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    TyldesleyLaticTyldesleyLatic
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    OK, so we just do nothing and let referees continue to get it wrong. Good-o

    To be fair, by & large that system has worked pretty well since organised football began. People make mistakes from time to time but in all fairness referees get the vast majority of their decisions correct – except me who gets them all right

    My point was that it’s difficult in many circumstances to prove that a player dived – there’s players starting to go to ground fractionally before the contact is made, players who claim that was the minutest of contact & all manner of other challenges where proving a dive is impossible.

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    I have always thought it unfair that a defender can be shown a red card for a foul to denying a goal scoring opportunity when deemed to be the last man yet an attacker only gets a yellow for diving.

    Surely showing a straight red to an attacker for diving in the penalty box would be a deterrent against this kind of cheating.

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    The EggThe Egg
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    The problem is we have all this ‘anticipating the contact’ bollocks which Gary Neville once stated isn’t a dive. My opinion is, if he doesn’t touch you then it’s a dive but this doesn’t seem to be the thinking in the World of football.

    Similar to the intent rule really.

    There is no intent rule – in football anyway. Not sure if you’re talking about rugby league[/quote]

    I was referring to football. Sure I’ve seen players booked for ‘intent’ before.[/quote]

    The only mention of any form of intent in the laws of the game is “deliberate handball” – its not mentioned anywhere else
    The word intent is deliberately omitted coz there it is too subjective & can’t be proven – that’s why they use words like careless, reckless, dangerous etc.[/quote]

    I see. I guess I’ve been infuriated all these years for nothing then :whistle:

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    griffChris Griffin
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    OK, so we just do nothing and let referees continue to get it wrong. Good-o

    To be fair, by & large that system has worked pretty well since organised football began. People make mistakes from time to time but in all fairness referees get the vast majority of their decisions correct – except me who gets them all right

    My point was that it’s difficult in many circumstances to prove that a player dived – there’s players starting to go to ground fractionally before the contact is made, players who claim that was the minutest of contact & all manner of other challenges where proving a dive is impossible.[/quote]

    It could be perfectly acceptable for this panel of experts to return a verdict of “not proven” in cases where they still aren’t sure, even after reviewing the video evidence. If it stops the obvious cheats, where’s the problem?

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    DoglaticDoglatic
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    They should just start with the worst and most clear offences.

    Eg. The attacking player clearly changes the direction of his leg to make contact with the defender or a theotrical dive with clear daylight between the players.

    These are clear-cut offences and as the process develops it will be clearer how to handle more borderline cases.

    Technology such as hotspot would be great to determine contact, but I guess you’d need too many cameras.
    Otherwise the players can wear a special gimp suit that can determine whether contact was made or not!!

    #136994
    TyldesleyLaticTyldesleyLatic
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    It could be perfectly acceptable for this panel of experts to return a verdict of “not proven” in cases where they still aren’t sure, even after reviewing the video evidence. If it stops the obvious cheats, where’s the problem?

    There is already a system in place where obvious cheats could be punished – as I say its already been used to ban whatever Arsenal player it was. And the FA is entitled to look at match incidents again
    The only problem at the moment is that they’re not using it – if say for instance Ashley Young launches himself into a clear & obvious dive which fools the ref during United’s next game & its clear from the footage he dived then ban him
    personally I think a ref should have the ability to send a player off if they see what they think is a deliberate dive. A caution isn’t enough of a deterrent

    I guess another issue I have is the suggestion of the referee asking the player if he wants the free kick or penalty. If the ref has any doubts then he shouldn’t award it, not have “I’m not sure. Do you want the penalty? Yes? Okay but I’m going to have it reviewed” – it would create chaos, open up a whole new can of worms & create more problems.

    Like I said, if the ref thinks a player’s dived, send him off. If he’s not sure give nowt & let it get reviewed by the match reviewers – if it was a foul the ref gets his marks clobbered (possibly taken off his next game), if it was a dive the player gets banned. Don’t think there’s any need for refs to be asking players what they want or docking 6 points & would the team offended against not then start asking for the points insead??

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    pemblue 1932pemblue 1932
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    how about banning the player for six matches

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    yosser_hughesYosser_Hughes
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    I like the original concept in the main, however i would suggest a 3 match ban and 75% wage for the month if proven guilty rather than the docked points system which could be open to abuse I.E – A player like Balotelli who is a notorious nuisance would peobably get his team docked points deliberately in order to manufacture a move away.

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    I have always thought it unfair that a defender can be shown a red card for a foul to denying a goal scoring opportunity when deemed to be the last man yet an attacker only gets a yellow for diving.

    Surely showing a straight red to an attacker for diving in the penalty box would be a deterrent against this kind of cheating.

    Absolutely spot on Sammy, but it the age old problem of proving what was or what was not a dive and in a massive game the ref would again feel the pressure and be liable to make mistakes.

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    griffChris Griffin
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    how about banning the player for six matches

    Yep, that’d do it too

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    griffChris Griffin
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    I have always thought it unfair that a defender can be shown a red card for a foul to denying a goal scoring opportunity when deemed to be the last man yet an attacker only gets a yellow for diving.

    Surely showing a straight red to an attacker for diving in the penalty box would be a deterrent against this kind of cheating.

    Absolutely spot on Sammy, but it the age old problem of proving what was or what was not a dive and in a massive game the ref would again feel the pressure and be liable to make mistakes.[/quote]

    Hence the proposal in the original post

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    I have always thought it unfair that a defender can be shown a red card for a foul to denying a goal scoring opportunity when deemed to be the last man yet an attacker only gets a yellow for diving.

    Surely showing a straight red to an attacker for diving in the penalty box would be a deterrent against this kind of cheating.

    Absolutely spot on Sammy, but it the age old problem of proving what was or what was not a dive and in a massive game the ref would again feel the pressure and be liable to make mistakes.[/quote]

    Hence the proposal in the original post[/quote]

    Cant see FIFA making any changes to the rules only stupid ones to be honest as it is normally their directives to refs that cause confusion.

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    filmossfilmoss
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    I thought it sounded a bit of a hairbrained idea, or in this case a baldbrained idea !

    1) it wasn’t my idea
    2) as usual, the PR massive have nothing un-sneery to contribute[/quote]

    They don’t like it up em Mr Mainwaring! :)

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