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So in summary Loudmouth you believe that Wigan Athletic’s rightful place is mid table nestled in just behind the likes of Villa, Spurs, Everton and City

I believe that given that we have one of the smallest transfer budgets in the division, the smallest crowds in the division, therefore the smallest gate reciepts, one of the poorest chairman, Kilby at Burnley is worth £4million, the rest are much welthier than Whelan, except perhaps at Pompey. Our current manager has inherited a squad which did finish in mid table a year ago but half of that team was sold off in January and the summer and a fraction of it put back in because Whelan is paying off debts because the club can’t sustain the outgoings. Well we aren’t doing too bad after five seasons

You clearly hate Roberto but don’t seem to offer any solutions as to who should be the manager, Mourinho, Van Gaal or Rijkaard perhaps?? and what miracles they should be expected to work under such tight financial restrictions. Maybe you’d like Steve Bruce back, I’m sure he could do a good job, maybe if we trebled his transfer budget and wage bill, gave him a £30m strike force and another 20,000 fans, he might have been…oh that’s right a whole two points further on than Roberto.

Seeing as you hate the manager so much to call him a tosser, and instead of repeating the same old diatribe over and over again on here while some of us are trying to support the club whilst recognising the situation we are in. I suggest you put your money where your mouth is and get down to Christopher Park along with Vat69 with your Martinez Out banner. Get yourself on Sky Sports. Sorry that you’ve given up, a football club is about ups and downs. It seems some on here have such delusions of grandeur that they seem to think Wigan Athletic is now too precious to suffer any downs any more and would rather spit their dummies than try and support the club to help them turn it around.

I respect your opinion and know I’m not going to change it, nor Tyldesley or any others of the dark side but your criticisms of Roberto seem to centre around the fact he has lost points, how many points did Steve Bruce lose from January last season? How many points did Jewell lose when we nearly got relegated. You are criticising him for going to Everton, Stoke and Sunderland and not winning?? That would be Everton with 120 years history now challenging for Europe, Stoke who can afford to spend £12m on Huth and Tuncay and Sunderland who are owned by a billionaire not a market stall owner done well? Get real, he’s not perfect and he’s making mistakes but he is probably the only manager we could afford. I don’t know whether he’ll turn it around but like it or not we are where we are, scrapping near the bottom with the clubs like Bolton, Blackburn, Hull, Burnley etc – all of whom are miles bigger than us in terms of infrastructure, history and fanbase and if the smallest club in the premier do manage to stay up it will be a real achievement, again.