Three Ws. No !

Hindley

If your target is merely to win as many games as possible and stay up, and you don’t manage to do that, then yes, you deserve to get fired, and no, it is not rocket science.
If your remit is more than that however, and it perhaps includes reducing the wage bill, helping sure up the finances, and develop a decent youth policy to bring players through, then maybe it’s not as clear cut as just avoiding relegation.

Tyldesley

You know full well what Martinez is trying to achieve on the pitch, and you know full well that to what extend he has achieved is another matter. I, however, like the fact that somebody has attempted to bring a more patient, European style of football to Wigan as that is the type of football I like. Again, I’ll reiterate before the ‘it’s sh7te football’ brigade comment, it is what he is trying to achieve.

Also, as stated above, he has introduced a system whereby the club buy young players and develop them. The Reserves squad bears testimony to this, and they are playing good short-passing football to boot.

That is what I like about Martinez. You asked for my
reasons – and there they are.

Swindon

The phrase I used was ‘not overly concerned’. Perhaps in hindsight it was the wrong phrase to use. Yes, of course I want the club to stay in the Premier League and play at the highest level possible, and if the club are relegated (which I still think/hope we’ll avoid), I would hope we’d be pushing to gain automatic promotion again.

What I won’t be doing if we go down is throwing my toys out of the pram or my season ticket at Whelan. I certainly won’t be sobbing hysterically or calling for the manager, the board, or the owner/tealady/groundsman to be sacked.

You’ve asked for passion, but if passion for some at our stadium includes booing your team off, cheering when a player is substituted, hurling abuse at your manager, and delighting at the prospect of relegation just to prove a point, then I’m not interested.

I’ll support the team how I see fit, and if we’re relegated, I’ll cheer them on next season to gain promotion again.

1) How will relegation help sure up the finances Standish?????
2) How long do you give this clown when everyone can see it’s not working hence our attendances sinking quicker than the Titanic?????
3) We don’t even have an academy so how are we going to develop youth when all the clubs around including Blackpool can offer young players academy training?????

Just three questions I could think of which sort of make a mockery of Bob’s master plan IMO.

Nay Fil, it’s 18th Blackpool, 19th West Brom, 20th Blackburn or 3 Bs if you class West Brom as the Black Country !

Maybe it’s that some of us wish that we still were a small team chasing/living the dream rather than the “big” prem team we are now that’s continually trying to avoid a nightmare.

No it doesn’t, because my only question was ‘does that answer you?’

Yes or no would have done.

I can in part see where you’re coming from Standish. Bobby’s “way of playing the game” is not the style of football I like – in fact I detest it. I find it dull, boring & more like watching a game of chess than a game of football. Many people rave on about Spain being the best international side to watch in the world. I saw all their games in the world cup & was bored rigid.
But its a world of opinions & I aint stupid enough or naive enough to think that everybody should think the same thing.

However, & this is probably more where I have the problem than it was in actually knowing what he is trying to achieve – he isn’t very good at putting his ideas into actions. I could be offered the manager’s job & promise to get the team playing the most beautiful football ever seen but if after nearly 2 seasons that team was still producing boring, mistake riddled, low scoring drivel then I would not be delivering on my promise & I’d expect to be given the boot.
There’s a world of difference between saying what you want to achieve & actually being able to deliver it – & I’ve seen no evidence yet that Bobby is capable of doing that no matter how much time you give him.
I also appreciate your point you made to someone else that he “may” have been given other tasks as well as avoiding relegation such as slashing wage bills but if he is having to be more prudent with the cash than previous managers under Whelan then I’m sorry but he’s not even doing that job very well either. He may well have got the wage bill right down & be concentrating on bringing young players through but if this is his brief then you would expect him to be ultra-cautious with what little money he does get especially when he’s been able to keep hold of his “big money stars” unlike previous managers – but he’s wasted large chunks of it on dross like Di Santo, Scotland, Boselli & is now having to play a bloke up front on his own who Bobby himself admitted last season doesn’t have the attributes to play there. It should also be pointed out that he doesn’t have the attributes to play on the left wing where Bobby tried to get him to play for a season & a bit but that one has been quietly dropped

To put it another way he simply isn’t up to the job & I don’t see what “giving him more time” (as some say) will achieve. Somebody on this thread (may have been you) has said that Whelan has said he will never sack martinez so we should just get on with it & get behind him. Why?
For starters Whelan is renowned for stating things & then contradicting himself with his actions (foreign manager anyone??) so I take everything he says with a skip full of salt & secondly if someone who is manager of the club you support is clearly not up to the job it should be the fans (as supporters & customers) to demand change (IMO)

How on earth is scoring 27 goals in 29 games not low scoring?
How on earth is scoring the least amount of goals in all 4 professional English leagues not low scoring?

Steve Bruce’s teams may well have been even lower scoring but I didn’t find the football as poor & it tended to even itself out with better figures in the won, lost, against & goal difference columns

That wasn’t what they said though. They stated that calling Bobby’s football “low scoring drivel” was “drivel” & then produced some stats to show that it is low scoring & that despite Bobby’s promises that things will get better & his supporters telling us that all he needs is time in actual fact his team’s goalscoring record so far this season is worse than it was last season!!!!

Aside from that I never said that the team is more low scoring under Martinez.
i said “I could be offered the manager’s job & promise to get the team playing the most beautiful football ever seen but if after nearly 2 seasons that team was still producing boring, mistake riddled, low scoring drivel then I would not be delivering on my promise & I’d expect to be given the boot” and in my opinion it is boring, mistake riddled, low scoring, drivel (for the most part)
Whilst boring & drivel are subjective & down to the individual, one thing you can’t dispute is that it is mistake riddled & low scoring