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I’ve not managed to listen to this interview with Whelan, the link thing doesn’t work. However, if the gist of it is around Zog wanting £60 k per week to stay that means if owd grey bonce had coughed up then Charlie would still be a latics player?? :think:
[link2:33kerwoj]60k per week,http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/hawksbee-and-jacobs/blog/2011-08-05/whelan-%E2%80%98n%E2%80%99zogbia-wanted-%C2%A360000-week-stay-wigan%E2%80%99%5B/link2:33kerwoj%5D
I’m not having a go at DW for not paying that amount to a player, but all the things Zog has been saying about wanting to join a bigger club, wanting to better himself :teasing-blah: is a load of bollux. :x
It was purely and simply a money thing after all. :naughty:
From Matlock to ManU
What a journey!i think most people on here will have left a job they like/love at some stage in there life for a big pay rise.
i think also that nzogbia must have been happy with us and liked playing here, but at the end of the day he could see other premiership players with half his skill level earning twice as much as him,
if you remember bruce had nearly got palacious to stay until spurs bettered the 60k a week man city had offered him in a late bid, that sort of money probably double of what we pay will sway any deal.
no matter what the press say about nzogbia – moody,greedy etc., he has been straight with wafc and that is why whelan let him have such a smooth transfer.i think most people on here will have left a job they like/love at some stage in there life for a big pay rise.i think also that nzogbia must have been happy with us and liked playing here, but at the end of the day he could see other premiership players with half his skill level earning twice as much as him,
if you remember bruce had nearly got palacious to stay until spurs bettered the 60k a week man city had offered him in a late bid, that sort of money probably double of what we pay will sway any deal.
no matter what the press say about nzogbia – moody,greedy etc., he has been straight with wafc and that is why whelan let him have such a smooth transfer.Correct – and fair play to both player and owner on how this was handled over the past few months.
At the end of the day if we pay a player 60K a week it is going to make other players ask why they are not on similar money.
It’s not all about paying one player 60k a week it’s about the whole wage structure at the club. We don’t want to follow all those other clubs into administration.
Losing Charlie will not kill our team. Our success depends on being a nurturing ground for younger talent and then selling it on.
Unless we can find a multi-billionaire who supports the Latics of course
i think most people on here will have left a job they like/love at some stage in there life for a big pay rise.Rubbish.
We generally go for a big pay rise to get that extra holiday or to ensure long term financial security for our families what has this fellow earned by taking a pay rise?
more money yes but the same things he was entitled to beforehand.
i think most people on here will have left a job they like/love at some stage in there life for a big pay rise.
Rubbish.
We generally go for a big pay rise to get that extra holiday or to ensure long term financial security for our families what has this fellow earned by taking a pay rise?
more money yes but the same things he was entitled to beforehand.[/quote]
B0ll0x
you talk jack sh1te…….
can you see how that opening gambit will infuriate someone………….. (I’d rather you were retired than a retired fan……..which one is it?)
Either way, business has been done in ‘2011’ fashion and not your year (or indeed mine) fashion. We must try to move on in how the world ‘rotates’. As the country ‘elders’ we must teach the generation below…unfotunately Mr Orwell saw it before us….
“Each generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it.”
Which makes us extinct………what do you say.
;)
Rubbish.We generally go for a big pay rise to get that extra holiday or to ensure long term financial security for our families what has this fellow earned by taking a pay rise?
more money yes but the same things he was entitled to beforehand.
It’s not rubbish.
Everyone wants to earn more money to live better and buy bigger.
It’s exactly what he’s done.
Instead of a £250k car, he wants a £500k car; instead of a holiday at Sandy Lane each summer, he wants his own house in Barbados.
i think most people on here will have left a job they like/love at some stage in there life for a big pay rise.
Rubbish.
We generally go for a big pay rise to get that extra holiday or to ensure long term financial security for our families what has this fellow earned by taking a pay rise? more money yes but the same things he was entitled to beforehand.[/quote]“Rubbish” ????????
so you are saying people dont leave jobs they like purely because a new one pays much more ?
get real –
whether its for family security or being able to buy a bigger car/house most given the chance would take the bigger pay packet option, it make no difference if the increase is from 300 to 600 quid a week or 30k to 60k a week.
nzogbia gave his all to our cause last season and like many more on here and most latics fans i dont begrudge him doubling his wages – good luck to him.it make no difference if the increase is from 300 to 600 quid a week or 30k to 60k a week.In terms of standard of living there is a massive difference between those two increases.
Interesting replies in the spiralling world that is football and the wages it pays.
I see automated defense of ones sport with full justification for doubling a wage.
If a rich oil tycoon from one of the Arab countries bought in and was willing to pay Charles 60k, would that make it acceptable because it’s the way the game rolls now? What about the principle?
The problem in any debate on such messageboards is the automatic biased for their team and it’s game. I have no allegiance anymore hence the username and have a different but neutral perspective. It seems to me your quite happy with the football freakshow and given the chance to compete with the silly wage league, you would take part.
One final point it’s not out of boredom or because I want to wind anybody up, quite a few users on here know who I am and hates the way the game is modelled right now. I just took the chance of giving it all up, I see more clearly now.
p.s Loudmouth says: – “it make no difference if the increase is from 300 to 600 quid a week or 30k to 60k a week”.
No, none at all :roll: :roll:
I’d be a little worried if your making comparisons with the average man’s wage and a footballers!
p.s Standish says: – ”It’s not rubbish.
Everyone wants to earn more money to live better and buy bigger.
It’s exactly what he’s done.
Instead of a £250k car, he wants a £500k car; instead of a holiday at Sandy Lane each summer, he wants his own house in Barbados”.
Ouch! Are you seriously saying on his current wage he can’t have such things? Poor Charles! I must admit I laughed at this picture of Charles telling himself that he can finally afford something he couldn’t previously… Yea right!
p.s Standish says: – ”It’s not rubbish.Everyone wants to earn more money to live better and buy bigger.
It’s exactly what he’s done.
Instead of a £250k car, he wants a £500k car; instead of a holiday at Sandy Lane each summer, he wants his own house in Barbados”.
Ouch! Are you seriously saying on his current wage he can’t have such things? Poor Charles! I must admit I laughed at this picture of Charles telling himself that he can finally afford something he couldn’t previously… Yea right!
Ouch, yes I am.
They’re random things I plucked out of the air – saying that though, an apartment in Barbados will cost you around a millions quid, so yes, he would need a healthy pay rise buy the sort of pad that High Grant and our very own Mr Whelan own.
However, the gist of my post is, if you’ve got a quid, you’ll always want two.
There are things Mr N’Zogbia cannot afford without a pay rise, and as a young man in his early twenties do you honestly think he’ll sit back a tell himself he has enough money already? (Or is he Bill Gates?)
To quote: ‘yea right!’
Get real man. Clearly the part of your brain that allows rational thinking also retired when your support for Wigan did.
Everyone wants to earn more money to live better and buy bigger.It’s exactly what he’s done
As someone who recently turned down a promotion and decent pay rise on lifestyle grounds, I’m not sure I agree with that world view….
I don’t think him leaving has much to do with money. If it was, I’m glad we didn’t pay it.
I think its an ego thing of playing for a “big club”. He might also pass it off as playing with better players/winning trophies etc….like thats going to happen at Villa…..
His career had stalled at Newcastle. We were his rehabilitation period. We got a good couple of years and a profit out of it. He’ll get mid table mediocrity and a decent pay packet.
Now now Standish, no need for insults on how my brain may work! It’s a debate where two points of view have been measured up.
I must admit I’m in somewhat of a bear pit trying to act with morals and standards in respect to a game which has neither.
I’m debating with people who have a vested interest, a natural biased, I have neither. I don’t think you’d have the ability to strip yourself of this allegiance for a day and have a real conversation on the state of football. Unfortunately it’s not possible :P
Now now Standish, no need for insults on how my brain may work! It’s a debate where two points of view have been measured up.I must admit I’m in somewhat of a bear pit trying to act with morals and standards in respect to a game which has neither.
I’m debating with people who have a vested interest, a natural biased, I have neither. I don’t think you’d have the ability to strip yourself of this allegiance for a day and have a real conversation on the state of football. Unfortunately it’s not possible :P
Agreed to a certain point, I agree that the passion is fast disappearing and we as fans just watch now to amuse ourselves, The joy has been dragged out of the game now and only money matters in a world driven by rich people in positions of power. It was not so long ago when you could watch a game on a Saturday and one on a Sunday and have 22 players fighting to the death to get a result on part time wages. I do agree that the morals of the game have changed and not for the better, However i also believe that we have to just accept it won’t change and go back to the way it was and we just have to live with it. English Football is gearing up for a huge fall and it’s going to ruin the foundations that it is built on. Money and power it slowly killing it off and our league will be the first to pop. So many clubs are going bust and it’s only a matter of time before these investors bugger off to another country and leave all their debt to the respective clubs. Birmingham have just been screwed, and it’s happening more and more. This league is going to pop and it won’t be long.
Good post, somebody who finally realises I’m attacking nobody and offering a valid point of view.
I can’t play a part in a sport which has been in fast decline for many years, I just feel better Yosser within myself for not going, a protest in which I’m the only one taking part. I know only a handful of likeminded folk but they have washed their hands altogether whereas I still want to see the problems addressed for the good of the game. They are not being tackled and the F.A are probably the most if not one of the most poor governing bodies in any sport. That goes for UEFA and FIFA for allowing such miniscule actions to take place on a weekly basis i.e diving, and what’s worse is allowing it to become an accepted part of the game where commentators are using the word “contact”. That was never used in years gone by! It’s an excuse for a players ease of falling over to cheat by saying there was contact, no matter how minimal. We all play the game and it’s no different in contact so why should they act all alien about it.
Yosser I don’t think the game has to go back to the way it was, it just needs going back to basics. These simple rules instill in players as footballers and people are human conditions in which we all possess, unfortunately football had it removed over the years. Morals, ethics & standards. It’s not a difficult thing to instill but it must start from the top by adopting the same respect to referee’s the rugby lot get and also firmer punishments for cheating to win. Suarez in the world cup for that handball wouldn have been banned until further notice if it was up to me. But hey all’s forgotten, he wears Liverpool Red now, a Messiah to any Liverpool fan. I wonder what they thought of the handball now?!
Like anything else in like where discipline is required, it’s a mechanism where one is disciplined verbally/physically whereas the offender shall think twice on what he/she has just done. Nothing like that in football so a much more cut throat approach is needed.
Finances. I do laugh at these foreign investors who suddenly adopt a club from the A-Z of who’s who in the Premier League. What’s worse is supporters welcome them and their riches i.e City but they aren’t there forever. When they go they’ll be an uproar, club administration. Who do I blame for allowing it to happen? The fans did nothing, they jumped on the bandwagon. The FA have a so called “fit & proper person’s test” which has proved flawed with many loopholes.
Tribalism works if those above them know how to control them. They’ll always be there so the game won’t listen to itself. Imagine the impact if all Premiership clubs supporters boycotted a single weekend?
People power can work but unfortunately will only come to the fore when it’s too damn late.
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