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…we will be 2-0 up and all will be forgotten. ;)
Very good prediction. As 1 more in the 2nd half will make it the 3-0 I predicted (as I do every match ;) )
…we will be 2-0 up and all will be forgotten. ;)And if that is the case, there will still be posters on this board thinking up reasons why it was a bad performance and why Martinez should still be sacked anyway.
…we will be 2-0 up and all will be forgotten. ;)
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And if that is the case, there will still be posters on this board thinking up reasons why it was a bad performance and why Martinez should still be sacked anyway.[/quot
Not true I’m afraid!!!
I would hazard a guess that all the fans who post on this sight would love Bob to be a success and us be in the top ten our team playing great football and going to Noblot and winning. But to all of the above we aren’t and after Saturday apart from the odd blip (Liverpool) we are a poorer team now than when Bob took over.
And that is why people are not happy and I’m afraid the stick he is getting is well deserved.
…we will be 2-0 up and all will be forgotten. ;)
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And if that is the case, there will still be posters on this board thinking up reasons why it was a bad performance and why Martinez should still be sacked anyway.[/quot
Not true I’m afraid!!!
I would hazard a guess that all the fans who post on this sight would love Bob to be a success and us be in the top ten our team playing great football and going to Noblot and winning. But to all of the above we aren’t and after Saturday apart from the odd blip (Liverpool) we are a poorer team now than when Bob took over.
And that is why people are not happy and I’m afraid the stick he is getting is well deserved.[/quote]
Thanks for back-handedly reinforcing my statement.
And if that is the case, there will still be posters on this board thinking up reasons why it was a bad performance and why Martinez should still be sacked anyway.Because one swallow every second game doesn’t make a summer.
There you go, I’ll give ’em that one for free to be used tomorrow. Or Sunday.
Apropros of nothing, I drove past Elland Road on the way into the office this morning. Made me think; we have it proper bad compared to their situation, don’t we?
Listening to some supporters, you’d think so wouldn’t you?
In my opinion we are the near-perfect antithesis of Leeds United.
…we will be 2-0 up and all will be forgotten. ;)“if it’s there…I’ll give you the money myself” to quote Les Dennis (was it?)
Team news for Villa….Abhonlahor back tonight. :o
Add Carew, Heskey, Downing, Milner…..and a worse defence than Jossy’s Giants…..and you can see I’m not that confident. :?
” drove past Elland Road on the way into the office this morning. Made me think; we have it proper bad compared to their situation, don’t we?”
Reet, so because Leeds United have been chronically badly financially managed in recent times, we as Wigan Athletic supporters should sit back, shut up & get behind the most tactically inept manager I have ever seen in my time watching Latics (Chris Hutchings is excluded having – thankfully – only been in the job for 12 or so games)?
I know that’s simplifying it somewhat but (IMO) its a pish poor argument. Yes many of us know we have it good compared to some but what we’re wintessing at the moment is a manager so horribly out of his depth that its becoming painful to watch.
I don’t agree with abusing him during a game (the final whistle is a different kettle of fish) or taking “Bobby Out” banners to the stadium but bloody hell you can’t have a go at anyone (IMO) for pointing out on a messageboard just how bad he is – even if we/they/whoever are saying the same thing game after game. After all that might just be because he’s making the same mistakes game after game
I was discussing the situation this morning with a supplier at work & we both agreed that the frightening thing is if we do stay up (which I think we will by teh skin of our teeth) then he’s gonna be given a 3 month transfer window to bring in more sub-standard dross (for the most part) & then persist with the same garbage football (again for the most part) at the start of next seasonIt was a passing remark Tyldesley, as I was indeed passing Elland Road at the time, and was related more to the finances and current status of both clubs. I don’t recall saying no-one has a right to voice an opinion and the irony that Leeds might pass us on the way up in a few years time is not lost me.
Contrary to popular opinion, I don’t think that Martinez is the next Arsene Wenger (not yet anyway) and this squad and style of football may not be conducive to staying in the premier league, long-term. That’s not to say it won’t, and I, for one, am prepared to give it a go at least for a bit of time yet.
As many have pointed out, possibly the reason we are ‘stuck’ with Martinez is because of the fincancial constraints placed on him by the owner, the argument being that a ‘real’ manager wouldn’t work under such circumstances. If those financial constraints prevent us from doing a ‘Leeds’ then I for one will be happy to take the thin end of that wedge which appears to involve us trying to play decent football with some young hungry players who, relatively speaking, don’t cost too much.
It ain’t the be all and end all for me.
I think many appreciate the financial constraints Bobby works under. Some also understand that its needed to prevent us “doing a Leeds” whilst others just accuse Whelan of being tight.
I like to think i fall into the first camp
But, financial constraints didn’t force Bobby to change a winning starting XI for Saturday’s game. They don’t explain how he’s taken one of the best back 4’s outside of the top 6 & turned it into the worst in the division within 4 months. They don’t explain his persistance with a formation & tactic that by & large doesn’t suit the personnel at the club. They don’t explain a whoel ruck of things that have been wrong with what I’ve seen this season. What explains that is bad management (IMO)Apologies if I interpreted yours & StandishWalker’s comments in the wrong way but in the context of the thread they came over to me very much like (without directly saying it) “stop whinging at least we’re not in the mess Leeds United are in” which to me is irrelevant
We’re not Leeds United. I couldn’t care less about them – I care (as everybody on here does) about seeing Wigan Athletic do as well as possible and, financial constraints or not, I don’t think our current manager is allowing us to do that – as did Hindley Blue before he got stick for saying soNo need for an apology.
Of course Martinez has made mistakes. He will continue to do so, too. The financial issue is not totally irrelevant, though, as the desire to keep us stable will probably, eventually, lead to us being relegated whoever is in charge. Without some big (daft) benefactor coming in it’s bound to happen at some point. I am just prepapared to give Martinez a chance, even if he ultimately fails.
The frustration I feel (and I think I speak for SW too) is that there are too many (present company excluded) whose only contribution is to make glib commments like “Martinez you’re sh**”, “play 4-4-2” and “Scotland is w**k” and think they are giving the rest of us a Road To Damascus moment. It’s just not helpful. I know they have a right to say it and, factually, they are often correct, but it doesn’t take us forward.
All I want to see is a bit more…..oh, I don’t know how to say it…..a bit more ‘umph’ about the players. A bit more ‘get up and go’.
They proved last Monday that they are capable, so they’ve no excuse really.
I don’t think we should be winning most of our games, or anything daft. But the way we capitulate….it’s terrible. And if we go a goal down, it’s always going to be against us (a team that doesn’t score any) and at 2-0 it’s basically game over. If it get’s to 3-0….it’s goodnight Vienna.
I noticed that when we conceded our first on Saturday, Paul Scharner had his head in his hands, like it was the 90th minute. The body language was NOT good at all.
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