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In the same way someone should look up the word loyalty maybe go through some sayings like thick and thin and maybe not act like an italian infantry soldier
Is that the same loyalty that blindly backs up Bob when it’s obvious it’s not working???
In the same way someone should look up the word loyalty maybe go through some sayings like thick and thin and maybe not act like an italian infantry soldier
Is that the same loyalty that blindly backs up Bob when it’s obvious it’s not working???[/quote]
If you think that yes but what about thick and thin eh ?
If you think that yes but what about thick and thin eh ?You don’t get that these days, do you? We always used to buy it so we’d have some bread for sandwiches and some for toast. But now it’s either medium or thick – you can’t even get thin now. And I’ve checked and medium and thick are the same anyway.
How times change
Is it any wonder a wedge has been driven between certain fans with idiotic comments like that !!
This comment refers to all 3 posts !!It’s people like you hijacking any thread that isnt some imbred muppet boo hooing his club arent sh***ing money on players and returning unrealistic results that is driving a wedge between people on this board!
Lightside / Darkside
Realists / Delusionists[/quote]
Realists??? that Bob is a great manager, he’s doing the best with what he has???
Don’t talk shite, we have a squad that IMO would stop up but our problem is our manager :evil:[/quote]
Go on then bright spark enlighten me…..
What manager would you replace Roberto with?
What player/players would start scoring under said manager?[/quote]
Well not having any inside football knowledge I’ve no idea and honestly neither have any of you who would take the job, but if you don’t ask???
And I’m sure with a different formation we could eek out a few more goals but I guess we will never know because Bob only has one way to play.But why worry it works great :ohmy:[/quote]
And so the penny drops just as it did for wolves ….
So an alternative formation is the difference between strikers taking their chances and not taking their chances? Who’s talking shite now hinders?[/quote]
Ok Salford I’ll spell it out for you as your obviously struggling. Just say for instance we played with 2 strikers the law of averages say’s your doubling your chance of a goal, right??? Now I’m not saying a change in system would turn us into world beaters but we may just improve and lets be honest it can’t work worse than the current one. Bob has been trying this system for 3 seasons now and we are still no closer to getting it right. And before you pap on about financial constraints Swansea have spent far less than us and play this system far better.[/quote]
You’re right I am struggling but then again I dont speak retard..
So we play 2 strikers chances get doubled and Di Santo, Sammon and Rodallega magically start hitting the back of the net?
Roberto If you are reading this please play 0-0-10 against West Brom.
Forget the midfield battle and all this defensive milarky we can increase our goal scoring chances ten fold.
Well done hinders well done…………..
You’re right I am struggling but then again I dont speak retard..So we play 2 strikers chances get doubled and Di Santo, Sammon and Rodallega magically start hitting the back of the net?
Yeah, why can’t you get it Salford?
What gets me is why the “you can’t polish a turd brigade” suddenly think that if you move the turds to a different area of the pitch they can indeed be polished. :dry:
Its because Griff they have no ideas to answer (just like Jewell and Bruce) the dilemma that as a club we are punching far above our weight…
However Roberto Martinez has clearly sat down and put in place the sort of long term plans that can allow us to compete with teams that make more revenue in pie sales than we do in gate receipts.
Currently we have had two of our wingers from the development squad go out and make a very good impression in the Championship…
It wasnt too long ago one of our hottest prospects on the lips of Wigan fans was none other than Magno Viera who although is doing very well at Fleetwood Town I hear …. is a good representation of how far we have come when you compare him to the likes of Dicko and Cruyff’s grandson ( please refer to youtube video for indication of his ability )
Spain and Barcelona are a mile away in standard from England and any other English club and probably will be for the forseeable future.
How did they acheive it?
Through long term planning from grass root level.
Exactly what Martinez is trying to do.
Of course Wiganers are generally thought of to be 20 years behind the rest of the world so this creates a bit of a pickle for the likes of Hindley who just cant understand why we cant just lob the pigskin into the box and hope for the best….
Fair enough we’ve took a few punches along the way but we are by no means out for the count!
And to call Martinez a failure when he has kept the club for last 2 seasons without a striker who cannot hit the fucking back of the net like all strikers should do is insane and surely only strengthens the fact that tactically we are very strong.
As said previously in another thread if Martinez had the money that Bruce was spending on an average season we could easily afford Defoe or a simlilar striker of his quality…
Perhaps Whelan should get his hands in his pockets eh the tight ol’ sod ?
If I was him and read some of the shite on here I’d think bollox to ya ill leave ya where I found ya you ungreatful bar stuords.
My suspicion is 99% of the so called “darksiders” would do a dissapearing act if we started plummeting through the leagues so they can pick a new team to bitch and moan about….
rant over.
Can I just chuck my twopenneth in about the “2 up front v 1 up front” argument please because it’s too simplistic (IMO) to dismiss it by saying “if Rodallega/Di Santo/Sammon misses sitters on his own up front he’s still gonna miss sitters if he’s got Sammon/Rodallega/Di Santo playing alongside him
I’ll start however by saying that the current formation of 3 centre halves, 2 wing backs, 2 central midfielders & 2 more advanced/free role type midfielders suits the personnel we have in the squad (IMO)
The formation comes unstuck however (again IMO) because of the 3 centre forwards Latics have, 2 aren’t suited to a lone striker role & the 1 who is best suited to it (in terms of his style of play) doesn’t have the ability at this level.
Di Santo has the ability to win the ball & lay if off or drop deep to pick it up & lay it off but it isn’t in his instincts/ability to then get back into the traditional strikers position i.e. in the box – just look at McArthur’s winner against Bolton. He challenges for the initial ball forward & either wins it or, due to his pressure, forces the defender to flick it backwards. he then makes virtually no effot to follow that up & it winds up being a midfielder from a starting point 20 yards further away from goal who runs past him & tries to anticipate a cross/rebound. When the ball hits the back of the net Di Santo is 30 yards from goal watching
Rodallega isn’t a grafter, doesn’t close defenders down, doesn’t win balls played up to him in the air with his back to goal & doesn’t have the physical strength to hold off defenders long enough to bring his team mates into play
IMO Sammon could play the role well at a much lower level where he isn’t against as good a defender.
The argument of playing 2 up front as I understand it is that:
a) you have players whose abilities compliment each other & more clear cut opportunities are created. Look at it like Michael Owen – in his prime a deadly finisher but stick him up front on his own & he would struggle even with world class players in his team. Stick a player like Heskey alongside him & suddenly you’ll have bags of goals. Which brings me to
b) Playing with 2 in a traditional strikers role gives them more opportunity to pull the opposition defence apart. At the moment any opposing teams back line have to worry about the movement of 1 player & anyone else they can see coming forward & pick them up (in theory). If you had say Di Santo dropping deep that brings a defender out with him, the ball is laid off to the wings & a cross put in then Rodallega only has 1 centre half to get the better ofNo it doesn’t solve the problem of them missing chances as they did on Sunday but football is often a confidence thing & our players tend to snatch at chances because they don’t get many of them and/or with poor goal scoring records & being asked to play roles they are unsuited to their confidence is low. Put them in a partnership & that could change
On the subject of “well the players miss the chances anyway” it seems to me that many have been talking on this thread as if the number of chances created in the Norwich match is the norm & from my experience that isn’t the case – more often than not Latics struggle to create chances & one of those reason may very well be coz when balls are put into the box there is often no-one there (if Di Santo is up front) or (if Rodallega is up front) the centre forward is on his own & out marked
In an ideal world, with Latics current squad, Bobby could play 3-4-2-2!!!
Anyway, I’ve rambled on long enough so here endeth my pieceOh what oh what would the World be like if everyone had the same opinions ! It would be one fuckin dull life !! One can discuss formations and tactics all day long but at the end of the day RM will do as he feels fit ! Some people will agree with his way of thinking and some wont ! Despite all of this, any neutrals looking in would be tempted to think that the Darkside do have a fairly good argument thus far !! If we are going to keep getting told that the club is ” Little ” and unable to compete in the greed league then surly there is only one option because unless some Russian Oligarch comes a calling it will never change ! Digressing slightly to finish off with….I would love to know what the Boselli business was all about because when you think about it it is insane !!!!
I would love to know what the Boselli business was all about because when you think about it it is insane !!!!
He’s no fekin good, worse than what we have, he’s out on loan, we save money by not paying him.
Why is that insane?
Red maggots are best.
Its because Griff they have no ideas to answer (just like Jewell and Bruce) the dilemma that as a club we are punching far above our weight…However Roberto Martinez has clearly sat down and put in place the sort of long term plans that can allow us to compete with teams that make more revenue in pie sales than we do in gate receipts.
Currently we have had two of our wingers from the development squad go out and make a very good impression in the Championship…
It wasnt too long ago one of our hottest prospects on the lips of Wigan fans was none other than Magno Viera who although is doing very well at Fleetwood Town I hear …. is a good representation of how far we have come when you compare him to the likes of Dicko and Cruyff’s grandson ( please refer to youtube video for indication of his ability )
Spain and Barcelona are a mile away in standard from England and any other English club and probably will be for the forseeable future.
How did they acheive it?
Through long term planning from grass root level.
Exactly what Martinez is trying to do.
Of course Wiganers are generally thought of to be 20 years behind the rest of the world so this creates a bit of a pickle for the likes of Hindley who just cant understand why we cant just lob the pigskin into the box and hope for the best….
Fair enough we’ve took a few punches along the way but we are by no means out for the count!
And to call Martinez a failure when he has kept the club for last 2 seasons without a striker who cannot hit the fucking back of the net like all strikers should do is insane and surely only strengthens the fact that tactically we are very strong.
As said previously in another thread if Martinez had the money that Bruce was spending on an average season we could easily afford Defoe or a simlilar striker of his quality…
Perhaps Whelan should get his hands in his pockets eh the tight ol’ sod ?
If I was him and read some of the shite on here I’d think bollox to ya ill leave ya where I found ya you ungreatful bar stuords.
My suspicion is 99% of the so called “darksiders” would do a dissapearing act if we started plummeting through the leagues so they can pick a new team to bitch and moan about….
rant over.
I’ve watched this team for 35 years so your high and mighty opinion that I’m not a proper supporter doesn’t really stand up. And I’m sorry but if you honestly believe that Bob is laying the foundations for a footballing dynasty :woohoo:
And you call me a retard.
I would love to know what the Boselli business was all about because when you think about it it is insane !!!!He’s no fekin good, worse than what we have, he’s out on loan, we save money by not paying him.
Why is that insane?
Red maggots are best.
Because he is on loan to the club we paid in excess of £6million for !! Good business from their point of view especially as he is currently their joint top scorer as well !!
Agree on that point pal, whatever we paid, and it wasn’t £6m. It would have been if he had ‘made it’,goals. appearences etc.
But it’s not insane that we don’t have to pay a player 35k a week to play in the reserves don’t you agree.?
And according to Martinez we will get our money back anyway.
He took a chance, it failed,he’s admitted it, just as many managers do.It was 7.1 Euros to be exact paid over in one payment ! I think we should have kept hold of him and played him with a foil ! RM was warned that Boselli would not be the man for a lone striker role but he ignored this and went ahead regardless and we all saw what happened there didnt we ! However RM did eventually mould him into a loan striker !!
This debate and some doubts re staff isn’t just here either !!
http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=558&fid=516&sty=2&act=1&mid=2115189913
And I’m sorry but if you honestly believe that Bob is laying the foundations for a footballing dynasty :woohoo:If you mean ‘is he winning games with regularity?’, then the answer is no.
If you mean ‘is he trying to get the club producing its own young player and thus helping it become self sufficient?’ then the answer is yes.
No doubt there will be a queue of people ready to disagree with that last point.
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