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Anyone remember a few seasons back when we played liverpool at the DW & all the scousers, oops sorry liverpudlians, oops sorry, people from liverpool were all wearing those suarez t-shirts. He was banned for racist remarks. I believe he apologised, the matter was forgot about & everyone moved on. Why cant we as a club, dave whelan & more importantly malky mckay be allowed now to move on. They’ve all apologised so everyone should forget about it & as i say, move on.
Yeah but how many of us here weren’t having a pop at Liverpool when they stood by him eh? Funny what happens when the shoe’s on the other foot.[/quote]
I have a feeling that boro fans might have a pop at us tomorrow. But after a while everyone forgot about suarez. Same might happen with our situation
I’ve heard a lot on Talk Shite condemning DW and WAFC this last day or two, yet they employ people sacked by Sky for sexist comments and people who kick the fuck out of women, but I suppose that’s alright as he didn’t call her a Swede.
I’ve heard a lot on Talk Shite condemning DW and WAFC this last day or two, yet they employ people sacked by Sky for sexist comments and people who kick the fuck out of women, but I suppose that’s alright as he didn’t call her a Swede.EXACTLY!!!
People in glass houses and all that.
Let’s now finally move onto the football and let the ‘never put a foot wrong’ people at FA HQ do their job. We’ll cross the next bridge when we come to it.
WE ARE WIGAN AND WE DON`T CARE great appointment and all blown up out of proportion who doesn`t say are we having a chinky tonight and Jews , just like the rest of us try to earn a living all true !!! backs against the wall times guys just how we like it , i for one am right fired up GAME ON . :evil: :evil: :evil:
Anyone remember a few seasons back when we played liverpool at the DW & all the scousers, oops sorry liverpudlians, oops sorry, people from liverpool were all wearing those suarez t-shirts. He was banned for racist remarks. I believe he apologised, the matter was forgot about & everyone moved on. Why cant we as a club, dave whelan & more importantly malky mckay be allowed now to move on. They’ve all apologised so everyone should forget about it & as i say, move on.
Yeah but how many of us here weren’t having a pop at Liverpool when they stood by him eh? Funny what happens when the shoe’s on the other foot.[/quote]
I have a feeling that boro fans might have a pop at us tomorrow. But after a while everyone forgot about suarez. Same might happen with our situation[/quote]
Rape or murder someone eventually you will be forgiven…say one remark with racist undertones you will never be forgiven..not a chance no matter how many times you apologise. I can DW retiring and handing the riegns over, watch this space.
My political views are far left. Like it or lump it they are.I loathe racism, discrimination, anything that deems anyone else inferior or shouldn’t be given a chance.
But – I do not think Whelan is a racist. I do not see anything in his comments other than being naive in the current climate.
Yes – he should have at worst consulted Latics PR people, at best kept quiet.
What he said may be deemed by some to be offensive, but I really fail to see a huge issue.
He has not called people “chinks”, but said that many people (and I know he said all, but cut him some slack) have used the expression. And that is true. “Fancy a chinky for tea?” is well known. Acceptable? I don’t know. I haven’t asked anyone Chinese, but I suspect there are bigger insults.
“Jews like money” he said, but then added which is pushed to one side “as do we all”. Has he portrayed them all as Shylock, and suggested they should be deported to camps? No. He has (probably unwisely) said they like money – like the rest of us – not least Dave Whelan.
Yes – he should have stayed schtum (am I allowed to say that?). He’s not done us any favours. But it’s a storm in a teacup by the perennially offended.
I am hugely offended by chairmen never appointing minority group chief executives, minority group managers and minority group directors of football. I am offended by FA committees being full of white, men in suits – no place for ordinary football fans of whatever background, race, creed or such. Even white man-in-the street fans get no look in. That surely is discriminatory.
I am offended that David Gold can pontificate when he made his fortune in porn (no problem with that per se, but now to come across as holier than thou is laughable).
I am offended that an MP who has a history of creepy texting to a junior member of staff now is demanding that the FA take action.
I am offended that people who espouse loudly the freedom of speech, and condemn journalists hacking private messages, are now on a witchhunt over people saying what they think, gleaned from private messages between friends.
I do not condone Dave Whelan’s comments. He would have been better off keeping quiet. But it is not a hanging offence.
Today’s news is tomorrows chip wrappers, as my Granny used to say.
Mind you – I wouldn’t like to tell you what else she used to say. :ohmy:
That is surely, in my opinion bollox.
Your post was standing up well for a self confessed lefty, however to be hugely offended because of the situations you stated beggers belief. That is straight out of Kick It Outs doctrine of positive discrimination. I’ve heard it all before from your Sol Campbells (I never made it because I’m black) – no mate you never mate it because you where shite. It doesn’t follow that organisations have to employ minorities – just for the sake of diversity – these people are in business and as such need to be the best at what they do (in other cases they have a responsibility to shareholders as well). I think it’s totally irresponsible to act as you said there and it’s this way of thinking that also fans the flames of racism – ooh look at this/that company must be racist as they have no ethnics on the board – utter bollox.
Another thing that has been bothering me is why are the blacks of this nation, and those across the pond, so au fait with calling each other Nig*** yet if someone else says the word all hell breaks loose. Are there two meanings to the word, one of which I’m unaware of?
Anyone remember a few seasons back when we played liverpool at the DW & all the scousers, oops sorry liverpudlians, oops sorry, people from liverpool were all wearing those suarez t-shirts. He was banned for racist remarks. I believe he apologised, the matter was forgot about & everyone moved on. Why cant we as a club, dave whelan & more importantly malky mckay be allowed now to move on. They’ve all apologised so everyone should forget about it & as i say, move on.
Yeah but how many of us here weren’t having a pop at Liverpool when they stood by him eh? Funny what happens when the shoe’s on the other foot.[/quote]
I have a feeling that boro fans might have a pop at us tomorrow. But after a while everyone forgot about suarez. Same might happen with our situation[/quote]
Rape or murder someone eventually you will be forgiven…say one remark with racist undertones you will never be forgiven..not a chance no matter how many times you apologise. I can DW retiring and handing the riegns over, watch this space.[/quote]
Forgiven by who?
I think you need to engage you brain before spouting such nonsense.My political views are far left. Like it or lump it they are.I loathe racism, discrimination, anything that deems anyone else inferior or shouldn’t be given a chance.
But – I do not think Whelan is a racist. I do not see anything in his comments other than being naive in the current climate.
Yes – he should have at worst consulted Latics PR people, at best kept quiet.
What he said may be deemed by some to be offensive, but I really fail to see a huge issue.
He has not called people “chinks”, but said that many people (and I know he said all, but cut him some slack) have used the expression. And that is true. “Fancy a chinky for tea?” is well known. Acceptable? I don’t know. I haven’t asked anyone Chinese, but I suspect there are bigger insults.
“Jews like money” he said, but then added which is pushed to one side “as do we all”. Has he portrayed them all as Shylock, and suggested they should be deported to camps? No. He has (probably unwisely) said they like money – like the rest of us – not least Dave Whelan.
Yes – he should have stayed schtum (am I allowed to say that?). He’s not done us any favours. But it’s a storm in a teacup by the perennially offended.
I am hugely offended by chairmen never appointing minority group chief executives, minority group managers and minority group directors of football. I am offended by FA committees being full of white, men in suits – no place for ordinary football fans of whatever background, race, creed or such. Even white man-in-the street fans get no look in. That surely is discriminatory.
I am offended that David Gold can pontificate when he made his fortune in porn (no problem with that per se, but now to come across as holier than thou is laughable).
I am offended that an MP who has a history of creepy texting to a junior member of staff now is demanding that the FA take action.
I am offended that people who espouse loudly the freedom of speech, and condemn journalists hacking private messages, are now on a witchhunt over people saying what they think, gleaned from private messages between friends.
I do not condone Dave Whelan’s comments. He would have been better off keeping quiet. But it is not a hanging offence.
Today’s news is tomorrows chip wrappers, as my Granny used to say.
Mind you – I wouldn’t like to tell you what else she used to say. :ohmy:
That might be all said and done but you aint allowed to use newspapers anymore to wrap chips up in! The World has gone mad I tell ya! :silly:
Where did I say anything about positive discrimination? Where did I say that any particular club has to make quotas?
I am remarking on the general fact that in football, when you add up all the directors, chief executives, managers, directors of football etc etc etc, the vast majority are white British. I am actually attacking organisations like Kick It Out if you weren’t so knee-jerk prejudiced to realise it. My point is that there is true discrimination out there that they ought to be concentrating on, not attacking people that they may have used an outdated expression.
The answer is not positive discrimination, shoe horning people into jobs they are not suited for, but to ask why aren’t certain groups of people suitable for those jobs. And do something about developing ALL people to be able to fit into those roles, not just the select cliques.
And if you had even bothered to read the end of the paragraph you have so helpfully highlighted, you will see that I am also complaining that white working-class ordinary supporters have no voice on FA committees.
So get off your high horse.
Another thing that has been bothering me is why are the blacks of this nation, and those across the pond, so au fait with calling each other Nig*** yet if someone else says the word all hell breaks loose. Are there two meanings to the word, one of which I’m unaware of?It’s about black people taking control back over a word that has represented decades of racist abuse and oppression. By them owning that word they are dampening the effect of non-blacks using it against them. Much like the way Asians (Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis) refer to themselves as Pakis.
Where did I say anything about positive discrimination? Where did I say that any particular club has to make quotas?I am remarking on the general fact that in football, when you add up all the directors, chief executives, managers, directors of football etc etc etc, the vast majority are white British. I am actually attacking organisations like Kick It Out if you weren’t so knee-jerk prejudiced to realise it. My point is that there is true discrimination out there that they ought to be concentrating on, not attacking people that they may have used an outdated expression.
The answer is not positive discrimination, shoe horning people into jobs they are not suited for, but to ask why aren’t certain groups of people suitable for those jobs. And do something about developing ALL people to be able to fit into those roles, not just the select cliques.
And if you had even bothered to read the end of the paragraph you have so helpfully highlighted, you will see that I am also complaining that white working-class ordinary supporters have no voice on FA committees.
So get off your high horse.
Utter borrox Garswood and you back track faster than a (insert usual, generationally used stereotypical nonsense phrase here).
Look, you said, and I’ll quote it again:
“I am hugely offended by chairmen never appointing minority group chief executives, minority group managers and minority group directors of football. I am offended by FA committees being full of white, men in suits – no place for ordinary football fans of whatever background, race, creed or such. Even white man-in-the street fans get no look in.”
never appointing minority group chief executives – the applicants all may be shite
or minority group managers – the applicants may all be shite
FA committee being full of white men in suits – other applicants may have been shiteIn other words in order to fulfil your left wing agenda you are asking them to positively discriminate in the minorities favour – that my friend is exactly what you wrote (and meant) and it is plain to see that you were not attacking the Kick It Out organisation, you have said this to explain yourself out of it.
Knee-Jerk predjudice? – calm down sir, you are a man of education, however it does catch in the throat when someone questions a left wing bias and doesn’t fall into line with much weeping and wailing – doesn’t it?
If there are any high horses around here they are all grazing in your back garden.
Which bit of “The answer is not positive discrimination, shoe horning people into jobs they are not suited for, but to ask why aren’t certain groups of people suitable for those jobs. And do something about developing ALL people to be able to fit into those roles, not just the select cliques” are you struggling with?
Which bit of “The answer is not positive discrimination, shoe horning people into jobs they are not suited for, but to ask why aren’t certain groups of people suitable for those jobs. And do something about developing ALL people to be able to fit into those roles, not just the select cliques” are you struggling with?Which bit of:
Utter borrox Garswood and you back track faster than a (insert usual, generationally used stereotypical nonsense phrase here).
are you struggling with?
You said all that after the event – what you wrote, at the time, was how I described and how it was interpreted but you still attempted sanctimony by asking me if I was bothered to read. I had you down as being better than that Garswood.
My final word on the subject – we obviously disagree.
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