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He wanted it to be the big rugby ground that held semi finals and internationals.
Then the pitch crap started and crowds massively dropped in the rugby.
Other than the handful on here who are amongst the very loyal of Tics how many of the 7000 or so season card holders would commit themselves to the club if season cards were £500?
Just a scenario that could happen with foreign owners and not my idea. They could say they only need to sell 4000 cards to be turning over more cash.
This could also save on stewards etc and overheads as only The West stand would need to be used.
They would use the argument that they were testing commitment to the club and giving first choice for cup tickets to only the commited fans who would fork out their hard earned up front.
Being one who advocates twenty is plenty for any game I couldn’t support this action whatsoever.Donny lad, we have always been more than reasonable in ticket prices and in the Prem and when Mr Whelan was bankrolling us we could get away with it. Now we are self sufficient and no more greed money coming in we have to operate properly financially so we don’t return to the dark days of the 90s pre Uncle Dave. Arsenal are the real shithouses in price hiking. Move to a stadium almost twice the size of your old one and double the price of a season ticket. That’s where the PL and FA should have stepped in. They make more money on ticket sales than every other club yet don’t compete with the others in the transfer market. We are doing what is needed and what I’ve witnessed over the years has been worth every single penny.
I am not into this ‘the Stadium is too big’ shite.
We have had well over a hundred attendances over 15,000 already and plenty more over 20,000 since we moved to the JJB/DW.
We have every chance of getting that many in, or more in the future.
Having a smaller capacity is small time thinking.
We are not ‘Little Wigan’ anymore, we are Wigan Athletic, who, only a few years ago lifted the FA Cup and were a Premier League Football Club.
We have to keep that in mind and keep hold of the ambition to keep growing as a club and get back to the PL.
Having a stadium with the capacity we have will help us to fullfill that ambition and get more fans in on the journey.
A 10/12K stadium like Bournemouths will not help them to grow as a club as once the PL fans drop off there crowds could easily be back down to 3/4K ala Blackpool who also have a low capacity stadium.
We have so far managed to keep hold of an extra 6000 fans since DW bought us, if we get back to the PL and average the heady heights of 20,000 or more again on a regular basis, it is possible that another 6000 fans will get the bug like they have over the last 20 years, and continue to watch us if and when we go down again.Actually, the “too big a stadium” theory makes sense & is about a lot more than showing ambition or not.
Look at it logically – In our first season up in the top flight you had a bit of premier league fever. New fans & long term part time fans wanted to be sure of getting to see the big boys & splurged out on season tickets. Longer term fans felt the same about away games & loads bought the away membership.
However, when it became clear that you didn’t need to do that &, if you wanted to pick & choose your games, that you could & you’d just be able to buy a ticket for individual games, the ST take up dropped & the away membership scheme was dropped by the club. (I do acknowledge that the price hike put some off too at the JJB)Now if the JJB had been built with the same capacity as say St Helens RL’s new ground then demand would have outstripped supply at home, people wouldn’t have been realised that they wouldn’t be able to pick & choose games, ST sales would have remained static and its likely that every game would have been a sell out (or bl00dy close to it) in the home sections – so no 12k attendances on v Fulham.
Its also likely that they could have gotten away with price hikes
Once that loyalty had built up the club could have looked at extending parts of the stadium.That said, I don’t know the maths & the club could well argue that having the bigger stadium & therefore bigger attendances than 18k at some games since 1999 has mean that the club has made more money than it would have done with a smaller gaff
Personally I think our stadium is great, great views, decent amount of toilets, pretty accessible by car or transport, good catering(theres a debate) plenty parking, great lounges. I wouldn’t change it and think we are lucky to have what we have.
Compared to what we had at springfield (where I have loads of great memories) it is a different class, access was rubbish, bovril and a wagon wheel was about all you could get (because the pie got thrown at the linesman), steep slope if you wanted to get off the ground towards lower ground, toilets that where just a channel in the ground etc.
If we then compare it to local competition, it is better than Bolton’s for access and viewing (their bottom tier is really shallow ) although externally theirs looks good, but their parking is a mare.
Preston? same capacity as ours so presumably the same empty seat issue, rubbish access.
Blackpool? bigger than they need, Blackburn? bigger than they need, Burnley, full when they are in the prem but a bit delapedated these days and same sort of size.
Don’t think we can then be compared with the liverpool and manchester teams.
That leaves other ‘new stadiums’ and beyond chester which has about 6k and is rubbish I can’t really think of other local football ones.
Then you look at other local clubs, would you rather have oldhams, rochdales or tranmere’s grounds?Not for me thanks, we may have a few too many seats but I think we should be delighted with what we have.
Others clearly disagree!
Personally I think our stadium is great, great views, decent amount of toilets, pretty accessible by car or transport, good catering(theres a debate) plenty parking, great lounges. I wouldn’t change it and think we are lucky to have what we have.
Compared to what we had at springfield (where I have loads of great memories) it is a different class, access was rubbish, bovril and a wagon wheel was about all you could get (because the pie got thrown at the linesman), steep slope if you wanted to get off the ground towards lower ground, toilets that where just a channel in the ground etc.
If we then compare it to local competition, it is better than Bolton’s for access and viewing (their bottom tier is really shallow ) although externally theirs looks good, but their parking is a mare.
Preston? same capacity as ours so presumably the same empty seat issue, rubbish access.
Blackpool? bigger than they need, Blackburn? bigger than they need, Burnley, full when they are in the prem but a bit delapedated these days and same sort of size.
Don’t think we can then be compared with the liverpool and manchester teams.
That leaves other ‘new stadiums’ and beyond chester which has about 6k and is rubbish I can’t really think of other local football ones.
Then you look at other local clubs, would you rather have oldhams, rochdales or tranmere’s grounds?Not for me thanks, we may have a few too many seats but I think we should be delighted with what we have.
Others clearly disagree!
You’re right in everything you say about our stadium.
Doesn’t alter the fact that its too bigOther than the handful on here who are amongst the very loyal of Tics how many of the 7000 or so season card holders would commit themselves to the club if season cards were £500?
Just a scenario that could happen with foreign owners and not my idea. They could say they only need to sell 4000 cards to be turning over more cash.
This could also save on stewards etc and overheads as only The West stand would need to be used.
They would use the argument that they were testing commitment to the club and giving first choice for cup tickets to only the commited fans who would fork out their hard earned up front.
Being one who advocates twenty is plenty for any game I couldn’t support this action whatsoever.I would still pay it. It would cost about £4 a week more over a year, it would hardly break the bank.
You say you are someone who advocates ’20 is plenty’, well at £20 a match you would pay £460 now for 23 matches, so an extra £40 over the year is hardly going to trouble a tight fisted git like you either, is it?Exactly what I said Claude you and the
other loyal lads on here would pay £500 but how many others would? That’s commendable. Probably need to sell even less than 4000 at that price to turn over more money than now. Just a scenario and what could happen and nothing to do with what I can afford or not or what I would chose to spend my limited spare cash on.Exactly what I said Claude you and the
other loyal lads on here would pay £500 but how many others would? That’s commendable. Probably need to sell even less than 4000 at that price to turn over more money than now. Just a scenario and what could happen and nothing to do with what I can afford or not or what I would chose to spend my limited spare cash on.It could happen, but I doubt any owner present or in the future would risk doubling season ticket prices. A happy medium needs to be found though between the season ticket cost and the pay on the day prices.
We’ve gone over this time and time again and no-one has come up with an answer, we’ll have to leave it to the powers that be to decide the way forward.
I didn’t go today and haven’t been to rotherhams new stadium. It is 12k capacity so is round what some people call for. What’s the verdict from those that went, would you rather have that or the dw?
They have the steepest stands I’ve ever seen. Been before but didn’t remember them. The ground was a little less than a third empty today, but it actually looked more sparsely than that. Nice size for league one club and bottom half championship.
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What a journey!When you see grounds like that with steep stands that have no width to them it just shows how pathetic Wigan Council were standing in the way of developing Springfield Park. With the land there was at Springfield there could have been a bigger Stadium than The New York with increased car parking and entrances and exits on four sides.
When you see grounds like that with steep stands that have no width to them it just shows how pathetic Wigan Council were standing in the way of developing Springfield Park. With the land there was at Springfield there could have been a bigger Stadium than The New York with increased car parking and entrances and exits on four sides.Nah, we had to move. There was a severe lack of access at Springfield. No way could we have had Premier League crowds there. Access and parking problems galore.
When you see grounds like that with steep stands that have no width to them it just shows how pathetic Wigan Council were standing in the way of developing Springfield Park. With the land there was at Springfield there could have been a bigger Stadium than The New York with increased car parking and entrances and exits on four sides.
Nah, we had to move. There was a severe lack of access at Springfield. No way could we have had Premier League crowds there. Access and parking problems galore.[/quote]
But no less access etc than at Anfield, Goodison, Ewood, Deepdale, Turf Moor, Gigg Lane, Spotland, Boundary Park, Gresty Road,Bloomfield,Prenton,Oakwell, St James Park and more. But agree where we are is much better than what we could have ever wished for.
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