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    i’ve always said players have to take the blame for poor displayes and results, and thats why i feel sorry for managers who get sacked, but in our case i think we have some decent players at the club and a squad that is quite capable of avoiding relegation, compared to some of the teams i’ve seen this season. however its the style of play at the moment that is not working and that has to go down to the manager and the coaching staff.why do we always have to play the ball out from the back, teams have sussed it like the incident with al habsi and mccarthey yesterday, we are putting ourselves under pressure straight away. why does al habsi have to kick the ball to the left all the time, we’ve been sussed again. why cant we take a throw in to our oum players, lost count of the times when we threw the ball straight to one of their players. why do we have to play tip tap in midfield all the time, looks good when it comes off but more often than not we end up loosing it. why can we not take a corner, why are we shit at free kicks and set pieces. i dont know what the answer is if i did i wouldnt be working in a factory, as ive said i think we have the quality of players to stay up but somthing has to change with our style of play and thats down to the manager.

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    It’s the exact same style of play that saw us win seven out of nine last season.

    I said that there was no way that Southampton could keep up that effort and energy for 90 minutes, but they certainly did.

    Yes, we didn’t cope well with it and I think Bob’s tactics were too needlessly defensive when we went ahead. Asking for trouble if you ask me.

    Yet, we didn’t lose, haven’t been cut adrift, and still have a good chance of surviving. Performances need to improve undoubtedly, but no need to press the panic button.

    Biggest positive from yesterday? I sold two more copies of my book in the Brick pre-match.

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    It’s the exact same style of play that saw us win seven out of nine last season.

    Absolutely correct. Southampton did to us what we were doing to teams at the back end of last season.

    I think that was a good point gained against a side that are playing far better than their league position suggests. They were very unlucky not to come away with at least a point from Old Trafford on Wednesday and had United pinned in their own half, playing hoof-ball and hanging on for much of the second half. Something you rarely see and even more surprising when you consider United are 10 points clear at the top. The disappointing performances were against Fulham, Sunderland and Stoke – three very average teams – where we only started playing in the second half. Those games should have been won.

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    It’s the exact same style of play that saw us win seven out of nine last season.

    I said that there was no way that Southampton could keep up that effort and energy for 90 minutes, but they certainly did.

    Yes, we didn’t cope well with it and I think Bob’s tactics were too needlessly defensive when we went ahead. Asking for trouble if you ask me.

    Yet, we didn’t lose, haven’t been cut adrift, and still have a good chance of surviving. Performances need to improve undoubtedly, but no need to press the panic button.

    Biggest positive from yesterday? I sold two more copies of my book in the Brick pre-match.

    it is the exact style of play as last season but as i said we have been sussed. teams know we are going to play the ball out from the back so leave men up to put pressure on our defenders. they know the keeper is going to kick the ball to the left every time. they know we are going to take short corners. they know we knock it around in midfield. all southampton did yesterday is their homework, we need to mix it up a bit and try somthing different. no we didn’t loose but they are games we should be winning at home. iam not pressing the panic button but my hand is hovering just above it.

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    Argus69Neil Ferguson
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    We also had Moses last season and Nzogbia the season before.

    Players who could produce a bit of magic and score a goal out of nothing.

    We don’t appear at present have that now !!

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    Moses could score a goal out of nothing? He has scored 20 goals since 2007! 8 of those were for us in 74 games. That’s a goal per 9 and a quarter games! We’re well shut of him in my opinion.

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    Argus69Neil Ferguson
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    Moses could score a goal out of nothing? He has scored 20 goals since 2007! 8 of those were for us in 74 games. That’s a goal per 9 and a quarter games! We’re well shut of him in my opinion.

    Yeah we haven’t missed him at all since he left.

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    Nope, we’re still missing N’Zogbia. Moses was just a his poor replacement. If memory serves correct, Moses couldn’t even get in the team whilst N’Zogbia was here.

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    Nope, we’re still missing N’Zogbia. Moses was just a his poor replacement. If memory serves correct, Moses couldn’t even get in the team whilst N’Zogbia was here.

    Moses is one of the best wingers we have ever had. What he lacked in goals he more than made up for in his approach play. Many a team would double up on him giving other players space and time.

    Granted, he couldn’t hit a barn door but I’d have him back any day.

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    If he can’t score and constantly refuses to pass to somebody who is much more capable of scoring, he is a complete waste of space as far as I’m concerned. Can you tell I was never a fan? :lol:

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    If he can’t score and constantly refuses to pass to somebody who is much more capable of scoring, he is a complete waste of space as far as I’m concerned. Can you tell I was never a fan? :lol:

    I’m curious, who was “much more capable of scoring”… :huh:

    His play in and around the 18yrd box was defo suspect, but he was quality going forward from midfield.

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    If he can’t score and constantly refuses to pass to somebody who is much more capable of scoring, he is a complete waste of space as far as I’m concerned. Can you tell I was never a fan? :lol:

    I’m curious, who was “much more capable of scoring”… :huh:

    His play in and around the 18yrd box was defo suspect, but he was quality going forward from midfield.[/quote]
    Moses was a show pony. A few tricks here and there and Match of The Day made him look a superstar – but didn’t broadcast the dozen other times he ran up a blind alley or shot when cutting the ball back would have resulted in a clear chance for someone else to miss…

    A better winger (though I don’t consider Moses a winger) was Valencia.

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    If you like quick wingers that run at and can take on defenders, may I also point you in the direction of Gary Teale.

    Funny you should ask who I think has a better scoring rate than Moses as I have just compiled it on another thread. As you will see, Moses as the same scoring rate as Ryan Taylor, and nearly half that of Emile Heskey.

    Amr Zaki 2.9
    Aroune Kone 3.5
    Henri Camara 3.5
    Jason Roberts 4.3
    Marcus Bent 4.4
    Hugo Rodallega 4.7
    Charles N’Zogbia 5.5
    Emile Heskey 5.5
    Franco Di Santo 6.2
    Lee McCulloch 6.6
    Antonio Valencia 7.8
    Jordi Gomez 8.3
    Jimmy Bullard 9
    Ryan Taylor 9.3
    Victor Moses 9.3

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    If he can’t score and constantly refuses to pass to somebody who is much more capable of scoring, he is a complete waste of space as far as I’m concerned. Can you tell I was never a fan? :lol:

    I’m curious, who was “much more capable of scoring”… :huh:

    His play in and around the 18yrd box was defo suspect, but he was quality going forward from midfield.[/quote]
    Moses was a show pony. A few tricks here and there and Match of The Day made him look a superstar – but didn’t broadcast the dozen other times he ran up a blind alley or shot when cutting the ball back would have resulted in a clear chance for someone else to miss…

    A better winger (though I don’t consider Moses a winger) was Valencia.[/quote]

    Valencia would be my pick for best ever winger (even better than griffiths). As i said he was not the best in and around the box but time will tell with Moses. Reckon he will improve even more at Chelsea

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    If you like quick wingers that run at and can take on defenders, may I also point you in the direction of Gary Teale.

    Funny you should ask who I think has a better scoring rate than Moses as I have just compiled it on another thread. As you will see, Moses as the same scoring rate as Ryan Taylor, and nearly half that of Emile Heskey.

    Amr Zaki 2.9
    Aroune Kone 3.5
    Henri Camara 3.5
    Jason Roberts 4.3
    Marcus Bent 4.4
    Hugo Rodallega 4.7
    Charles N’Zogbia 5.5
    Emile Heskey 5.5
    Franco Di Santo 6.2
    Lee McCulloch 6.6
    Antonio Valencia 7.8
    Jordi Gomez 8.3
    Jimmy Bullard 9
    Ryan Taylor 9.3
    Victor Moses 9.3

    Ahem. I actually thought Gary Teale was a decent winger.

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