Some Questions for the Martinez out fans

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  • #78156
    The EggThe Egg
    Chairman

      Just answer the fekin question pal, never answer a question with a question.

      I’d answered it in question 2 though so was just asking for your opinion that’s all.[/quote]
      With all due respect egg, you didn’t answer it in question 2. The reason we lose against ‘sh*t’ teams is lack of consistency – as is the case with all teams who lose against lesser teams.[/quote]

      The question was “If you said no, can you explain how we’ve managed to match and actually look even better than a times, the majority of clubs in the EPL over the last 2.5 seasons, even Man Utd for long spells in matches?”

      I felt I’d answered that and wanted to know why we play poorly against the teams we need to beat.

      #78160
      Yickticmonshaun martin
      Player

        1) Yeah, just like Blackpool last year and Burnley before that and Umpteen others who were too good to go down.

        2)Not sure we will attract a more potent striker…the time for that was in August 2011.

        3)We only look good when the other team lets us pass the ball around in our own half, in the last third we can hardly string two passes together where it matters. We flatter to deceive 95% of the time.

        Your stubborn faith in Roberto is touching JR, but a little misguided I fear.

        #78166
        I felt I’d answered that and wanted to know why we play poorly against the teams we need to beat.

        I disagree.

        Jr:
        …can you explain how we’ve managed to match and actually look even better than a times, the majority of clubs in the EPL over the last 2.5 seasons, even Man Utd for long spells in matches?

        Egg:
        Who is in charge of the task of ensuring that we are consistent? Who is in charge of ensuring we have a striker that scores once every 2 or 3 chances say instead of once every 65? The answer to both questions is Martinez and he fails on both. In this system that we play the midfield need to support the striker and it just doesn’t happen. How many times do we cross to one man marked by four, or can’t cross as there is nobody there and so end up going backwards? We can pass the ball around all we like.

        My answer would have been:
        Lack of consistency. (The question was not who do you blame for lack of consistency? Or, in your qualified opinion, what tactics need to applied, or should not be applied?)

        It’s simple: play well every game and you will do well. Play well in a lesser percentage of your games and you will not do well.

        It’s got feck all to do with tactics, or lack of ability, as the same team can draw with better teams yet lose to poor teams. It’s all down to motivation, application, conviction etc.

        Lack of consistency – simple answer.

        Who or what do you blame for this is an entirely different question.

        #78170
        jrfatfanjrfatfan
        Player
          1) Yeah, just like Blackpool last year and Burnley before that and Umpteen others who were too good to go down.

          2)Not sure we will attract a more potent striker…the time for that was in August 2011.

          3)We only look good when the other team lets us pass the ball around in our own half, in the last third we can hardly string two passes together where it matters. We flatter to deceive 95% of the time.

          Your stubborn faith in Roberto is touching JR, but a little misguided I fear.

          I had us down to being better than sunderland overall but lost 4-1.
          I’m sorry, but you are still struggling to answer the questions put before yer with conviction to me me want to slide to the dark.. ;)

          From Matlock to ManU
          What a journey!

          #78172
          jrfatfanjrfatfan
          Player

            Another question, we beat city Monday and QPR lose tomoz, Bobby’s magic or just plain luck? :blink:

            From Matlock to ManU
            What a journey!

            #78176
            Another question, we beat city Monday and QPR lose tomoz, Bobby’s magic or just plain luck? :blink:

            It’s be down to a lack of a half time team talk, or Gomez.

            #78182
            The EggThe Egg
            Chairman

              If e did beat City then I’d have to use the old line ‘One swallow doesn’t make a summer’. If we went on to beat QPR and give Spurs a game then maybe just maybe I would give Bobby the benefit of the doubt.

              I said to a friend earlier however that we’ll probably get a result on Monday before being hammered at QPR.

              #78217
              Hindley blueHindley blue
              Player

                I felt I’d answered that and wanted to know why we play poorly against the teams we need to beat.

                I disagree.

                Jr:
                …can you explain how we’ve managed to match and actually look even better than a times, the majority of clubs in the EPL over the last 2.5 seasons, even Man Utd for long spells in matches?

                Egg:
                Who is in charge of the task of ensuring that we are consistent? Who is in charge of ensuring we have a striker that scores once every 2 or 3 chances say instead of once every 65? The answer to both questions is Martinez and he fails on both. In this system that we play the midfield need to support the striker and it just doesn’t happen. How many times do we cross to one man marked by four, or can’t cross as there is nobody there and so end up going backwards? We can pass the ball around all we like.

                My answer would have been:
                Lack of consistency. (The question was not who do you blame for lack of consistency? Or, in your qualified opinion, what tactics need to applied, or should not be applied?)

                It’s simple: play well every game and you will do well. Play well in a lesser percentage of your games and you will not do well.

                It’s got feck all to do with tactics, or lack of ability, as the same team can draw with better teams yet lose to poor teams. It’s all down to motivation, application, conviction etc.

                Lack of consistency – simple answer.

                Who or what do you blame for this is an entirely different question.[/quote]

                The consistency is due to our lack of quality in the squad IMO. Top players perform at a level our players can only dream about, occassionally everything works and we look good but it is few and far between.

                #78224

                With the system we play with 1 up front your Midfielders have got to make runs beyond the Centre Forward and this just does happen. when our wide players have the ball there just isnt anyone in the area to cross to. This has to be the Managers responsibility to tell them.

                #78225
                The consistency is due to our lack of quality in the squad IMO. Top players perform at a level our players can only dream about, occassionally everything works and we look good but it is few and far between.

                Spot on, absolutley spot on. The biggest single contributing factor to our habitual league position. From time to time our team plays as well as it can but unfortunately it is not good enough to play below its best and still win, unlike some of the bigger clubs with bigger and better (more expensive) squads.

                Peanuts and monkeys, springs to mind.

                Hindley, we are beginning to agree far too regularly. Not sure whether you’re becoming lighter or I’m growing darker ;)

                #78228
                Hindley blueHindley blue
                Player

                  The consistency is due to our lack of quality in the squad IMO. Top players perform at a level our players can only dream about, occassionally everything works and we look good but it is few and far between.

                  Spot on, absolutley spot on. The biggest single contributing factor to our habitual league position. From time to time our team plays as well as it can but unfortunately it is not good enough to play below its best and still win, unlike some of the bigger clubs with bigger and better (more expensive) squads.

                  Peanuts and monkeys, springs to mind.

                  Hindley, we are beginning to agree far too regularly. Not sure whether you’re becoming lighter or I’m growing darker ;)[/quote]

                  Middle ground Griff :ohmy:

                  #78235
                  Anonymous

                    goodpost i couldnt agree more with all them questions. Bobbys tactics seem to work when the players follow them, also in the times when hes been with us when weve been in the relegation zone hes kept calm and he clearly loves the club.Its not his fault most of the referees are against us! How people can blame Bobby for anything, he does his best and when the players do what hes told them they do fantastic.

                    #78238
                    Hindley blueHindley blue
                    Player
                      goodpost i couldnt agree more with all them questions. Bobbys tactics seem to work when the players follow them, also in the times when hes been with us when weve been in the relegation zone hes kept calm and he clearly loves the club.Its not his fault most of the referees are against us! How people can blame Bobby for anything, he does his best and when the players do what hes told them they do fantastic.

                      How can you blame Bobby???? I can’t believe I’m going to bite but here goes.

                      1) Bobby is the manager
                      2) We cannot blame the referee’s every time we lose, we do seem to get the shitty end of the stick but I’m sure most clubs fans would say the same.
                      3) As a manager if you have a style of football you have to make sure the players you sign can play that system and are good enough to play that system.

                      #78245

                      goodpost i couldnt agree more with all them questions. Bobbys tactics seem to work when the players follow them, also in the times when hes been with us when weve been in the relegation zone hes kept calm and he clearly loves the club.Its not his fault most of the referees are against us! How people can blame Bobby for anything, he does his best and when the players do what hes told them they do fantastic.

                      How can you blame Bobby???? I can’t believe I’m going to bite but here goes.[/quote]

                      I can’t believe you bit either. Even as a big Bobby fan like me, you can’t say he is totally blameless

                      #78256
                      MR BrownbillMR Brownbill
                      Player

                        Not got money to spend (like 2 thirds of prem clubs) but what he had spent he has wasted.I include wage deals in this statement and not just transfer fees.Even though I believe Robbie has had more time than most managers would have been allotted I do still think we need to start the resurrection tomorrow ,and for some insane reason I think we will …

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