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Two points……I think it says everything when a Watford player turns down a move to the DW and, maybe Hugo’s agent will now stop trying to tell us that all the big clubs in UK and Europe are chasing his useless striker.
Apart from Al Habsi, has Martinez brought any player in, at any time, who has actually improved the team?he probably said it because you said this“No Hindley, I’ve got a strong suspicion that Martinez was convinced there were several signings in the bag.”
So please explain why your OPINION is more legitimate than his OPINION, in actual fact his wasnt an opinion it was a statement asking the same as I ask you now – what leads you to the conclusion that martinez was convinced he had “several signings in the bag.”
More so are you asking everyone on here to believe that everyone of those “several signings” fell through during a 2 hour period last night when he was stood on the white hart lane touch line – I revert back to a previous post and say numerous other managers completed the task in hand, and one of those managers had been in crown court all day as well.
Further more can I ask you once again what was going on for the last 30 days that has led you to formulate your OPINION.Right, let’s break this down:
Thread title ‘after this transfer window we will be stronger’
I commented
‘Maybe he thought we would be? Don’t forget that in the last few hours of the transfer window he was at a football match.’You lamented about how other managers had managed it, when I was merely referring to the fact that Martinez was with the team in London preparing for a game and although he’d made this comment earlier, was probably now out of the loop on the progression of his transfers.
Hindley said:
‘Desperate words from a desperate man!!!! The team he has assembled is shit he knows it and anyone who knows anything about football knows it.’I said:
No Hindley, I’ve got a strong suspicion that Martinez was convinced there were several signings in the bag.Key phrase – strong suspicion: I’m not saying it’s fact or that I necessarily have or do not have proof. I’m saying it’s my opinion but I have belief in this opinion.
Tydesley commented:
‘The thing is Standish, that for all your “strong suspicion” you’ve no more evidence to back up your theory than someone who thinks he’s been doing beggar all on the transfer front for the last 30 days’Is that Tyldesley’s opinion – or is he claiming it as fact?
I replied:
‘You don’t actually know what I base my suspicions on do you Tyldesley? And if not, how can you possibly comment on my lack of evidence? So do you think the club have been sitting there doing nothing for thirty days?’I’ve asked for a response.
Tyldesley:
‘No and I never said, or even hinted, that that was what I believed.’And there is my response.
So Loudmouth, my argument is not that my opinion has more basis that Hindley’s, it’s the comment from Tyldesley presuming that there is no basis to it that I’m addressing. He doesn’t know that and neither do you.
And no, I don’t think Martinez was blissfully unaware of all his signing going belly up while he was standing on the touchline. Some would probably have failed throughout the course of the day, but really, what do you expect him to do? Call another press conference prior to game to keep the supporters updated that they’d failed in their attempts to sign blah-di-blah and that they wouldn’t be stronger after the transfer window after all?
What I am confident of saying however is when Martinez passed commented that supporters would be happy with the signings and that the team would be stronger after this transfer window earlier in the day, I’m sure he wasn’t talking about just a single player coming in.
Standish for christs sake just read this
“after this transfer window we will be stronger”
Nothing else needs to be said, Martinez made that statement and it has not proved true, perhaps he should have said nothing, although I admire your staunch defence of the man somethings are indefensible – what ever we all think and differ on martinez’s running of the club and football ethos, there is no escaping the undeniable fact that when a camera is put in front of him he dosent half talk some shit and that is what this thread is about more than who we did or didn’t sign.
On another thread some where amidst this carnage it was stated that RM tells the financial whizzkids of the club who he his after and the negotiations are carried on from there
This works at spurs when saggy chops tells his chairman who he wants and then he goes and get’s them
Standish for christs sake just read this“after this transfer window we will be stronger”
Nothing else needs to be said, Martinez made that statement and it has not proved true, perhaps he should have said nothing, although I admire your staunch defence of the man somethings are indefensible – what ever we all think and differ on martinez’s running of the club and football ethos, there is no escaping the undeniable fact that when a camera is put in front of him he dosent half talk some shit and that is what this thread is about more than who we did or didn’t sign.
Are you deliberately missing the point?
Yes, he said that earlier in the day (or it may even have been the day before) and he also said supporters would be happy with the signings. At that point he was clearly confident that there were players coming in.
Between him saying that and the end of the transfer window, players have not been signed for one reason or another.
As he was training on Monday morning, travelling Monday afternoon/evening, with the team all day Tuesday daytime and at the game Tuesday night, his involvement in the transfer wrangles from Monday morning onwards would have been minimal. I’m not sticking up for him per-se, I’m sticking up for common sense.
As and when he received phone calls to say the player he thought were signing were not doing so, what do you reasonably expect him to do? Speak to the press and say ‘Oops, sorry, I look a bit silly now. Those players I hinted at us signing have decided not to now. We’re not going to be stronger after all’
In actual fact, if I’m picking peanuts out of poo, the Martinez’s comment is correct. A player has been signed and none of the first team squad have gone. Therefore, by definition, the squad is stronger.
To what degree the squad is stronger however is debatable, and I don’t believe for a minute that Martinez was referring to merely the Beausejour signing. It may come out that players turned us down at the last minute, or it may not.
depite all that you have said again it is you missing the point
Forget about your footballing beliefs or opinions on martinez’s ability – would you not agree he talks alot of bollocks at times during interviews and that it would be better for him sometimes to ‘say nowt’
even the pundits and commentators on tv and in the press have seen through him and regularly roll their eyes at things he says.
depite all that you have said again it is you missing the pointForget about your footballing beliefs or opinions on martinez’s ability – would you not agree he talks alot of bollocks at times during interviews and that it would be better for him sometimes to ‘say nowt’
even the pundits and commentators on tv and in the press have seen through him and regularly roll their eyes at things he says.
Jesus H Christ man, are you actually going senile?
It’s got nothing to do with my footballing beliefs or what Martinez has said to the press in the past.
He’s said ‘we will be stronger after this transfer window’ – that is what this thread is about.
Have we? Yes we have. We have signed a player and nobody has left.
But is he referring to just this one signing? No, I don’t think he is. He is insinuating that more players were signing, but by 23.00, they had not.
As for saying nothing in football interviews – nothing is not an option. As a manager, part of the job is to speak to the press, and the hardest part of that is straight after a defeat. I’d certainly word some of his interviews differently if it was me being interviewed, but I can clearly see he is trying to retain some positivity and not reinforce the press view of a bitter little club that they want off their television screens.
It may come out that players turned us down at the last minute, or it may not.So do you have evidence that this was the case or do you “strongly suspect” that is what happened because of what Bobby said in that interview, the fact that some bids fell through yesterday that we are aware of &/or because somebody (regardless of who) told you?
The fact you stated you had a “strong suspicion” indicates to someone who reads it that it is just something you “suspect” as opposed to “know/have evidence” of so apologies if you do know something but maybe you should choose your words more carefully in future.On the other hand, nothing I said indicates that I am of the belief that the club did nowt to sign players for 30 days of January yet when I quite clearly state that (“no & I never said, or even hinted, that that was what I believed”) I’m asked why I said it then – when i didn’t!!! :woohoo:
Not quite sure why you’re accusing other people of being senile ;)It may come out that players turned us down at the last minute, or it may not.
So do you have evidence that this was the case or do you “strongly suspect” that is what happened because of what Bobby said in that interview, the fact that some bids fell through yesterday that we are aware of &/or because somebody (regardless of who) told you?
The fact you stated you had a “strong suspicion” indicates to someone who reads it that it is just something you “suspect” as opposed to “know/have evidence” of so apologies if you do know something but maybe you should choose your words more carefully in future.On the other hand, nothing I said indicates that I am of the belief that the club did nowt to sign players for 30 days of January yet when I quite clearly state that (“no & I never said, or even hinted, that that was what I believed”) I’m asked why I said it then – when i didn’t!!! :woohoo:
Not quite sure why you’re accusing other people of being senile ;)[/quote]
If I have evidence – I certainly wouldn’t post it on here.For a manager to talk of signings, then also to talk about getting stronger in the transfer window smacks of someone confident of more than one playing joining before last night’s deadline.
Like me, you clearly do not think the club sits around for thirty days, and then rush into action far too late on the 31st. My question was probably poorly worded, but was meant as ‘why are you questioning my post on this very subject then?’
Surely if you’re not disagreeing with what I believe to have happened, you are therefore picking an argument for the mere sake of it?
Maybe the senile comment was a bit harsh on LMB as he revealed last night that he has stopped sieving through pigeon crap these days.
To be fair, I do strongly suspect that the club have been working their @r$es off to try & get new players in but have been snubbed at every turn for one reason or another – for example if I was a championship player with the ambition to play in the top flight & I had been offered the chance to come to Latics yesterday I’d have turned it down. The club made it clear that they wanted reinforcements so to think that they only made a bid for Beausejour & no-one else until about 2pm yesterday in my opinion doesn’t make sense
Again I suspect we only know about Marappia & Maynard because their clubs wanted other clubs to know that they were open to offers & pretty much what those offers from Latics had been. Similarly in the case of Johnson turning us down I think Whelan wanted other clubs who may have been interested know that a) we were listening to offers & b) that he was prepared to accept part ex & not just cash
However I don’t have evidence as such or anyone in the know its just what I strongly suspect happened going off my experience of watching football for the last 30 odd years & Latics in general
Also contrary to how it may have appeared I wasn’t picking an argument for arguments sake but assuming you had the same hunch & pointing out that just because its what you (or I) think happened doesn’t mean that its actually what happened & that someone else has come to a completely different conclusion from the same evidence. Doesn’t make either side right or wrong
Probably shouldn’t have jumped into an argument which until that point hadn’t involved me but it does tend to get my back up when someone appears to tell someone else they’re wrong coz they’ve come to a different conclusion to them off the same evidenceIf you have evidence as I pointed out before then fair enough but my last post wasn’t asking you to name your source just whether you had any evidence as opposed to drawing your own conclusions (in much the same way I did)
I don’t have time anymore because of sieving through your crap and please dont let your insult on myself cause you any grief, it has become the main tool used against anyone who dares to suggest martinez is less than perfect and somewhat expected from those running out of creditable excuses for his ineptitude.
I don’t have time anymore because of sieving through your crap and please dont let your insult on myself cause you any grief, it has become the main tool used against anyone who dares to suggest martinez is less than perfect and somewhat expected from those running out of creditable excuses for his ineptitude.If you consider that to be an insult then clearly you don;t have as thick skin as I imagined.
I responded to this thread as way of a debate as to why the manager said the squad would be stronger, yet no further signings materialised. It has now revert back to form and has become on chapter in the Martinez depreciation club.
If only Bobby would have said that we would come out of this transfer window stronger than we have in previous ones, he’d have been bang on and negated the need for this debate.
One positive coming out of yesterday is that Bobby / DW stood firm on the promise not to let Moses and McCarthy go. There’s not been many windows since we got into the EPL where we have not lost our best playerright at the death.
I like the rest of you was a bit miffed that no players came in yesterday, although I do sympathise with Bobby when he had a moan at the transfer window closing on the same night as a game. I was hoping that he may have some second choices lined up that he could pick up without a fuss, but it wasn’t to be.If you had been listening to what Bobby has been saying about the transfer window for weeks, you’d have picked up that he feels it needs a big deal to go through in order for other dealings to kick in. If say United had made 2 or 3 big signings there is then a potential for some of their fringe players to be released or go out on loan, which then allows the receiving clubs do the same and the player market is suddenly flooded.
Has it happens the “big deal” didn’t go through, therefore the clubs are left in a position just like any other companies, i.e. with no real cash flow.I don’t want to get the Darksiders nibbling here but if we had captured the Watford defender and Andy Johnson, I’m sure it would have led to an outcry on here of “who’s he!” and ” this mons past it!”
B)From Matlock to ManU
What a journey!
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