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It is a far worst defence then the one quazie bruce had. B)
Far cheaper one, too. Titus Bramble on £40k per week?? Do me a favour!
I don’t really understand why Everton would want him to be honest.
Whelan has talked him up for 4 years but 38 wins from 151 games is an awful stat.
We’ve endured 4 years of struggle,frustration and some awful defending home and away.We’ve scored too few and conceded too many every season and this time because of the injuries and the poor quality in reserve we’ve been undone good style.Retaining the ball in midfield with nice passing is all well and good but the end product ie sticking the ball in the net has been sadly lacking.
The FA Cup has been fantastic and I’ll always be greatful to him for that but I have very mixed feelings about him staying.My main concern is that if he goes most of the players will want out as well but if he stays will we have to endure more of the same in The Championship.
Everybody jokes about Steve Bruce yet under him we finished 14th and 11th.
No I don’t want to watch Stoke like football every week,but I would like to watch something played a little quicker.Yes retain the ball but sometime switch to be more direct.
Whether he stays or goes though there is a major rebuilding of the defense to be done for next season otherwise we won’t be going anywhere but further down !! ;)
Lukaku – 20 yrs of age, on loan, 32 League appearances, 14 goals
7 assists,Henriquez 19 yrs of age, on loan 4 league appearances, 1 goal 0 assists.
And even when Kone was away in Jan he still wasn’t used. So who do you blame for that ?
The way we used our 2 loan players throughout the season will no doubt make it even harder next season to get loan players in at a time we will need them the most. The bigger clubs will think twice before sending out any of their young talent to Wigan.
The Idea is , loan them out to get experience and on the pitch playing time not bench warm.Loan players need to be, on par or if not better than the players we already have.This is the only way we will improve our squad or we might as well not bother and just bring through our own talent as we did with MacManaman and the likes of Redmond.
well said mighty affAll the singing his name he has taken this club a massive backwards step as i keep saying the FA Cup painted over the cracks as a unbelivable day experience that it was
I take it you mean bing relegated is that ‘massive step backwards’?
The club made a profit last season. We now have young players coming through the ranks and doing well in the first team. The club is now renowned for playing good football and regarded as a great place for young players to develop their skills. We have won the FA Cup.
But yes, if you want to regard the inevitable relegation as a ‘massive step backwards’ then you do that.
But yes, if you want to regard the inevitable relegation as a ‘massive step backwards’ then you do that.I do get what you’re saying in a way coz Bobby wasn’t just a first team manager but was the first in the Whelan era to take a whole club approach & (along with Whelan) try to make sure that the foundations were in place for the club to be able to compete without Whelan’s money. There is no doubt that he’s been successful there.
Nor is there any doubt that winning a major cup is a success too especially when you bear in mind that Latics defeated 2 of the top 6 teams in the country along the way.However I’m sorry but there is no way that you can look at relegation as anything other than a massive step backwards not just in terms of the quality of league Latics will be playing in but in their ability to retain & attract players. Not to mention the huge £40mill black hole that it leaves in latics accounts. The club made a profit last financial year (before tax) which is to be applauded but that included the premier league Sky TV money – take that away & it turns into a substantial loss. Yes some of the big earners will be going as their contracts have expired but what will Latics be able to offer any new recruits in terms of salary.
Bobby himself said the other season that it was absolutely vital to the long term future of Wigan Athletic for the club to remain in the top flight – well that’s gone & getting £2.5mill from the Europa League group stages & £1.8mill for winning the FA Cup is buttons compared to the £60mill for playing in the top flight next season.I know that thanks to the efforts of Whelan & Bobby that the club will still be here as will most of us but relegation is a massive backwards step & to say it isn’t is akin to burying your head in the sand
It is a far worst defence then the one quazie bruce had. B)
Far cheaper one, too. Titus Bramble on £40k per week?? Do me a favour![/quote]
Bit harsh on Titus that. Yes it’s an obscene amount of money but under Steve Bruce, Titus Bramble was an absolute rock for us & was a vital cog in making Latics back line the 7th best defence in the division during Bruce’s full season in charge
Like you say, you get what you pay for. Titus was paid a lot of money & under Steve Bruce he showed why that wasWhat Whelan needs to do regardless who’s manager come the 3rd of August is to stand firm on the sale of players and only sell when daft money appears on the table.
We have a couple of players I’m sure that other managers and possibly Martinez would love to take with him if he does decide to leave i.e. McCarthy, MacManaman, Maloney and its up to Whelan to fend them off.It takes a a particular type of player to get out of the championship, different from the type of player you need to stay in the Prem , horses for courses.
Steve “mynosekeepschangingshape” Bruce has just cleared 12 out to make room. We could be potentially looking at 12-15 players coming in !, Ijust hope it’s none of them ffs.
this is going to be a tough tough season for whoever takes the job on.
But yes, if you want to regard the inevitable relegation as a ‘massive step backwards’ then you do that.
I do get what you’re saying in a way coz Bobby wasn’t just a first team manager but was the first in the Whelan era to take a whole club approach & (along with Whelan) try to make sure that the foundations were in place for the club to be able to compete without Whelan’s money. There is no doubt that he’s been successful there.
Nor is there any doubt that winning a major cup is a success too especially when you bear in mind that Latics defeated 2 of the top 6 teams in the country along the way.However I’m sorry but there is no way that you can look at relegation as anything other than a massive step backwards not just in terms of the quality of league Latics will be playing in but in their ability to retain & attract players. Not to mention the huge £40mill black hole that it leaves in latics accounts. The club made a profit last financial year (before tax) which is to be applauded but that included the premier league Sky TV money – take that away & it turns into a substantial loss. Yes some of the big earners will be going as their contracts have expired but what will Latics be able to offer any new recruits in terms of salary.
Bobby himself said the other season that it was absolutely vital to the long term future of Wigan Athletic for the club to remain in the top flight – well that’s gone & getting £2.5mill from the Europa League group stages & £1.8mill for winning the FA Cup is buttons compared to the £60mill for playing in the top flight next season.I know that thanks to the efforts of Whelan & Bobby that the club will still be here as will most of us but relegation is a massive backwards step & to say it isn’t is akin to burying your head in the sand[/quote]
Relegation was always inevitable, and dare I say it, expected.It very nearly happened to Jewell, and could easily have happened to Bruce, and had we gone down at the time when those two managers were in charge, we’d have been in much worse state than we are today.
So on the face of it, yes of course being relegated is disappointing, but Martinez ‘has taken this club a massive step backwards’?
Don’t agree.
We’ve been relegated – as has been expected and flirted with for most of our time in the Premier League, but the way the club goes about things, and our perception has vastly improved during his time as manager.
What’s done is done now and the next few weeks are hugely important to us as a club.Whether Robbies stays or go’s will have a big impact on which players stay and which follow the pound.Relegation has been 4 seasons in the making and anyone who doesn’t think it is a backward step is in complete denial.The championship isn’t the end of our world but unfortunately the huge loss in revenue will mean a restructuring of our ability to compete financially for the better players.To nail our relegation on injuries and bad luck is head in the sand stuff.Our amazing survival last season didn’t seem to be the wake up call Robbie needed and 12 months later we found ourselves in the same mess.Our easy on the eye football didn’t bring wins and the lack of cover for Kone’s absence a loan player who has piles now and the inability to make all this possession count have haunted us for his tenure.Our win ratio is that of a bottom 3 side as is our goals for and against.Januarys home game against Sunderland was the prime example ,dominated for 90 mins against a poor side and still nil points.
What Whelan needs to do regardless who’s manager come the 3rd of August is to stand firm on the sale of players and only sell when daft money appears on the table.
We have a couple of players I’m sure that other managers and possibly Martinez would love to take with him if he does decide to leave i.e. McCarthy, MacManaman, Maloney and its up to Whelan to fend them off.It takes a a particular type of player to get out of the championship, different from the type of player you need to stay in the Prem , horses for courses.
Steve “mynosekeepschangingshape” Bruce has just cleared 12 out to make room. We could be potentially looking at 12-15 players coming in !, Ijust hope it’s none of them ffs.
this is going to be a tough tough season for whoever takes the job on.
Martinez has already stated mcmanaman is better off staying at wigan,even in the championship.We get 23 mil parachute payments,2.4 mil for league position,1.8 for winning fa cup,potential transfer money of mccarthy 10 mil,kone 6.5 mil(buyout clause) =43.7 mil to play with.Surely we can get some decent players in,with the incentive to play in Europe etc.
Oh on the Everton thing, Whelan said that there would be a meeting with Martinez straight after the Villa game and a decision to stay or leave would be made there and then.
So right now Whelan will know if he’s stopping or going and considering he can’t hold his own pish then if he has decided to stay wouldn’t it be a good time to announce he’s stopping before tonight’s parade ???H’es gone, Whelan knows that but both don’t want to put any kind of dampener on today’s events.
Me personally I think he’s won us the cup which I and many others will thank till the day I die but as for turn your back while your down ?? that I don’t think is right.
If you feckin break something at least have the decency to try and fix it not dump it on the scrapper, walk away then more than likely come back and clean it out.
Hypothetical question, What would your thought’s be of him without the FA cup win ?
Take the Malaga job and save face I say.Wigan, inevitably, found it hard to compete in the Premier League. They simply couldn’t compete in the FA Cup too. The sentiment on this site was overwhelmingly that a Cup win was worth the cost of relegation.
So most people have got what they asked for. It’s too late to complain about relegation. Many were seduced by the prospect of seeing Wigan play in Europe too. And how persuasive will that now be to new players?
If retaining Premier League status was his priority, then Martinez’ big mistake was in not losing to Bournemouth. You might call it Boselli’s revenge.
To be fair to him, Martinez did put out a weakened team in every subsequent round with the exception of the Final. And no-one could have predicted the stunning win at Everton.
As a byproduct, the FA Cup run did give McManaman and Gomez the chance to establish themselves in the first team.
The sentiment on this site was overwhelmingly that a Cup win was worth the cost of relegation.
What do you mean “was..that a Cup win was worth the cost of relegation”?
I for one am quite happy where we are. Cup winners – which will never be taken from us. And now able to enjoy real football again.
What do you mean “was..that a Cup win was worth the cost of relegation”?I for one am quite happy where we are. Cup winners – which will never be taken from us. And now able to enjoy real football again.
I mean that in the run-in to the end of the season, the general opinion was that a Cup win was worth the cost of relegation. You’re happy with the outcome – that’s fine.
The Cup Final was a great day out, wasn’t it? We may never repeat it. I’m coming round to your view!
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