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    In fear of starting a ‘debate’, do people genuinely believe that this country could have kept a mining industry, paid the miners what the unions were demanding, keep prices competitive with China and other emerging nations AND turned a profit from it?

    Just asking because a lot of people seem to be blaming her for the demise of the industry.

    1. Was it not a deteriorating sector that had it’s end coming long before Thatcher got to power?

    2. Is it not a good thing that we don’t send our kids down the mines anymore?

    I’m far from a Thatcherite, I disagree with the way in which she went about getting quite a lot of things, not to mention the poll tax. I just refuse to buy into this hate campaign created by the extreme left wing.

    Take a look at your life and your house at this moment in time. Would you be able to afford your current lifestyle if things hadn’t have changed?

    Bring on the controversy! :P

    40 minutes and still no responses coming your way. Either, the responses are so long and hate filled that they’re taking a long time to write, or … they’re all just gathering down the end of your road.[/quote]

    It would of been faster if not on my phone :)

    Sorry to brush over your points lemur, as most know on here the ranter gets the best of me.

    #108290

    In fear of starting a ‘debate’, do people genuinely believe that this country could have kept a mining industry, paid the miners what the unions were demanding, keep prices competitive with China and other emerging nations AND turned a profit from it?

    Just asking because a lot of people seem to be blaming her for the demise of the industry.

    1. Was it not a deteriorating sector that had it’s end coming long before Thatcher got to power?

    2. Is it not a good thing that we don’t send our kids down the mines anymore?

    I’m far from a Thatcherite, I disagree with the way in which she went about getting quite a lot of things, not to mention the poll tax. I just refuse to buy into this hate campaign created by the extreme left wing.

    Take a look at your life and your house at this moment in time. Would you be able to afford your current lifestyle if things hadn’t have changed?

    Bring on the controversy! :P

    That’s all good and well but at what price?

    She gambled the lives of families all over the country for the sake of the economy.

    The economy didn’t pay for my overpriced house or the ridiculous amount of deposit I needed to buy a 2 bedroom terraced house that was built 100 years ago originally for *drum roll please* THE MINERS!!!!!

    What built my house 100 years ago was the working class and what pays for it now is my working class upbringing not a massive upturn in the economy sending my rich daddies savings through the roof!

    Best comments of the day I have seen are ” you wouldn’t have these lazy people milking benefits if thatcher wad around today ”

    Bollox she sent families all over the country into generations of unemployment but it wasn’t an upturn in the economy that put food on the tables was it.

    People need to take the daily mail out of their arse and realise the benefit system is there to protect you through the rough times and by the time Cameron has done the people throwing their toys out the pram today coz they work full time will be the people with no state pension, no NHS and no sick pay when they are 60 riddled with cancer and arthritis because they have been working all there life to sustain the riches lifestyle of massive private pension funds , perfect private healthcare and a life of luxury doing fuck all 5 days a week while the minions pick up the shit.[/quote]

    I think I agree with with some of that, but haven’t a clue what that last paragraph is all about? How do you get a massive private pension fund without putting your own money into it, or get private healthcare without paying for it?

    #108291
    Anonymous

      In fear of starting a ‘debate’, do people genuinely believe that this country could have kept a mining industry, paid the miners what the unions were demanding, keep prices competitive with China and other emerging nations AND turned a profit from it?

      Just asking because a lot of people seem to be blaming her for the demise of the industry.

      1. Was it not a deteriorating sector that had it’s end coming long before Thatcher got to power?

      2. Is it not a good thing that we don’t send our kids down the mines anymore?

      I’m far from a Thatcherite, I disagree with the way in which she went about getting quite a lot of things, not to mention the poll tax. I just refuse to buy into this hate campaign created by the extreme left wing.

      Take a look at your life and your house at this moment in time. Would you be able to afford your current lifestyle if things hadn’t have changed?

      Bring on the controversy! :P

      That’s all good and well but at what price?

      She gambled the lives of families all over the country for the sake of the economy.

      The economy didn’t pay for my overpriced house or the ridiculous amount of deposit I needed to buy a 2 bedroom terraced house that was built 100 years ago originally for *drum roll please* THE MINERS!!!!!

      What built my house 100 years ago was the working class and what pays for it now is my working class upbringing not a massive upturn in the economy sending my rich daddies savings through the roof!

      Best comments of the day I have seen are ” you wouldn’t have these lazy people milking benefits if thatcher wad around today ”

      Bollox she sent families all over the country into generations of unemployment but it wasn’t an upturn in the economy that put food on the tables was it.

      People need to take the daily mail out of their arse and realise the benefit system is there to protect you through the rough times and by the time Cameron has done the people throwing their toys out the pram today coz they work full time will be the people with no state pension, no NHS and no sick pay when they are 60 riddled with cancer and arthritis because they have been working all there life to sustain the riches lifestyle of massive private pension funds , perfect private healthcare and a life of luxury doing fuck all 5 days a week while the minions pick up the shit.[/quote]
      In all fairness Salford, that’s not really answered anything that I asked. [edit – just seen your post about the rant now, haha. What can I say? It’s a decisive topic] I do agree about the benefit lifestyle being started under Thatcher’s policies. Let’s not let Blair/Brown off the hook entirely on that one though. I appreciate you being the first of the staunch anti-Thatcher brigade to get involved, but a lot of what you have put is the typical Labour predictive scare-mongering we hear rolled out every week since they lost power.

      #108293
      Anonymous

        In fear of starting a ‘debate’, do people genuinely believe that this country could have kept a mining industry, paid the miners what the unions were demanding, keep prices competitive with China and other emerging nations AND turned a profit from it?

        Just asking because a lot of people seem to be blaming her for the demise of the industry.

        1. Was it not a deteriorating sector that had it’s end coming long before Thatcher got to power?

        2. Is it not a good thing that we don’t send our kids down the mines anymore?

        I’m far from a Thatcherite, I disagree with the way in which she went about getting quite a lot of things, not to mention the poll tax. I just refuse to buy into this hate campaign created by the extreme left wing.

        Take a look at your life and your house at this moment in time. Would you be able to afford your current lifestyle if things hadn’t have changed?

        Bring on the controversy! :P

        40 minutes and still no responses coming your way. Either, the responses are so long and hate filled that they’re taking a long time to write, or … they’re all just gathering down the end of your road.[/quote]
        Fortunately I live in Carlisle these days, which should give me just enough warning to run across the road and hide in the castle should I see an angry mob on the horizon.

        #108294

        In fear of starting a ‘debate’, do people genuinely believe that this country could have kept a mining industry, paid the miners what the unions were demanding, keep prices competitive with China and other emerging nations AND turned a profit from it?

        Just asking because a lot of people seem to be blaming her for the demise of the industry.

        1. Was it not a deteriorating sector that had it’s end coming long before Thatcher got to power?

        2. Is it not a good thing that we don’t send our kids down the mines anymore?

        I’m far from a Thatcherite, I disagree with the way in which she went about getting quite a lot of things, not to mention the poll tax. I just refuse to buy into this hate campaign created by the extreme left wing.

        Take a look at your life and your house at this moment in time. Would you be able to afford your current lifestyle if things hadn’t have changed?

        Bring on the controversy! :P

        That’s all good and well but at what price?

        She gambled the lives of families all over the country for the sake of the economy.

        The economy didn’t pay for my overpriced house or the ridiculous amount of deposit I needed to buy a 2 bedroom terraced house that was built 100 years ago originally for *drum roll please* THE MINERS!!!!!

        What built my house 100 years ago was the working class and what pays for it now is my working class upbringing not a massive upturn in the economy sending my rich daddies savings through the roof!

        Best comments of the day I have seen are ” you wouldn’t have these lazy people milking benefits if thatcher wad around today ”

        Bollox she sent families all over the country into generations of unemployment but it wasn’t an upturn in the economy that put food on the tables was it.

        People need to take the daily mail out of their arse and realise the benefit system is there to protect you through the rough times and by the time Cameron has done the people throwing their toys out the pram today coz they work full time will be the people with no state pension, no NHS and no sick pay when they are 60 riddled with cancer and arthritis because they have been working all there life to sustain the riches lifestyle of massive private pension funds , perfect private healthcare and a life of luxury doing fuck all 5 days a week while the minions pick up the shit.[/quote]
        In all fairness Salford, that’s not really answered anything that I asked. [edit – just seen your post about the rant now, haha. What can I say? It’s a decisive topic] I do agree about the benefit lifestyle being started under Thatcher’s policies. Let’s not let Blair/Brown off the hook entirely on that one though. I appreciate you being the first of the staunch anti-Thatcher brigade to get involved, but a lot of what you have put is the typical Labour predictive scare-mongering we hear rolled out every week since they lost power.[/quote]

        Its not scare mongering mate my mum and dad are living it. They both turn 60 this year my dad can’t get any work after working his whole life. He has now been signed off sick by the doctor due to severe breathing problems. Yet he has been turned down for sick benefits but can’t get job seekers as he has been signed off sick.

        My mother who has broke her back for 40 years looking after the elderly in the care homes that have been gradually privatised all over the country wiping war heroes arses who haven’t got a pit to piss in is now heading for surgery this month that is suspected cancer.

        She will get 6 months pay and a pat on the back once she is too ill from treatment to work any more.

        Her private pension through work is a fucking disgrace and won’t break even on what she paid.

        David Cameron would probably ask why my dad never paid into a private pension and his reply would be because he has been too busy paying for the politicians pensions all his life.

        not playing a sympathy card but think how many people will find themselves in my mum and dads position in the future.

        politics has had a fucking stroke since the boom of social media.

        Truth is it doesn’t matter what party you choose they are all fucking Tories.

        nobody forms their own opinion on things anymore they just reiterate points they read via the media.

        Lambs for the slaughter the lot of us.

        #108295

        And while im off on one Thatcher in my opinion bred greed into the country.

        Nobody is happy anymore to earn a decent living they all want more!

        people used to give a shit about their fellow man now you will get thrown to the dogs if you claim jsa longer than 6 months.

        #108296
        brynlaticbrynlatic
        Player

          Mrs. Thatcher’s government made the decision to destroy the coal industry for political reasons- not economic. She feared the miners because they were instrumental in bringing down ted heath a few years earlier. She was scared of the power wielded by the NUM and wanted an end to them-ruining communities in the process. Top lady.

          #108297
          thty5yearswafctrevor hoy
          Player

            Just asking because a lot of people seem to be blaming her for the demise of the industry.

            1. Was it not a deteriorating sector that had it’s end coming long before Thatcher got to power?

            2. Is it not a good thing that we don’t send our kids down the mines anymore?

            It was I suppose a dereriorating sector but plenty mines had huge reserves of coal for example Bickershaw Colliery still has 29 million tonnes of coal under neath the site the problem was getting at it and getting out investment was the key something the tory government at the time were not prepared to do

            The second part of your question was outlawed after the second world war might have been earlier not got a clue why you would think that kids still went down the mine in the 70’s and 80’s

            #108299
            GodIan
            Player

              Maggie (spits on the floor) ruined industry in this country. She sold off all our assets and entrusted the money into the city (city workers don’t strike).
              What a great fuck1n idea that was. Entrust your counties wealth to the biggest crooks in the country

              #108300
              thty5yearswafctrevor hoy
              Player

                Take a look at your life and your house at this moment in time. Would you be able to afford your current lifestyle if things hadn’t have changed?

                I can just about afford it if it wasn’t for the privatization of gas, electric,water,trains,buses I may be a lot better off

                #108301
                Anonymous

                  35, by kids I mean the next generation, not literally children. Regarding Bickershaw, it sounds like something that would have probably been similar across the country. Quite simply, if you have a business, it’s basic common sense that you shouldn’t spend more money on production than the end value of the product. Obviously it was such a huge industry though, when it went so quickly, it caused huge consequences.

                  Sallford, I am very sorry to hear about your personal circumstances mate. I truly hope that things do take a turn and get better. My dad had to retire at an early age and live on incapacity benefit and it isn’t a lot of money. Even worse now that he is of pension age and thus can’t claim it anymore. Social benefits should be there and much better for those in need of them. Last year, I also reluctantly claimed JSA for the first time in my life and it really does help. I wouldn’t say it’s the politicians creating the stigma of benefits, there has been a lot of resentment brewing for years over the minority of people that have been, and allowed to, take the system for a ride.

                  I agree with you sentiments about politicians, or the majority of the self-serving careerists we have ‘representing’ us. The idea that certain parties stand for certain social groups in completely outdated these days. I would personally say that Tony Blair was more right wing than David Cameron is, and did a hell of a lot to make the rich richer and poor poorer. If he had been a Conservative prime minister, he would have been hated just as much as Thatcher is today. Fact is, there is a lot of people giving it the evil Tory vibe, blinding themselves to the fact that the others can be just as bad, if not worse.

                  #108302
                  bickymonbickymon
                  Player

                    spot on thirty we might differ on some aspects (football) but never when the village is concerned
                    thatcher i shit and dance on her grave party time

                    #108303
                    thty5yearswafctrevor hoy
                    Player

                      Bollox she sent families all over the country into generations of unemployment but it wasn’t an upturn in the economy that put food on the tables was it.

                      Correct the miners especially in pit villages worked in the pits for generations to turn them from miners into for example into a call center worker is one hell of a turn around especially with the industrial language accepted in heavy industry that alone put hundreds of thosands on the scrap heap for years

                      #108304
                      thty5yearswafctrevor hoy
                      Player

                        In fear of starting a ‘debate’, do people genuinely believe that this country could have kept a mining industry, paid the miners what the unions were demanding, keep prices competitive with China and other emerging nations AND turned a profit from it?

                        Just asking because a lot of people seem to be blaming her for the demise of the industry.

                        1. Was it not a deteriorating sector that had it’s end coming long before Thatcher got to power?

                        2. Is it not a good thing that we don’t send our kids down the mines anymore?

                        I’m far from a Thatcherite, I disagree with the way in which she went about getting quite a lot of things, not to mention the poll tax. I just refuse to buy into this hate campaign created by the extreme left wing.

                        Take a look at your life and your house at this moment in time. Would you be able to afford your current lifestyle if things hadn’t have changed?

                        Bring on the controversy! :P

                        40 minutes and still no responses coming your way. Either, the responses are so long and hate filled that they’re taking a long time to write, or … they’re all just gathering down the end of your road.[/quote]

                        there was a football match on the telly ;)

                        #108305
                        OKALAndrew
                        Player

                          She was one sexy woman in her pomp ;)

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