Some Questions for the Martinez out fans

1) Do you think that at times this season and the previous 2, when the players get it right on the field, using bobby’s tactics, they look nowhere near relegation material?
At times yes we have looked like a team who could finish further up the bottom half but at times ‘Bobby’s tactics’ have been a major reason why we haven’t got it right.

2) If you said yes, do you not think then we just might need to get some consistency and perhaps a more potent striker, to change things around.?
You say just get consistency like it is easy to do. I have 2 mindsets for this, our players don’t work hard enough and they don’t look fit enough or they are playing within themselves and feel restricted in displaying the best parts of their game. A potent striker will always help but we will be in the market with the least money and aren’t an attractive option. We have Ronnie Stam playing the ball in behind the back 4 but the hold-up play earlier on means the centre forward has to be akin to Usain Bolt to get beyond the defence to finish off. You only need to look at the chalkboard and opta stats about the number of passes we make around the box to know we hit the buffers when we arrive there

3) If you said no, can you explain how we’ve managed to match and actually look even better than a times, the majority of clubs in the EPL over the last 2.5 seasons, even Man Utd for long spells in matches?
Teams at this level should always have a foothold in a game at some point. The facts speak for themselves in terms of games won, drawn, lost which is the be all and end all of a football club and is what helps run the ‘business’. I think a lot of the Martinez apologists have as much of a blinkered view of the future as those who paint it all as dark and dreary. We have some good footballers and athletes in the squad who I feel aren’t utilised correctly to bring out their strengths. There are far, far many occasions when things have been less than accetable and as a club in general the fans have stood by Martinez. Those that haven’t have not bothered attending which is fine as it leaves us to get on with trying to back the team. Three transfer windows Martinez wanted and he’s had it. No excuses for him now. I watch football for us to win games and be successful. If we don’t win I still turn up and hope we learn from mistakes by training hard and showing improvement for the next week. I’ve not seen that.

Some good replies so far and pretty much how I feel so no need for any further input from me apart from maybe mentioning, how come many have mentioned these basic shortcomings ( pundits included ) yet nothing has been done to address them ?

Good debate .I think we do outplay teams who let us pass the air out the ball then comfortably break us down in last 3rd.As a forward unit we dont make teams work enough in and around final 35 yards and our attacks constantly fizzle out.How many times do we see Moses run diagonally across the pitch beating 3 or more men only for him to be pushed until he is dispossessed .Never enough options going forward and as has been stated regularly in the football media our tempo is too pedestrian.4 months to go so up the tempo,get bodies in the box and for christ’s sake no more sunderland’s!!!

Can the people on this board who do not believe in Bobby and think he’s not up to the task, please answer the following questions honestly and without any sarky non constructive comments.

1) Do you think that at times this season and the previous 2, when the players get it right on the field, using bobby’s tactics, they look nowhere near relegation material?

On occasion they do! Do the good performences, outweigh the bad? Unfortunatly not, it’s a results buisness and goals for over against win games, currently we are looking favourable to go down.

2) If you said yes, do you not think then we just might need to get some consistency and perhaps a more potent striker, to change things around.?

I believe, the tactics and lack of single dimension and diversity, would challange the best striker, our strikers returns is restricted by the tactics and do believe our strikers would have better return elsewhere.

3) If you said no, can you explain how we’ve managed to match and actually look even better than a times, the majority of clubs in the EPL over the last 2.5 seasons, even Man Utd for long spells in matches?

This is correct by way of possesion and build up play, but it’s the end product that lacks (goals and goals against) sometimes the ball needs a size ten through it and equally some one of the big guy (or whoever upfront) would be more productive and produce better returns.

Thanks in advance, to those who respond with good honest answers, whatever answers you gave.

See question 2. That’s the answer to most of this thread. Even United play sh*t teams and still get beat.

At times we can play very well. If we played like that all the time then we would be nowhere near the league position we are in.

We know they can do it, as they have shown this in the past – albeit not as often we’d all like. Whether that consistency is due to lack of motivation, lack of commitment, lack of fitness, wrong tactics or whatever, the ability is definitely in there.

That’s why I’m hopeful that a couple of changes – a couple of new players perhaps(money permitting), or a lucky break leading to a good run of results could turn it around. The latter has happened twice in two seasons – so why not this season?

Maybe that’s why I’m on the lightside eh?

I do yes. The problem is that even then we don’t score enough goals and will do something stupid at the back.

Who is in charge of the task of ensuring that we are consistent? Who is in charge of ensuring we have a striker that scores once every 2 or 3 chances say instead of once every 65? The answer to both questions is Martinez and he fails on both. In this system that we play the midfield need to support the striker and it just doesn’t happen. How many times do we cross to one man marked by four, or can’t cross as there is nobody there and so end up going backwards? We can pass the ball around all we like.

Can you explain how we out play sh*t teams and still get beat?[/quote]
Just answer the fekin question pal, never answer a question with a question.[/quote]

Fair do’s Jr, however……..is this how the team talk goes?

…..or does it look like a nail to you to?

;)

I’d answered it in question 2 though so was just asking for your opinion that’s all.[/quote]
With all due respect egg, you didn’t answer it in question 2. The reason we lose against ‘sh*t’ teams is lack of consistency – as is the case with all teams who lose against lesser teams.