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I’ve read sporadic posts about the ‘FA Cup Champions’ song and the arguments as to whether or not it is correct. I see myself as being a bit of a pedant as far as use of the great English language is concerned, and I must say that, on balance and on points, I agree with the great unwashed that ‘FA Cup Champions’ is correct as far as carrying vocal weight to opposing fans and self satisfaction is concerned. Though not of lingual perfection, ‘Champions’ conveys the warmth, gravity, and the syllables, that ‘Winners’ and ‘Holders’ do not.
The latter are not certainly incorrect, in a lingual sense, but lack considerably in comparison to the former as far as singability is concerned.
I don’t think the wording of the song matters as long as the meaning is the same . The boo boys can have an effect on opposition players, remember Nathan Ellington getting taken off after a nightmare for West Brom against us at the Hawthorns, although fans should never boo their own players . Jordi Gomez is having a decent season & you tubers seeing some of his goals could think he’s world class, in the past at times he has been ineffective or lightweight & because he’s not a blood, sweat n tears type player he has divided opinion, he certainly hasn’t deserved some of the stick he’s received in the past though . The ticket office have strict guidelines to adhere to, to ensure tickets are sold to the correct fans & fairly, sometimes they seem to give misinformation though eg a fan with a heart condition was told there were no tickets left for the lower tier at Bolton by one person at the ticket office, a mate of his offered to swap if he bought an upper tier ticket, he returned to the ticket office & was told lower tier tickets were available, this is one of many similar instances which are strange & it seems that some working in the ticket office do what they can to be helpful and others can’t be bothered .
I’ve read sporadic posts about the ‘FA Cup Champions’ song and the arguments as to whether or not it is correct. I see myself as being a bit of a pedant as far as use of the great English language is concerned, and I must say that, on balance and on points, I agree with the great unwashed that ‘FA Cup Champions’ is correct as far as carrying vocal weight to opposing fans and self satisfaction is concerned. Though not of lingual perfection, ‘Champions’ conveys the warmth, gravity, and the syllables, that ‘Winners’ and ‘Holders’ do not.The latter are not certainly incorrect, in a lingual sense, but lack considerably in comparison to the former as far as singability is concerned.
My point being, no other club in the 142 year history of the FA Cup has ever referred to themselves as FA Cup champions, literally correct or not! No more to say on the subject – it’s been done to death, and I’m sure we’re all bored to tears with it.
However, your comment about warmth and gravity is the biggest load of cheesy, luvvie, thespian bullshit I have ever seen written on this forum ;)
I don’t think the wording of the song matters as long as the meaning is the same . The boo boys can have an effect on opposition players, remember Nathan Ellington getting taken off after a nightmare for West Brom against us at the Hawthorns, although fans should never boo their own players . Jordi Gomez is having a decent season & you tubers seeing some of his goals could think he’s world class, in the past at times he has been ineffective or lightweight & because he’s not a blood, sweat n tears type player he has divided opinion, he certainly hasn’t deserved some of the stick he’s received in the past though . The ticket office have strict guidelines to adhere to, to ensure tickets are sold to the correct fans & fairly, sometimes they seem to give misinformation though eg a fan with a heart condition was told there were no tickets left for the lower tier at Bolton by one person at the ticket office, a mate of his offered to swap if he bought an upper tier ticket, he returned to the ticket office & was told lower tier tickets were available, this is one of many similar instances which are strange & it seems that some working in the ticket office do what they can to be helpful and others can’t be bothered .Just ask yourself why the ticket office would do that? Why would they say there were no tickets left if – at that point in time – they had tickets left to sell? The club does not simply get a pile of 2000, 3000 or 4000 tickets (or whatever the total allocation might be) and the work through them one by one until they are gone. There is all manner of logistical hoops they sometimes have to go through. I’m not saying they are necessarily the most efficeint, slickest organisation in the world, but they are by no means the incompetent bunch of idiots they are made out to be, either.
I don’t think the wording of the song matters as long as the meaning is the same . The boo boys can have an effect on opposition players, remember Nathan Ellington getting taken off after a nightmare for West Brom against us at the Hawthorns, although fans should never boo their own players . Jordi Gomez is having a decent season & you tubers seeing some of his goals could think he’s world class, in the past at times he has been ineffective or lightweight & because he’s not a blood, sweat n tears type player he has divided opinion, he certainly hasn’t deserved some of the stick he’s received in the past though . The ticket office have strict guidelines to adhere to, to ensure tickets are sold to the correct fans & fairly, sometimes they seem to give misinformation though eg a fan with a heart condition was told there were no tickets left for the lower tier at Bolton by one person at the ticket office, a mate of his offered to swap if he bought an upper tier ticket, he returned to the ticket office & was told lower tier tickets were available, this is one of many similar instances which are strange & it seems that some working in the ticket office do what they can to be helpful and others can’t be bothered .Just ask yourself why the ticket office would do that? Why would they say there were no tickets left if – at that point in time – they had tickets left to sell? The club does not simply get a pile of 2000, 3000 or 4000 tickets (or whatever the total allocation might be) and the work through them one by one until they are gone. There is all manner of logistical hoops they sometimes have to go through. I’m not saying they are necessarily the most efficeint, slickest organisation in the world, but they are by no means the incompetent bunch of idiots they are made out to be, either.
I’ve read sporadic posts about the ‘FA Cup Champions’ song and the arguments as to whether or not it is correct. I see myself as being a bit of a pedant as far as use of the great English language is concerned, and I must say that, on balance and on points, I agree with the great unwashed that ‘FA Cup Champions’ is correct as far as carrying vocal weight to opposing fans and self satisfaction is concerned. Though not of lingual perfection, ‘Champions’ conveys the warmth, gravity, and the syllables, that ‘Winners’ and ‘Holders’ do not.
The latter are not certainly incorrect, in a lingual sense, but lack considerably in comparison to the former as far as singability is concerned.
My point being, no other club in the 142 year history of the FA Cup has ever referred to themselves as FA Cup champions, literally correct or not! No more to say on the subject – it’s been done to death, and I’m sure we’re all bored to tears with it.
However, your comment about warmth and gravity is the biggest load of cheesy, luvvie, thespian bullshit I have ever seen written on this forum ;)[/quote]
Why thank you, that’s the best back-handed compliment I’ve had in a while ;)
As I said, some can be helpful & others can’t be arsed, incompetence though would be getting your avatar wrong or posting the same message twice
I’ve read sporadic posts about the ‘FA Cup Champions’ song and the arguments as to whether or not it is correct. I see myself as being a bit of a pedant as far as use of the great English language is concerned, and I must say that, on balance and on points, I agree with the great unwashed that ‘FA Cup Champions’ is correct as far as carrying vocal weight to opposing fans and self satisfaction is concerned. Though not of lingual perfection, ‘Champions’ conveys the warmth, gravity, and the syllables, that ‘Winners’ and ‘Holders’ do not.
The latter are not certainly incorrect, in a lingual sense, but lack considerably in comparison to the former as far as singability is concerned.
My point being, no other club in the 142 year history of the FA Cup has ever referred to themselves as FA Cup champions, literally correct or not! No more to say on the subject – it’s been done to death, and I’m sure we’re all bored to tears with it.
However, your comment about warmth and gravity is the biggest load of cheesy, luvvie, thespian bullshit I have ever seen written on this forum ;)[/quote]
The Champions thing really gets on my nerves as well. The massive boards the players celebrated in front of last year tell you exactly what we are.
It made me laugh in 2009 when Warrington rugby fans would refer to themselves as the Challenge Cup Champions. They even claimed to have won the double in 2010 after winning it again, I put that down to their lack of an actual championship win since 1953 and the old small club mentality. Sadly, we seem to be doing the exact same thing.
Unfortunately the “well nobody has ever used that phrase to describe themselves before” is hardly the most convincing argument around. All words & phrases originate somewhere
At the end of the day it is grammatically acceptable & (more importantly) it fits in with the song far better than “winners”Mind you, I’m also the kind of guy who has always found the use of “Crwho?” amusing to describe our friends from Gresty Road
Unfortunately the “well nobody has ever used that phrase to describe themselves before” is hardly the most convincing argument around. All words & phrases originate somewhere
At the end of the day it is grammatically acceptable & (more importantly) it fits in with the song far better than “winners”The reason why nobody has used it is a perfectly good argument though. It isn’t true. We are not the Champions of the FA Cup. We are the winners of the FA Cup.
Did Liverpool and Man Utd trade “Championees Championees” chants in 2001 when one won the cup and the other won the league? No, because Liverpool were the cup winners not the champions.
The club have produced a t-shirt with it on now and it still doesn’t make it true just like my belly would not be the fuel tank for a sex machine should I purchase one of those t-shirts from Benidorm.
Unfortunately the “well nobody has ever used that phrase to describe themselves before” is hardly the most convincing argument around. All words & phrases originate somewhere
At the end of the day it is grammatically acceptable & (more importantly) it fits in with the song far better than “winners”Ok, so 142 years of football fans have been out-grammared by a bunch of mongs from ES2? FA Cup gobshites is also grammatically acceptable and that too fits in with the song.
FA Cup gobshites
They exist though. There’s one in your avatar.
;) :P[/quote]
You wouldn’t catch me in ES2 though – far too refined for that ;)
The reason why nobody has used it is a perfectly good argument though. It isn’t true. We are not the Champions of the FA Cup. We are the winners of the FA Cup.Did Liverpool and Man Utd trade “Championees Championees” chants in 2001 when one won the cup and the other won the league? No, because Liverpool were the cup winners not the champions.
The club have produced a t-shirt with it on now and it still doesn’t make it true just like my belly would not be the fuel tank for a sex machine should I purchase one of those t-shirts from Benidorm.
It isn’t a perfectly good argument though – all you & Griff (& others) are talking about is your own personal preference (& admittedly the preference of the vast majority of others) for the word winners over champions
Unless there is an official FA regulation stating that the team that wins the FA Cup must be referred to as winners & not champions (& there isn’t) & as the Oxford dictionary’s definition of champion is “a person/team who surpassed all rivals in a sporting contest or competition” then I’m sorry but a team who wins the FA Cup can quite rightly claim to be the FA Cup champions
For what it’s worth I was at a cup final involving United at some point in the 90’s & when they won, their fans (& players) were singing “championees” so they considered it acceptable too. I didn;t hear any pedanitc feckers in the crowd round me whinging that people should stop singing it coz they were the “winners” & not “champions”I have neither met you, nor seen you getting down & dirty, to be able counter your argument that your belly is not the fuel tank for a sex machine – Mine is & I’ve got the t-shirt to prove it!! ;) :woohoo:
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