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That’s why I asked the question egg coz I knew the players would be the ones to take the blame. Some simply refuse to admit that the system is shite . The players are told how they are to be set up and loss of form is expected if they don’t know how to play the system properly that’s down to bad coaching.
Playing one up front hasn’t been the problem. The problem has been play too many midfielders in the same mould. A lone striker should never be left as isolated as ours has this season.That’s what I’m getting at otter if you are gonna play one up the midfield has to be offensive and mobile and the ball must be moved quickly. The system we have adopted is simply not working. How many times have folk on here bemoaned the fact we haven’t had single shots on goal. The players cannot be blamed if the team is lop sided.
That’s why I asked the question egg coz I knew the players would be the ones to take the blame. Some simply refuse to admit that the system is shite . The players are told how they are to be set up and loss of form is expected if they don’t know how to play the system properly that’s down to bad coaching.The system isn’t shite.
Of the top ten teams in the Championship, eight of them play with one striker (the two that don’t are Sheff Wed and Brighton). And it’s exactly the same for the Premier League (Leicester don’t and Southampton are 50/50)
It worked well for us last year.
The problem is the squad that Joyce brought in, and his coaching – not the fact we play with one striker.
We won the league last season playing it and our lone striker scored 25 goals.The basic fact this season regardless of the formation we played is that most of our players were out of their depth.
We won the league last season despite playing one up top. We won the league because we had the financial clout to bring in players who should without any doubt have won that league. That and a more positive midfield than we have seen this season.
That’s why I asked the question egg coz I knew the players would be the ones to take the blame. Some simply refuse to admit that the system is shite . The players are told how they are to be set up and loss of form is expected if they don’t know how to play the system properly that’s down to bad coaching.
The system isn’t shite.
Of the top ten teams in the Championship, eight of them play with one striker (the two that don’t are Sheff Wed and Brighton). And it’s exactly the same for the Premier League (Leicester don’t and Southampton are 50/50)
It worked well for us last year.
The problem is the squad that Joyce brought in, and his coaching – not the fact we play with one striker.[/quote]
Agreed the players which Joyce brought in were awfull and Joyce came and played to limit the damage. The rot had set in with the very man who had had a decent squad with a positive midfield but changed tactics to one of caution. Caldwell should take equal blame as Joyce.That’s why I asked the question egg coz I knew the players would be the ones to take the blame. Some simply refuse to admit that the system is shite . The players are told how they are to be set up and loss of form is expected if they don’t know how to play the system properly that’s down to bad coaching.
The system isn’t shite.
Of the top ten teams in the Championship, eight of them play with one striker (the two that don’t are Sheff Wed and Brighton). And it’s exactly the same for the Premier League (Leicester don’t and Southampton are 50/50)
It worked well for us last year.
The problem is the squad that Joyce brought in, and his coaching – not the fact we play with one striker.[/quote]
Standish, I’m not against the lone striker but the team has to be set up correctly to be any good. I truly believe that we haven’t the quality of player to adapt to our style. Grigg and Bogle have probably never been asked to play the way we want them to. I think its unfair to berate the players all the time. We are now in the lower leagues and have players at that standard so why try to emulate the way we played in the Prem. I believe that 4-4-2 is easier to play if you haven’t the quality in your squad . Yes recruitment has done a lot of damage but you cannot hide from the stats and that is down to the managers/coaches. I still think we can go back up if we keep what we have as long as change the negativity in our playing style.
Best football I’ve ever seen at Wigan was the Roberts Ellington era under PJ and its 4-4-2 that got us into the Premier league originally. To me the answer is we either bring in the players to play the current system which will not come cheap or we adapt a style to suit the calibre of player we already have.Look at my Avatar;
What game was that photo from ?
What formation did we play that day ( that season, in fact )?
How many strikers did we have on the pitch that day ?
In a must not lose game, did we got for it or take the softly, softly cautious approach ?That season, we went home with sore throats and exhausted after thrilling games !
We won the league last season playing it and our lone striker scored 25 goals.
The basic fact this season regardless of the formation we played is that most of our players were out of their depth.
We won the league last season despite playing one up top. We won the league because we had the financial clout to bring in players who should without any doubt have won that league. That and a more positive midfield than we have seen this season.[/quote]
What ya been smokin you?
Look at my Avatar;What game was that photo from ?
What formation did we play that day ( that season, in fact )?
How many strikers did we have on the pitch that day ?
In a must not lose game, did we got for it or take the softly, softly cautious approach ?That season, we went home with sore throats and exhausted after thrilling games !
Everyone played 442 in those days, until they started getting regularly beaten by teams who packed the midfield.
You can argue about formations until the cows come home. The fact is whatever formation we played this season the emphasis was on caution and not getting beat and as a result of that and the lack of positivity going forward we scored fuck all and most people know that you have to score to win! Rosler had the right mindset when he first took over with his rapid movement through midfield within so many seconds tactic but for some strange reason something went wrong and he lost the dressing room and eventually the confidence of his chairman?
You can argue about formations until the cows come home. The fact is whatever formation we played this season the emphasis was on caution and not getting beat and as a result of that and the lack of positivity going forward we scored fuck all and most people know that you have to score to win! Rosler had the right mindset when he first took over with his rapid movement through midfield within so many seconds tactic but for some strange reason something went wrong and he lost the dressing room and eventually the confidence of his chairman?Rosler talked that tactic but he sure as hell never played it. Ever.
at the end of the day, there is no right or wrong formation per se. The right formation is the one that suits the players you have at your disposal.
Last summer, Caldwell seemed to make the decision to abandon the 4-3-3 system that one him Lge1 (it wasn’t 1 up top) & go for a wing back system. problem was that the players he had weren’t suited to that system & in all honesty many weren’t good enough for the championship – that became clear during pre-season. Another problem was that many of the players that he assumed would be able to handle the system & the step up (Grigg, Power, Jacobs, Wildschutt) either couldn’t or blew hot & cold. A final problem was that most of the players he did bring in were either garbage or not suited to the system either.
Latics weren’t scoring exactly free scoring early doors but the goals were there but Caldwell got the jitters at the 4-3 defeat to Forest & decided to tighten it up at the back. It worked but the goals dried up. He couldn’t get the balance right.
Joyce came in & clearly didn’t rate the squad & decided to go for an approach of being hard to beat & nicking goals on the break. I thought it looked good against Huddersfield but he didn’t have the players for that system long term either. His recruitment was even worse than Caldwell’s & he just retreated into a more & more defensive set up.We didn’t go down coz we played one up top
You can argue about formations until the cows come home. The fact is whatever formation we played this season the emphasis was on caution and not getting beat and as a result of that and the lack of positivity going forward we scored fuck all and most people know that you have to score to win! Rosler had the right mindset when he first took over with his rapid movement through midfield within so many seconds tactic but for some strange reason something went wrong and he lost the dressing room and eventually the confidence of his chairman?
Rosler talked that tactic but he sure as hell never played it. Ever.
at the end of the day, there is no right or wrong formation per se. The right formation is the one that suits the players you have at your disposal.
Last summer, Caldwell seemed to make the decision to abandon the 4-3-3 system that one him Lge1 (it wasn’t 1 up top) & go for a wing back system. problem was that the players he had weren’t suited to that system & in all honesty many weren’t good enough for the championship – that became clear during pre-season. Another problem was that many of the players that he assumed would be able to handle the system & the step up (Grigg, Power, Jacobs, Wildschutt) either couldn’t or blew hot & cold. A final problem was that most of the players he did bring in were either garbage or not suited to the system either.
Latics weren’t scoring exactly free scoring early doors but the goals were there but Caldwell got the jitters at the 4-3 defeat to Forest & decided to tighten it up at the back. It worked but the goals dried up. He couldn’t get the balance right.
Joyce came in & clearly didn’t rate the squad & decided to go for an approach of being hard to beat & nicking goals on the break. I thought it looked good against Huddersfield but he didn’t have the players for that system long term either. His recruitment was even worse than Caldwell’s & he just retreated into a more & more defensive set up.We didn’t go down coz we played one up top[/quote]
Thank you very much tilders.
You can argue about formations until the cows come home. The fact is whatever formation we played this season the emphasis was on caution and not getting beat and as a result of that and the lack of positivity going forward we scored fuck all and most people know that you have to score to win! Rosler had the right mindset when he first took over with his rapid movement through midfield within so many seconds tactic but for some strange reason something went wrong and he lost the dressing room and eventually the confidence of his chairman?
Rosler talked that tactic but he sure as hell never played it. Ever.
at the end of the day, there is no right or wrong formation per se. The right formation is the one that suits the players you have at your disposal.
Last summer, Caldwell seemed to make the decision to abandon the 4-3-3 system that one him Lge1 (it wasn’t 1 up top) & go for a wing back system. problem was that the players he had weren’t suited to that system & in all honesty many weren’t good enough for the championship – that became clear during pre-season. Another problem was that many of the players that he assumed would be able to handle the system & the step up (Grigg, Power, Jacobs, Wildschutt) either couldn’t or blew hot & cold. A final problem was that most of the players he did bring in were either garbage or not suited to the system either.
Latics weren’t scoring exactly free scoring early doors but the goals were there but Caldwell got the jitters at the 4-3 defeat to Forest & decided to tighten it up at the back. It worked but the goals dried up. He couldn’t get the balance right.
Joyce came in & clearly didn’t rate the squad & decided to go for an approach of being hard to beat & nicking goals on the break. I thought it looked good against Huddersfield but he didn’t have the players for that system long term either. His recruitment was even worse than Caldwell’s & he just retreated into a more & more defensive set up.We didn’t go down coz we played one up top[/quote]
Rosler took us to the play offs and another FA Cup semi final with what I thought was decent football but something went wrong the following season and since then the rot has set in. Yeah we bounced back, who wouldn’t in our circumstances but the rot is back!
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