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    griffChris Griffin
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    Interesting proposal (for once) from a caller on Talksport yesterday about how to eradicate diving.

    If a player goes down and the referee isn’t sure, he asks the player who has gone down whether he wants the free-kick/penalty or not. If the player says yes, the free-kick/penalty is awarded. The match continues as normal.

    Post-match, a panel (odd number) of experts reviews the incident and, if found that the player dived, the club is docked 6 points!!

    Probably needs some refinement, but I quite like this idea. I am assuming that we are not going to have real-time video replays for this kind of incident anytime soon, which would be a far better solution of course, in my opinion.

    Only downside for me is that referees would naturally bottle most decisions, knowing that someone else will subsequently make the decision for him and all the furore and responsibility will end up at the feet of the diving player when his club gets docked points.

    Seems a pretty good deterrent to me, though.

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    DoglaticDoglatic
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    I always worry when I see the term “panel of experts”?
    Experts on diving would have to be ex-players, who could call on their own game experience as well as looking at the footage.

    It could potentially work in the Premier League where there are many camera angles, but it would be difficult to implement in the lower leagues.

    #136959
    griffChris Griffin
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    I always worry when I see the term “panel of experts”?
    Experts on diving would have to be ex-players, who could call on their own game experience as well as looking at the footage.

    Yep, and maybe some referees.

    It could potentially work in the Premier League where there are many camera angles, but it would be difficult to implement in the lower leagues.

    Behave, who cares what happens outside the Premier League? ;) But fair point

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    The EggThe Egg
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    The problem is we have all this ‘anticipating the contact’ bollocks which Gary Neville once stated isn’t a dive. My opinion is, if he doesn’t touch you then it’s a dive but this doesn’t seem to be the thinking in the World of football.

    Similar to the intent rule really.

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    garswood_laticGarswood_latic
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    Surely Tom Daley should be on any panel of experts? :unsure:

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    yosser_hughesYosser_Hughes
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    Surely Tom Daley should be on any panel of experts? :unsure:

    What does he know? He is a shit diver :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

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    I really think these experts get it wrong, even after seeing the slow mo a dozen times. If someone is running at speed and you just nick them, it can literally pol-ax them, although the contact is minimal. Sometimes you can’t make out were the contact was made.

    Harry Kane was nicked on Sunday and went to ground. Was it a penalty?, not sure, but the guy did not dive IMO.

    The other controversial thing at the moment is ball to hand or hand to ball. I thought that had been cleared up years ago, in that if the ball struck your hand or arm and it was sufficiently out of its natural position, then it really doesn’t matter if its ball to hand or hand to ball. Look at the continental players, they have started to put their hands behind their backs now if they cant get close enough to tackle a player in the box.
    It’s creeping into our game along with this touching the turf and crossing of the chest then looking upwards when entering or leaving the field. What the fek is all that about?, I bet most players who do that have never seen the inside of a church since they were babtised, but it looks real cool and Messi does it. :kiss:

    From Matlock to ManU
    What a journey!

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    Tez HTerry Hill
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    Surely Tom Daley should be on any panel of experts? :unsure:

    What does he know? He is a shit diver :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:[/quote]

    I think you’ll find he’s a shit stabber

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    Nah, I don’t think that it’d work

    Similar to what jr says – there’s still too much grey area. personally I don’t believe that even the faintest touch can bring someone crashing to the ground like they’ve been shot, but if you remember in the champions league a good few years back some Arsenal player got a retrospective ban for diving.
    Arsenal appealed & pulled out some evidence from somewhere showing that there had been the most minimal of contact & further to that produced some expert who claimed that even though it looked like next to nothing that coz of his speed it would have brought him down.
    UEFA then rescinded the ban

    Still looked like a dive to me & countless others – don’t get me wrong, some are obvious but there’s still too many that aren’t clear enough or there’s top much dispute over, meaning any club would bring in the lawyers if they’re then docked 6 points

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    TyldesleyLaticTyldesleyLatic
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    The problem is we have all this ‘anticipating the contact’ bollocks which Gary Neville once stated isn’t a dive. My opinion is, if he doesn’t touch you then it’s a dive but this doesn’t seem to be the thinking in the World of football.

    Similar to the intent rule really.

    There is no intent rule – in football anyway. Not sure if you’re talking about rugby league

    I remember Alcaraz getting sent off for a second caution at Old Trafford once for a foul on Fletcher. Contact was made but when you viewed the footage, by the time it was Fletcher was already on his way down having anticipated being fouled.
    Nevermind what Gary Neville says, technically the first offence in that phase of play was committed by Darren Fletcher for simulation although it’d take an eagle eyed or brave ref to give it
    You see forwards doing it all the time when they’ve knocked it past a keeper who’s come rushing out & I hate seeing it

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    The EggThe Egg
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    The problem is we have all this ‘anticipating the contact’ bollocks which Gary Neville once stated isn’t a dive. My opinion is, if he doesn’t touch you then it’s a dive but this doesn’t seem to be the thinking in the World of football.

    Similar to the intent rule really.

    There is no intent rule – in football anyway. Not sure if you’re talking about rugby league[/quote]

    I was referring to football. Sure I’ve seen players booked for ‘intent’ before.

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    I thought it sounded a bit of a hairbrained idea, or in this case a baldbrained idea !

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    TyldesleyLaticTyldesleyLatic
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    The problem is we have all this ‘anticipating the contact’ bollocks which Gary Neville once stated isn’t a dive. My opinion is, if he doesn’t touch you then it’s a dive but this doesn’t seem to be the thinking in the World of football.

    Similar to the intent rule really.

    There is no intent rule – in football anyway. Not sure if you’re talking about rugby league[/quote]

    I was referring to football. Sure I’ve seen players booked for ‘intent’ before.[/quote]

    The only mention of any form of intent in the laws of the game is “deliberate handball” – its not mentioned anywhere else
    The word intent is deliberately omitted coz there it is too subjective & can’t be proven – that’s why they use words like careless, reckless, dangerous etc.

    #136987
    griffChris Griffin
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    I thought it sounded a bit of a hairbrained idea, or in this case a baldbrained idea !

    1) it wasn’t my idea
    2) as usual, the PR massive have nothing un-sneery to contribute

    #136988
    griffChris Griffin
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    Nah, I don’t think that it’d work

    Similar to what jr says – there’s still too much grey area. personally I don’t believe that even the faintest touch can bring someone crashing to the ground like they’ve been shot, but if you remember in the champions league a good few years back some Arsenal player got a retrospective ban for diving.
    Arsenal appealed & pulled out some evidence from somewhere showing that there had been the most minimal of contact & further to that produced some expert who claimed that even though it looked like next to nothing that coz of his speed it would have brought him down.
    UEFA then rescinded the ban

    Still looked like a dive to me & countless others – don’t get me wrong, some are obvious but there’s still too many that aren’t clear enough or there’s top much dispute over, meaning any club would bring in the lawyers if they’re then docked 6 points

    OK, so we just do nothing and let referees continue to get it wrong. Good-o

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