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That’s a very good link, thanks, may I add a few.
Hull 1986 11,500 (5th Round)
Chesterfied. 81, 9000 (Nearly 30 years ago)
Northwich Victoria, 77, 11000 (Over 30 years ago)
Sheff. Wed, 77, 13000 (Over 30 years ago)Right lets go back a bit further and then tell me if the support is still there.
1970 Peterboro, 17300 (Over 30 years ago)
1969 Port vale, 12000 (Over 30 years ago)
1953 Newcastle 26000 (Over 30 years ago)
There’s more.Like I said, thanks for the link, good one.
BTW I’m not a journo and………………… I’m not lazy. :?
No problem with giving you the link, I found it on this forum a few weeks ago – anything to educate!!!!!
Your critera was 3rd round home ties 20 years ago, not 4th or 5th Round ties or ones from 30+ years ago
If I were you guys, I would worry about about crowds and not anyone
else’s.
5000+ was pathetic for an FA cup tie. We would have got nearly double that 20 years ago.Please show me where my criteria states the 3rd round.
And while I’m at it let me educate you.
1985 is not 20 years ago, and neither is 1986.Next.
If I were you guys, I would worry about about crowds and not anyone
else’s.
5000+ was pathetic for an FA cup tie. We would have got nearly double that 20 years ago.Please show me where my criteria states the 3rd round.
And while I’m at it let me educate you.
1985 is not 20 years ago, and neither is 1986.Next.
19, 23 and 24 years is a DAMN site nearer than 29, 33, 40, 41 and 57 years ago, innit bell… jog on
next…
Charlie Manson mate, Charlie MansonHe was great in those vigailante films, but his Russian/Polish accent in the Great Escape was bobbins
If I were you guys, I would worry about about crowds and not anyone
else’s.
5000+ was pathetic for an FA cup tie. We would have got nearly double that 20 years ago.Please show me where my criteria states the 3rd round.
And while I’m at it let me educate you.
1985 is not 20 years ago, and neither is 1986.Next.
Where you on many away terraces in the 80s with Latics John. Those that were there know who were there. You could name the faces at away games in those days with the 50 on the Latics liner plus 20 others being the stalwarts. I cant recall you being at many!
The ‘big’ clubs won’t go for it because there is clearly more chance of them NOT winning the FA Cup than coming 4th in the league.A play-off between the FA cup winners and the 4th placed league team would be an interesting compromise.
Absolutely right. I forget which pundit I heard suggest it, but he also stated it would never happen.
The FA have handed the four places to the Premier League and they are not going to hand one place back for the sake of the FA Cup.
Turkeys do not vote for Christmas.
For me, it’s simple. Almost everything in the game today is driven by money. It starts at the top when the big teams who can afford big squads started playing a second string, so they could focus on the riches of the Premiership and Champions Laegue. Teams like Wigan, desperate to get to the Prem, followed suit. All in the pursuit of money.The big question is how to reverse this trend and again I’m a simple soul, so my answer is very one dimensional. Winners go into Champions League. That one action would trigger the greed in almost all clubs, desperate to qualify. that would revitalise interest overnight.
Surely this would make it a European Cup winners Cup, if the rest of Europe followed suit. Oh hang on, hasn’t that been done already and is now the Europa League?? Maybe the top 4 or 6 (and Newcastle of course :lol: ) should just feck off and fight it out with their Euro counterparts eh??
If I were you guys, I would worry about about crowds and not anyone
else’s.
5000+ was pathetic for an FA cup tie. We would have got nearly double that 20 years ago.Please show me where my criteria states the 3rd round.
And while I’m at it let me educate you.
1985 is not 20 years ago, and neither is 1986.Next.
Where you on many away terraces in the 80s with Latics John. Those that were there know who were there. You could name the faces at away games in those days with the 50 on the Latics liner plus 20 others being the stalwarts. I cant recall you being at many![/quote]
FYI pal,(whoever you are) as it happens I was there in the late 70’s’ and early 80’s
Then along came the kids, a new house, a big mortgage and 7 day working to pay for it all. So latics away from 83-87 had to be removed from my portfolio of entertainment.
Is that ok with you and answered your question?The ‘big’ clubs won’t go for it because there is clearly more chance of them NOT winning the FA Cup than coming 4th in the league.
A play-off between the FA cup winners and the 4th placed league team would be an interesting compromise.Griff your suggestion is a good one but it has one fundemental problem:-
2009 Chealsea 2-1 Everton
2008 Portsmouth 1-0 Cardiff
2007 Chelsea 1-0 Manchester United
2006 Liverpool 3-1 penalties 3-3 after extra time West Ham United
2005 Arsenal 5-4 penalties 0-0 after extra time Manchester United
2004 Manchester United 3-0 Millwall
2003 Arsenal 1-0 Southampton
2002 Arsenal 2-0 Chelsea
2001 Liverpool 2-1 Arsenal
2000 Chelsea 1-0 Aston Villa
1999 Manchester United 2-0 Newcastle
1998 Arsenal 2-0 Newcastle
1997 Chelsea 2-0 Middlesbrough
1996 Manchester United 1-0 Liverpool
1995 Everton 1-0 Manchester United
1994 Manchester United 4-0 Chelsea
1993 Arsenal 2-1 Sheffield Wednesday
1992 Liverpool 2-0 Sunderland
1991 Tottenham Hotspur 2-1 Nottingham Forest
1990 Manchester United 4-3 Crystal Palace
1989 Liverpool 3-2 Evertonin the last 20 years we would only have had 2 games ,well in actual fact one game because when portsmouth won it in 08 it was the first time a ‘non top 4 side’ had won it since spurs in 91, and in 91 there was no champions league as we know it now,
this probably shows that the top 4 do indeed take the fa cup seriously,or worse still they know they are that far ahead of the bunch they can get away with playing their ties with mixtures of reserve and youth team players.
someone else suggested giving the 4th place champions league spot to the fa cup winners, this also would have made little difference,portsmouth would have qualified in 2008 instead of arsenal,and liverpool would have ousted everton in 2006,as liverpool fa cup winners , still qualified for the champions league on a technicality which was changed after that issue,so the only change would have been portsmouth in(2008/9),everton out(2006/07) or as you suggest griff a playoff in 2008 pompey v arsenal.would this merit the change,you suggest?
The Big Four are called that because they are, and have been, by and large, streets in front of the rest. So it’s not unsurprising that they have won almost every FA Cup going in recent times.
But your point is fair, and I have to confess to not giving this a huge amount of thought, but…
If the cup winners have already qualified for the champions league by finishing 1, 2 or 3, then the play-off spot could go to the cup runner-up, just as used to happen with the old cup-winners cup, I think. Obviously, if the cup winners finished 4th in the league there would be no need for a play-off and the Sky TV brigade would have to sate themselves with a re-run of one of the Liverpool/Newcastle 4-all draws from way back when.
But actually, my suggestion was aimed more at the clubs (like Wigan, Fulham, Hull, etc) who currently field weak teams because they are worried about risking their over-worked darlings in an FA Cup match that offers them nothing in terms of helping to secure next season’s PL place. If winning the FA Cup offered them the chance to enter the CL and thus earn even more cash than the Pl season offers, they may have more incentive to take it seriously.
It’s moot anyway, because it won’t happen.
If I were you guys, I would worry about about crowds and not anyone
else’s.
5000+ was pathetic for an FA cup tie. We would have got nearly double that 20 years ago.
See how far we have come. :roll:good post that, if noone turned up for a game some people would say its bcause man united and liverpool are only up the road
The Big Four are called that because they are, and have been, by and large, streets in front of the rest. So it’s not unsurprising that they have won almost every FA Cup going in recent times.But your point is fair, and I have to confess to not giving this a huge amount of thought, but…
If the cup winners have already qualified for the champions league by finishing 1, 2 or 3, then the play-off spot could go to the cup runner-up, just as used to happen with the old cup-winners cup, I think. Obviously, if the cup winners finished 4th in the league there would be no need for a play-off and the Sky TV brigade would have to sate themselves with a re-run of one of the Liverpool/Newcastle 4-all draws from way back when.
But actually, my suggestion was aimed more at the clubs (like Wigan, Fulham, Hull, etc) who currently field weak teams because they are worried about risking their over-worked darlings in an FA Cup match that offers them nothing in terms of helping to secure next season’s PL place. If winning the FA Cup offered them the chance to enter the CL and thus earn even more cash than the Pl season offers, they may have more incentive to take it seriously.
It’s moot anyway, because it won’t happen.i agree with you in everything you have said and as a football fan would love to see something done to break the big 4 stanglehold on everything, i was just pointing out the pitfalls, the main area of concern to me is that we (and other teams of similar standing) dont put effort into winning the fa cup because ‘we dont think we can win it mentality’ .
the goings on at portsmouth since they won 18 months ago will probably convince all but the biggest gamblers/extremely rich club chairmen that there are no actual benifits from winning it apart from a day out at wembley for the supporters,and in the whole premiership/sky scheme of things we both know how highly fans are thought of.
the goings on at portsmouth since they won 18 months ago will probably convince all but the biggest gamblers/extremely rich club chairmen that there are no actual benifits from winning it apart from a day out at wembley for the supporters,and in the whole premiership/sky scheme of things we both know how highly fans are thought of.Nailed on for us to go and win it this year, innit? :D
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