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    JaytJayt
    Chairman

      On the assumption that it was safe to do so, would you like a standing area with in the DW Stadium?
      There are lots of discussions going on at the moment and it would be good to gauge the fans opinion on this.
      As far as I can see, ES2 and 3 generally stand up anyway and so if hypothetically 2 or 3,000 seats in the East stand were converted to a standing area, do you think it would be a good idea (whether you would stand or not)?

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      #126203

      I don’t think that a standing area should be instated next to the away fans stand.

      Fans used to congregate behind the goals. Too many now want to antagonize the opposing fans rather than support their own team.

      If there is a standing area for home fans, will there also be one for away fans?

      #126204

      Personally I enjoy the seat and dotn believe the introduction of standing areas will magically make a stadium come to life.

      If we did introduce it you would have more people standing in a smaller areas, which would leave bigger gaps in the stadium and probably a worse atmosphere.

      #126215

      Where at the DW could you put a safe standing area?. All modern stadia are steep rising so there are no obstructions when sat. It would need major building work to adapt a stand to accommodate standing.Maybe we could fill in a corner as a purpose built standing area.

      #126216
      JaytJayt
      Chairman

        Modern standing areas don’t cram people in like the old days, they have the same amount of room as having a seat by design.
        Facts, photos and details click here

        Please feel free to have your say in the Support Liaison Officer Forum as well… click here

        FA Cup Winners 2013, sounds good that

        #126218
        Modern standing areas don’t cram people in like the old days, they have the same amount of room as having a seat by design.
        Facts, photos and details click here

        Please feel free to have your say in the Support Liaison Officer Forum as well… click here

        Jayt, because the steps rise so steeply do you think the stadium would be granted a safety certificate ?. In todays world of health and safety I would imagine there would be concerns. Im pretty certain you would,nt just be able to take seats out and put a crush barrier up.

        #126221
        JaytJayt
        Chairman

          The rail system (in the link) doesn’t do that, it doesn’t take any more room than a seat, have you seen the pictures?

          FA Cup Winners 2013, sounds good that

          #126223
          The rail system (in the link) doesn’t do that, it doesn’t take any more room than a seat, have you seen the pictures?

          Yes I’ve seen the pics but if you look at the actual terrace steps they are very different to those at the DW. I just believe that political correctness would put the block on it happening. We at least have the option of maybe using the corners.I truly think that the powers that be will do all they can to keep all seater stadia.

          #126224
          horchorc
          Manager

            I am in favour of standing areas, but I don’t think for one minute Dave Whelan would consider spending any money converting any part of the stadium to allow standing whether he was in favour of it or not.

            #126226
            I am in favour of standing areas, but I don’t think for one minute Dave Whelan would consider spending any money converting any part of the stadium to allow standing whether he was in favour of it or not.

            Oh I am in favour Horc, it is just that when they built these new stadiums there was never gonna be a return to standing and they were built accordingly. Where they have put seats on old standing terraces like behind the goals at Villa park, there is no problem. I simply don’t see us getting clearance to stand on any part of our existing structure because of the steepness of the terraces. I may be wrong.

            #126229
            horchorc
            Manager

              I am in favour of standing areas, but I don’t think for one minute Dave Whelan would consider spending any money converting any part of the stadium to allow standing whether he was in favour of it or not.

              Oh I am in favour Horc, it is just that when they built these new stadiums there was never gonna be a return to standing and they were built accordingly. Where they have put seats on old standing terraces like behind the goals at Villa park, there is no problem. I simply don’t see us getting clearance to stand on any part of our existing structure because of the steepness of the terraces. I may be wrong.[/quote]

              I can see where you are coming from with that, but if the decision was made to allow it and DW was in agreement and decided he was flushed then I’m sure there would be a way to re build a small section of the ground. It would be an expensive exercise and like I said earlier I don’t think DW would even consider it anyway.

              #126240

              I doubt the club would pay for it as there would be no benfit to them. It’s hardly likely to attract more supporters in and we already pay peanuts for our tickets.

              #126269
              vincehillvinceHill
              Player

                As much as I used to enjoy standing I would rather go to gamesand get home safely than run the risk of another tragedy.
                Burden park 1946, Ibrox park 1971 and Hillsborough in 1989 saw multiple fatalities in terraced areas so it’s a no from me.
                I do not think standing up on a crowded terrace is ever safe and I was involved in many crushes as a young lad that when I look back were down right dangerous.
                No vote

                #126275
                JaytJayt
                Chairman
                  As much as I used to enjoy standing I would rather go to gamesand get home safely than run the risk of another tragedy.
                  Burden park 1946, Ibrox park 1971 and Hillsborough in 1989 saw multiple fatalities in terraced areas so it’s a no from me.
                  I do not think standing up on a crowded terrace is ever safe and I was involved in many crushes as a young lad that when I look back were down right dangerous.
                  No vote

                  I think you’ll find all of these were due to overcrowding (plus a hell of a lot of other issues at Hillsborough).
                  If you had read the above or have seen the proposed system, overcrowding is not really an issue. The surge we experienced on terraces couldn’t happen on modern safe standing areas.
                  I am not trying to influence either way, but if you are to base your decision on what has happened a long way in the past and not on the proposed modern safe standing areas then you are not exactly being rational.

                  FA Cup Winners 2013, sounds good that

                  #126276
                  vincehillvinceHill
                  Player

                    As much as I used to enjoy standing I would rather go to gamesand get home safely than run the risk of another tragedy.
                    Burden park 1946, Ibrox park 1971 and Hillsborough in 1989 saw multiple fatalities in terraced areas so it’s a no from me.
                    I do not think standing up on a crowded terrace is ever safe and I was involved in many crushes as a young lad that when I look back were down right dangerous.
                    No vote

                    I think you’ll find all of these were due to overcrowding (plus a hell of a lot of other issues at Hillsborough).
                    If you had read the above or have seen the proposed system, overcrowding is not really an issue. The surge we experienced on terraces couldn’t happen on modern safe standing areas.
                    I am not trying to influence either way, but if you are to base your decision on what has happened a long way in the past and not on the proposed modern safe standing areas then you are not exactly being rational.[/quote]
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                    I hardly think 1989 is a long way in the past and there were many other incidents at grounds in the 80s that didn’t get media coverage which could have resulted in deaths -for me there can never be safe standing areas.
                    I am being rational and would draw anyone campaigning for the return of standing areas to read the Taylor report and the think of thegrief still being experienced by the families of the Hillsborough disaster .having experienced both seating and terracing during my near 40 years of watching live football I think I have a good grasp of the safest way to watch a sporting event and standing on steep concrete terracing amongst rushing crowds is not what I consider safe.

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