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With hindsight and a fairly rough idea of how the club is heading financially do you think it is safe to say that the Championship is our pinnacle ?
If that is the sceanario we face then surely our ambitions will be severly curtailed, why would we want to do well for fear of going back up ? It would be some sort of limbo or catch 22 situation !
They say we are killing our planet, well we are certainly killing the beautiful game and one day the game will implode. It did ok before tv came along and so why couldnt it survive without it ! Turn off the tv’s and get football live again ! :angry-soapbox:Interesting perspective, but football was awful before TV came along, Sky has gone too far with the image and control. I would be surprised if the current financial boom stops, given the billions of people turning on to support in the far east. The game will change and you will like it even less.
As for Wigan’s pinnacle, every day is a joy from where we used to be, Bobby and Whelan you may dislike, but from Rochdale away on 1991, look how far we have come :)
At which point in time are you using as a basis that “football was awful before TV came along”
1992/93 when Sky got involved. Live TV in the 80’s. Live coverage of big games from around the 1940’s or highlights programmes from whenever MOTD started up
I’m almost 36 & can just about remember football from the late 70’s. I enjoyed it then as a 4 yr old, I enjoyed it throught the 80’s, 90’s & 00’s
Stadiums are for the most part safer & facilities in the grounds are better post 1989 but I’m completely baffled as to the basis for claiming that football was awful before TVInteresting perspective, but football was awful before TV came along, Sky has gone too far with the image and control. I would be surprised if the current financial boom stops, given the billions of people turning on to support in the far east. The game will change and you will like it even less.As for Wigan’s pinnacle, every day is a joy from where we used to be, Bobby and Whelan you may dislike, but from Rochdale away on 1991, look how far we have come :)
For the record I do not dislike either DW or RM ! I dont think RM is up to the task and DW needs to cut down on his sound bites but thats all I think about those two !
At which point in time are you using as a basis that “football was awful before TV came along”1992/93 when Sky got involved. Live TV in the 80’s. Live coverage of big games from around the 1940’s or highlights programmes from whenever MOTD started up
I’m almost 36 & can just about remember football from the late 70’s. I enjoyed it then as a 4 yr old, I enjoyed it throught the 80’s, 90’s & 00’s
Stadiums are for the most part safer & facilities in the grounds are better post 1989 but I’m completely baffled as to the basis for claiming that football was awful before TVFootball in the 80 was what I was referring too, ITV sports coverage of live games was terrible, the violence in the game was shocking and the general conditions of watching the game were awful. Maybe just my perspective, but the change to the modern game has improved pretty much every aspect of the game. The quality of the players is better, and at least now the people who play the game make most of the money, not the chairmen who sat on the takings.
Bit pedantic but if we have already played in the Premier League, how can the Championship be our pinnacle?
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I think our pinnacle could well be a 10th place finish in the Premier League and a Carling Cup final appearance :doh:
I think our pinnacle could well be a 10th place finish in the Premier League and a Carling Cup final appearance :doh:I think he might have meant ‘Our Level’, rather than pinnacle.
I see our level as a fair to middling Championship club.
Football in the 80 was what I was referring too, ITV sports coverage of live games was terrible, the violence in the game was shocking and the general conditions of watching the game were awful. Maybe just my perspective, but the change to the modern game has improved pretty much every aspect of the game. The quality of the players is better, and at least now the people who play the game make most of the money, not the chairmen who sat on the takings.Not much of what you said relates to the football though does it? Or to the effect TV has had on it
TV had no effect on the violence at games. If you were at the game of a team you supported ITV’s live coverage didn’t really matter much. Nor has TV had any effect on the general conditions of watching a game – The Taylor Report was responsible for thatAbout the only way that I can see how TV has improved the game is that the vast amount of money SKY have given the premier league & to a lesser extent the lower divisions has enabled some clubs to bring some of the best players in the world to the premier league
On the other hand its also allowed some very very mediocre players (foreign & domestic) to earn money way & above the level their talents would dictate.
The Sky TV money has also done a hell of alot to increase the gap between the haves & the have nots in football. Never before has the top flight been so polarised & never before have so many clubs in it been content to merely tread waterI’m not going to go all “I was there when we played Old Etonians in 1893…” but quite a number of years ago I remember my son and I agreeing, as we were in one of those seemingly interminable seasons trying to get out of what I still call the Third Division, that it would be really good to be an established “Second Division” club, because then we might (just might) have one season where we crept into the Premiership.
I am really pleased we have been where we have, and if we can be an established Second level team (and maybe that’ll be Premiership II at some stage) with an occasional foray for a year or six into the top league, then I’ll be content.
I’m not going to go all “I was there when we played Old Etonians in 1893…” but quite a number of years ago I remember my son and I agreeing, as we were in one of those seemingly interminable seasons trying to get out of what I still call the Third Division, that it would be really good to be an established “Second Division” club, because then we might (just might) have one season where we crept into the Premiership.I am really pleased we have been where we have, and if we can be an established Second level team (and maybe that’ll be Premiership II at some stage) with an occasional foray for a year or six into the top league, then I’ll be content.
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Picking up the odd parachute payment would swell the coffers a bit, as well.
I was always convinced that’s what Bolton did when they were in their yo-yo days:
one season in the Premier League attracting crowds for novelty value/top players on show, next season Championship (or whatever it was called) with success and getting them through the gates that way.
Can be recycled quite a number of times.
The problem we have is that the novelty value of seeing top Premiership players has gone. Replace with a season of winning and Roberto is your Dad’s brother.
Finally, A thread in which every thread is correct. The championship has to be the maximum level for Latics. Building a 25,000 all seater and pre-proclaiming Europe disenchanted a lot of people. Do you not think if all the self praising and we are going to do this and that without any substance has had a big effect on people actually going. This post is not me having a pop (for a change, Someone has to take Dave’s former crown :? ) This is a reality post, and a substantial one at that. Why cant we be a championship side yo-yoing (spelling) every so often, and having a season of optimism here and there rather than just clinging on to 17th place every season. It has been boring for 4 seasons and change is very much needed somewhere. I like being a lower league club having cup runs e.t.c, I enjoyed it in div 2 and 3 but now the level probably has to be one of West Brom or a Wolves maybe. We have proved that the Premiership was just a romance (a six year one granted) and that clubs like Blackpool e.t.c can make a few bob out of it. However when Rupert Murdoch completes his takeover the lesser teams in the Premiership will be rogered for the sky cash and he will pump it into the lower leagues. Us getting relegated this season would be the best thing to happen for us for 5 years. Sounds silly doesn’t it. true though. I want to go watching a team with a purpose not just for the sake of it.
Finally, A thread in which every thread is correct.And we’re all soooooo glad, it meets with your approval
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