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    The EggThe Egg
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    I for one have such a lot of gratitude for Dave Whelan and the journey we have been on but at the moment the journey seems to be going back to the lower leagues.
    There are the cynical amongst us who will think Dave has had other reasons than football too, like raising his own personal and business profile and having this profile shown to the world along the way. Who can blame him, the two have gone together. It could have cost a fortune to raise the business profile so much with stadium and shirt sponsorship alone. A huge chunk of money invested. Remember for all the money that he has put in Latics, Dave still owns millions in assets with the stadium and land etc and still the company name is flashed on TV every week.
    I just think it is a shame after taking us up there to be on the slide which could have been prevented with a fraction of investment again rather than perennial fire sales. Someone somewhere should be accountable for this ridiculous and downward spiraling of Latics and let us hope Mr Whelan can find them, stop them and do something about this slide. I hope he is patient because it is looking like he will have to start this process from league 1 and without a parachute payment which will need the right personnel and investment from the off. It will also require the ruthless side of his business life with a full clear out of most players, the chairman and board, the manager, all the coaching staff, all the hanger ons. Let the upward journey begin again Dave.

    Why at 70 years of age having put the cue on the rack of most of his business dealings would Dave risk the future of not only the club but his family by sticking some more of his personal fortune into it? Do you not see our books every year? Do you not remember the 30m quid he has already lost with the loan he gave the club and then wrote off? It isn’t going to happen.

    The club can be ran on the cheap but 90% of decisions on signings, managerial appointments and sales need to be spot on. That’s why we loan so many players because we can’t afford to buy them unless we are sure they are what we need.

    Burnley have shown this is possible twice under Dyche, Huddersfield are currently in a good spot with a loanee as their player of the season and similar clubs to us are doing far better.

    We have made some poor calls this season it’s that simple. Poor recruitment in summer, the decision to sack Caldwell, the appointment of Joyce. All coming back to bite us on the ass.

    #156328
    MR BrownbillMR Brownbill
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    Atletico’so post makes interesting reading and whilst I agree with some points I can not defend Joyce’s record since he arrived nor the mind numbing dross served up.His recruitment has been shocking.We have struggled for goals all season yet we have the most unbalanced squad I’ve seen here.Yes he signed 2 strikers but 1 is way out of his depth at the moment and Bogle as hard as he tries is admirably ploughing a lone furrow. Too many similar midfielders and most under his orders not to venture within 35yds of the nets.Players not match fit,the point of that beats me .Mowbray,Warnock have their faults but that massive experience is why both clubs recruited them……not necessarily for the long haul but to get them out of the crap however ugly they need to play.For both clubs the stark financial future should they drop was enough for them to appoint them.We have dropped a humongous bollock.In our position taking a huge gamble on Joyce has backfired and the blame has to lie at the feet of Sharpe and Jackson. Time for them to clench buttocks,pay him off and get a new manager in charge in preparation for league 1…..hell. he could even save us yet!!!

    #156329
    donnys pageDonnys Page
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    The decision to sack Caldwell??? His dire dealings and boring negative football created this mess.
    Appointing Joyce was a mistake.

    #156330
    NuneatonlaticNuneatonlatic
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    I’m sick of having to defend Mr Whelan on here. We were days away from going out of business had he not bought us out. We were at the bottom of the abyss yet he took us on the the most amazing journey. The Wigan Athletic story is the greatest football story ever told because of Dave Whelan, try to remember that before you slag him off next time eh?.

    #156335
    runcornfan1978runcornfan1978
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    I’m sick of having to defend Mr Whelan on here. We were days away from going out of business had he not bought us out. We were at the bottom of the abyss yet he took us on the the most amazing journey. The Wigan Athletic story is the greatest football story ever told because of Dave Whelan, try to remember that before you slag him off next time eh?.

    & sadly nuneaton, there lies the problem. I suspect a lot of our supporters still regard us a premier league club. Our journey had to end at some point, in much the same way the journey as ended at clubs like oldham, portsmouth, maybe bradford. Clubs like ourselves who once graced the premier league, but now find themselves at the lower end of the football ladder. As long as i have a football club to support until the day i die, irrespective what league it is in, i will be happy.

    As for the title thread. Joyce has to go IMO. His tactics clearly are not working. Unless he wakes up & decides to go for it.

    #156339
    bronxbomberRON HUNT
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    I’m sick of having to defend Mr Whelan on here. We were days away from going out of business had he not bought us out. We were at the bottom of the abyss yet he took us on the the most amazing journey. The Wigan Athletic story is the greatest football story ever told because of Dave Whelan, try to remember that before you slag him off next time eh?.

    There would have been no club to save only for the fans, who attended the meetings in the Queens Hall in the 1980’s, and who paid money monthly to the club to keep it afloat. The ordinary fans saved the club long before Whelan came on the scene.

    #156340
    NuneatonlaticNuneatonlatic
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    I’m sick of having to defend Mr Whelan on here. We were days away from going out of business had he not bought us out. We were at the bottom of the abyss yet he took us on the the most amazing journey. The Wigan Athletic story is the greatest football story ever told because of Dave Whelan, try to remember that before you slag him off next time eh?.

    There would have been no club to save only for the fans, who attended the meetings in the Queens Hall in the 1980’s, and who paid money monthly to the club to keep it afloat. The ordinary fans saved the club long before Whelan came on the scene.[/quote]

    Lets get rid of the statue then coz obviously Mr Whelan has done fcuk all but line his own pockets. Some on here are unbelievable. This club would have never been anywhere near the Prem or the FA cup without the guy ffs.

    #156341
    SammySammy
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    The decision to sack Caldwell??? His dire dealings and boring negative football created this mess.
    Appointing Joyce was a mistake.

    I suspect there’s more to the sacking of Caldwell than just football issues. Most people on here were surprised at his departure and thought It premature. The stories of him shipping out players with whom he disagreed suggests an arrogance and stubborness that he may have pushed too far.

    #156342
    truelatic4evatruelatic4eva
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    Whelan ‘Stopped putting his personal fortune in’ around 2008…..

    He put PL money and Sky tv money in…..

    Whelan has taken out far more than he ever put in.

    PL money + tv money + player sales between 2006 and 2013 was over £500 MILLION QUID.

    Whelan has screwed us over.

    #156343
    cup winnerscup winners
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    I’m sick of having to defend Mr Whelan on here. We were days away from going out of business had he not bought us out. We were at the bottom of the abyss yet he took us on the the most amazing journey. The Wigan Athletic story is the greatest football story ever told because of Dave Whelan, try to remember that before you slag him off next time eh?.

    There would have been no club to save only for the fans, who attended the meetings in the Queens Hall in the 1980’s, and who paid money monthly to the club to keep it afloat. The ordinary fans saved the club long before Whelan came on the scene.[/quote]

    Lets get rid of the statue then coz obviously Mr Whelan has done fcuk all but line his own pockets. Some on here are unbelievable. This club would have never been anywhere near the Prem or the FA cup without the guy ffs.[/quote]

    The club would have been extinct without Whelan. Some people on here drive me insane. They’d prefer to be still been at “Good owd Sprinfield Park” watching sh”t football drinking sh”t Bovril under a tin sh”t hit hut on swimming pool sh”t pitch.
    This thread is on par with War and Peace it’s that long

    #156352
    donnys pageDonnys Page
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    The decision to sack Caldwell??? His dire dealings and boring negative football created this mess.
    Appointing Joyce was a mistake.

    I suspect there’s more to the sacking of Caldwell than just football issues. Most people on here were surprised at his departure and thought It premature. The stories of him shipping out players with whom he disagreed suggests an arrogance and stubborness that he may have pushed too far.[/quote]

    Totally agree Sam, something more occured last summer than us fans are privvy to.

    #156362
    runcornfan1978runcornfan1978
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    They’d prefer to be still been at “Good owd Sprinfield Park” watching sh”t football drinking sh”t Bovril under a tin sh”t hit hut on swimming pool sh”t pitch.
    This thread is on par with War and Peace it’s that long[/quote]

    The only difference nowadays is that we are all at the DW watching sh*t football, paying for overpriced bovril on a pitch that gets torn apart by the eggs.

    #156363
    The EggThe Egg
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    They’d prefer to be still been at “Good owd Sprinfield Park” watching sh”t football drinking sh”t Bovril under a tin sh”t hit hut on swimming pool sh”t pitch.
    This thread is on par with War and Peace it’s that long

    The only difference nowadays is that we are all at the DW watching sh*t football, paying for overpriced bovril on a pitch that gets torn apart by the eggs.[/quote]

    Even when they don’t play on it.

    #156372
    garswood_laticGarswood_latic
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    I’m with Egg on this. Although I dislike the rugby (I wouldn’t go so far as to say hate), we cannot blame our s*** performances in any way on them or the pitch.

    FFS we were away yesterday!!

    #156373
    jimmycjimmyc
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    Whelan ‘Stopped putting his personal fortune in’ around 2008…..

    He put PL money and Sky tv money in…..

    Whelan has taken out far more than he ever put in.

    PL money + tv money + player sales between 2006 and 2013 was over £500 MILLION QUID.

    Whelan has screwed us over.

    Look back at previous financial statements and you’ll see players wages were astronomical which is why Whelan decided to rein it in. He will have taken a wage from the club no doubt, but he certainly hasn’t screwed us over.
    I’m as miffed as any other WAFC fan about our current situation but blaming Whelan is way of the mark.

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