of business so what is better, having a lower league club doing ok or having a once fairly successful club that no longer exists? The men who created Wigan Athletic in the 1930’s (i think) after years of failed teams would have wanted a town team that could have competed at league level not be a pawn for one man’s millions idea to extract as much out the team and people of the town as he could and then destroy everything it ever stood for. It’s easy to be blinded by recent success but is it worth throwing nearly a hundred years away for. No me neither.[/quote]
I’ve read plenty strained, misguided and convoluted Whelan bashing on here over the years but this is up there with the best.
And before you write a piece like that a bit of research into the history of Wigan Athletic wouldn’t go amiss to show you are at least trying. When the club was actually formed would be a good start. It isn’t difficult, it says so on the club’s badge in easy to read numbers.If this club won the Champions league the World cup the boat race and Eurovision song contest there would still be some moaning gets on here whinging about summat.
And too fookin right we do !, that’s because we care about the club. I pay my money to be entertained, what I’m seeing at the moment is some of the worse football in my 40years as a latics fan.
The league and stats don’t lie. I bet your one of those:- “Eeeeeee, never mind, look at Wimbledon !!”,
There you go, we all feel much better now now ….ffs….[/quote]Moaning about the present, manager tactics players etc is something we all do that’s only natural but some constantly slag off the club and its owners despite what has been achieved. As a fan of over 40 yrs I’m surprised you feel like that marrer coz you have been on the journey the whole way as many of us have. Yes it hasn’t been fun for the past few years but surely the progress made since our times as a fan has earned the club some patience and a whole heap of respect. We all feel shite at present but it doesn’t help when a few on here spout vitriol you would normally expect from the other lot who follow the joke sport. If we go down we go down it just means we come back again however long it takes. Up the Tics.
In all honesty and seriousness, I’ve had a good think about things and what’s happening and all that and to be honest, I think I’ve changed my mind.
Graham Barrow has impressed me with his comments, his honesty, his clear passion for the club. Stuff he has said this week, we can all relate to as fans. Peter Atherton, assisting him, is another. A local lad with a genuine passion for the club.
We could bring someone in, from outside the club, but are in a can’t win situation. If they do a good job and have us going good, it won’t take long for some bigger club to come sniffing and nab them away. At least with Graham Barrow we will get a greater degree of loyalty, with him and his family settled locally and all that. Providing he does a decent job, I’ll support him all the way.But let’s see what happens today. It’s a test of character of the players, and let’s see just how things can be different with another man calling the shots. Be interesting to see how we set up. If we do our best, but lose 3-2, I can accept that. What we can’t accept, is a repeat of the turgid rubbish that we saw under Joyce, which would then have us question the actual players.
We were a Prem side in our 8th consecutive season, not quite the ‘Roy Of The Rovers’ story some make out in my book! Of course City had spent millions upon millions on their squad and yes they were long odds on favourites but the FA Cup provides shocks from time to time! If we had been in a lower division then yeah but come on, we were established in the top flight of English football! Now I know that we struggled the majority of the time in the Prem and eventually capitulated but I do think from our time spent in the Prem that we should now actually be a club that should be able to hold it’s own in the Championship! Alas, since our fall from grace there has been a plethora of bad business dealings and decisions by the club, some quite eye opening and in my opinion bordering on amateuristic! We are not that ‘Little Wigan’ anymore, we have a stadium that holds about 25000 and the last 15 years have seen Mr Whelan’s cash injection come to fruition! I just think that handled better the club could be doing a hell of a lot better than what it has been. Forget the days of old, they are history! Forward thinking is the way forward ( See what I did there!)
See you at Goole !
I find it quite pathetic that so called fans seem to dismiss the achievement of winning the FA Cup as nothing particularly special. Yes we were enjoying our eighth season in the PL but for most of that time were we escaping relegation by the skin of our teeth, so hardly established in that sense.
Leaving aside Portsmouth’s win in 2008 when they were spending mega bucks at the time and finished 8th in the league, which incidentally bankrupt the club and who are now languishing in the 4th tier, the last time an unfashionable club won the cup was Wimbledon in 1988, some 25 years earlier. That was before the PL was invented and the billionaires got involved so hardly a good comparison.
So until another unfashionable “established” PL club comes along and wins the thing – and it won’t happen this season – I will consider our FA Cup win to be up there as one of the all-time remarkable achievements.[/quote]
Completely misinterpreted what I was saying…..Again! The FA Cup WAS superb but in the context of things not your ‘Roy Of The Rovers’ kind of story seeing as we had been in the Prem for 8 seasons but you will continue to try and chip away at me won’t you Samantha! Loosen that tie! Look at some of the runners up over the last 15 or so years, some pretty unfashionable clubs in there who could have pulled off a shock like us and yes it was a shock that we won it but just NOT that massive a shock! By the way, the old ‘Portsmouth’ tale is getting a little hackneyed now! We are NOT Portsmouth, our club has been run completely differently to them albeit a bit badly of late!
The FA Cup Final victory was a massive achievement for our club, and will live forever in the hearts and minds of all Latics fans.
It may not have been the greatest of upsets with it being two PL sides, but to Latics fans it was and always will be the greatest day ever in our time supporting our fantastic club.
The fact that we actually got to the FA Cup Final was probably more shocking than everything that followed especially when you consider the season we had had trying to fend off relegation.
I personally thought our cup run would end at the first hurdle when Bournemouth held us at home, I never expected us to win the replay.
In all your years watching us did any of you ever really expect to watch the Latics in a FA Cup Final, never mind to actually go on and win the bloody thing? I still find it a bit unbelievable.
The FA Cup Final victory was a massive achievement for our club, and will live forever in the hearts and minds of all Latics fans.It may not have been the greatest of upsets with it being two PL sides, but to Latics fans it was and always will be the greatest day ever in our time supporting our fantastic club.
The fact that we actually got to the FA Cup Final was probably more shocking than everything that followed especially when you consider the season we had had trying to fend off relegation.
I personally thought our cup run would end at the first hurdle when Bournemouth held us at home, I never expected us to win the replay.
In all your years watching us did any of you ever really expect to watch the Latics in a FA Cup Final, never mind to actually go on and win the bloody thing? I still find it a bit unbelievable.
Once we got into the Prem and especially getting to the League Cup final in that first season, yes I did believe we were capable of getting to an FA Cup final because the big clubs invariably play weakened sides! The whole point I was trying to make was that we should be capable of holding our own in The Championship these days and something has clearly gone wrong! Bad management of the club is to blame in my opinion!
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