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Mutty, this is a serious question, have you ever actually watched Sunderland play
Yes. I attend between 10-15 games a season, more aways than home because of where I live & work. I know a ST holder who gets me the tickets before they sell out and gets the loyalty points for the bigger games.[/quote]
Fair play to you. How many Latics and egg matches do you manage a season?
5000 away fans is more than enough, as far as a football perspective we want as little encouragement as possible for the opposition.
If anything I’d want them in one of the corners of the ground to lose the kop like effect of a full stand behind the goal.
But crowd numbers have no bearing on the on-field performance (I’m sure Ive read that phrase somewhere before ;) ).
The current bottom 3 of the premier league all average considerably more than the current leaders. In your league, Sheff Utd, Bradford & Coventry would be running away from the rest and Walsall would be facing relegation.[/quote]
A big supportive crowd can help a team play better, but a big negative crowd usually has the opposite effect.
No point getting forty thousand on every week if they just boo the team – and that’s what’s been happening at Newcastle for years in my opinion.
They got delusions of grandeur when Keegan was manager in the 90s, and started to believe the hype that they were a huge club that deserved Champions league football, and had the best fans in the Britain etc.
And now, unless they’re challenging for the top four and playing attractive football, nothing is good enough, and while they’re loud and supportive when things are going right, the second it isn’t going right, they’re quick to boo, unfurl their banners, throw their season tickets, call for the manager to be sacked, the board to resign, the owner to sell up etc.
Most clubs have fickle fans, but the Geordies are beyond fickle these days and are easy to whip into a frenzy (as Callum McManaman proved with his ‘life threatening’ tackle).
And sorry Mutty, but I suspect Sunderland are going the same way.
I know a lot of people who support both Newcastle and Sunderland and know for a fact the rivalary between those two is huge. Not quite the Burnley/Blackburn or Nob End/Donkey Lashers rivalaries but not far behind but most Toon or Makem fans have come to accept that they are both shit these days.
5000 away fans is more than enough, as far as a football perspective we want as little encouragement as possible for the opposition.
If anything I’d want them in one of the corners of the ground to lose the kop like effect of a full stand behind the goal.
But crowd numbers have no bearing on the on-field performance (I’m sure Ive read that phrase somewhere before ;) ).
The current bottom 3 of the premier league all average considerably more than the current leaders. In your league, Sheff Utd, Bradford & Coventry would be running away from the rest and Walsall would be facing relegation.[/quote]
A big supportive crowd can help a team play better, but a big negative crowd usually has the opposite effect.
No point getting forty thousand on every week if they just boo the team – and that’s what’s been happening at Newcastle for years in my opinion.
They got delusions of grandeur when Keegan was manager in the 90s, and started to believe the hype that they were a huge club that deserved Champions league football, and had the best fans in the Britain etc.
And now, unless they’re challenging for the top four and playing attractive football, nothing is good enough, and while they’re loud and supportive when things are going right, the second it isn’t going right, they’re quick to boo, unfurl their banners, throw their season tickets, call for the manager to be sacked, the board to resign, the owner to sell up etc.
Most clubs have fickle fans, but the Geordies are beyond fickle these days and are easy to whip into a frenzy (as Callum McManaman proved with his ‘life threatening’ tackle).
And sorry Mutty, but I suspect Sunderland are going the same way.[/quote]
Agree with you totally about the toxic atmosphere at Villa Park and the demonstrations against Lerner and Ashley, but can you recall a single report of the Sunderland fans protesting at a match against the owner, because I cant. The atmosphere is very pro-the team, but the simple fact is the players either don’t care, aren’t good enough or a mix of both. The problem lies within the geographical location – many top players will not play for anyone outside of London unless its Man City, Man Utd or Liverpool, and even average players take a hell of a lot of convincing to move so far north. Shelvey £80K a week, Johnson £60K a week being prime examples.
“Sunderland chairman Ellis Short has hit back at criticism of his stewardship of the club and a claim that he has been ‘lying’ to supporters.
Sections of the home crowd chanted ‘Are you watching, Ellis Short?’ during last Saturday’s 3-1 home defeat by Norwich,…..”I accept that the majority of Sunderland fans get behind the team, but I’m not really sure they are behind the owner. But I may be wrong (I usually am :) )
That was the first home game of the season, after a summer transfer activity that wasn’t exactly “spectacular” and led to Dick Advocaat walking away a month later. I can assure you that as much as the fans would like the owner to spend money like the Sheiks do, the level of discontent at Sunderland games is nothing like it is at many other premier league stadiums, as we accept that the team are very limited in terms of how high we can get. If we survive this season, then I would still only expect mid-table obscurity next season – being safe after 35 games would suit me! Compared to Newcastle, who expect top 4 every year because they finished there once upon a time, and Villa, who believe because they are Villa they have a God-given right to be in the top flight, then you’d find the Sunderland fans a very realistic bunch in terms of ambition.
(and before anyone points out that this was posted whilst the Warriors were playing, I know – I’m at work at the moment!)
Mutty, this is a serious question, have you ever actually watched Sunderland play
Yes. I attend between 10-15 games a season, more aways than home because of where I live & work. I know a ST holder who gets me the tickets before they sell out and gets the loyalty points for the bigger games.[/quote]
Fair play to you. How many Latics and egg matches do you manage a season?[/quote]
Smutty, you seem to have a lot to say on this issue, how come you swerved this one?
Just curious! :dry:
Fuck the EFL
Sunderland have spent a fortune on players and players wages for years and just about bobbed their heads above relegation.
They have attracted players simply because they have been a top paying club.Players will go anywhere for a wedge. Wouldn’t anyone be attracted to Roker Beach for Two million a year rather than the beaches of Spain Italy or France for One million a year.Sunderland have spent a fortune on players and players wages for years and just about bobbed their heads above relegation.
They have attracted players simply because they have been a top paying club.Players will go anywhere for a wedge. Wouldn’t anyone be attracted to Roker Beach for Two million a year rather than the beaches of Spain Italy or France for One million a year.I know. Sunderland reputedly have the 8th highest wage bill in the Premier League, and add to the fact that they have the 6th highest average attendance, then those two statements clearly suggest that they are massively underachieving.
As I said a couple of posts back, its down to the geographical location. Top players will not play for anyone other than Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool and the London clubs, because they want the lifestyle and the instant success that goes with playing for one of those clubs. As I said above, the NE clubs end up shelling out ridiculous wages and fees for the likes of Shelvey, Townsend, Johnson, Rodwell. The last two “quality” signings for Sunderland IMHO were Gyan and Bent, and both ended up being sold because their agents found another club that wasn’t in the NE who were prepared to pay them even more than the fat salaries that had tempted them north of the M62! Even the signing of Defoe was at huge expense in terms of salary for a player who had long been courted by Sunderland, but remained on the bench at Spurs for a couple of years instead of making the move 4-5 years ago.
So now it looks like Norwich could go down! If that is the case which ‘Billy Big Bollocks’ will go down with them? I still hope it’s the pair of them! :)
So now it looks like Norwich could go down! If that is the case which ‘Billy Big Bollocks’ will go down with them? I still hope it’s the pair of them! :)I still say Norwich have the advantage at this stage, not just because they have points on the board, but their last two games are Watford & Everton. Sunderland’s are Everton & Watford and thus have to better Norwich in games against Arsenal, Chelsea & Stoke. I think Newcastle’s revival at the moment is just a dead cat bounce, and they will be playing in the 2nd Division next year, particularly as they have to face Spurs on the last day and a “relaxed” Aston Villa (according to Lescott anyway!) the week before.
I’m praying the barcodes go down. I have to listen to the bad speaking Geordie fookwits with their “I divent nah” and “why aye man” it drives me mad.
Sorry fellas, but you’ll have to make do with a trip to Newcastle next season, unless you draw Sunderland in the Cup.
Sorry fellas, but you’ll have to make do with a trip to Newcastle next season, unless you draw Sunderland in the Cup.[/quote
Deservedly so too Mutty. Sam timed it just right.
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