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i think you will find his first offence was with an owd granny mate :angry-boxing: :angry-boxing:
Having said all that I hope Ferggie puts an appeal in and turns up at the hearing with footage of all the footballers over the years who have blatantly sworn after:-
1) Scoring a goal
2) Missing a goal
3) Been sent off
4) Been fouled from behind
5) Picked up a trophy
etc. etc. etc.The one that sticks in my mind and is still shown regular with no blurred out mouth, is John Barnes scoring for Liverpool “You fuc**ing beauty” he mouths for everyone to observe.
Whilst not being a lover of Shrek, I really hope Ferggie fights toe to toe with the self righteous set of pompous gits, that is the FA. :angry-soapbox:
He swore into a camera with a mic on it and you could hear him clear as day !! Kids were watching that and regardless of what they may hear in the street or playground daily, they should not be hearing it from a professional footballer who should be setting an example to the kids of today !! :angry-soapbox: [/quote]
I totally agree with that 100%, what I don’t agree with is the FA pleasing themselves when they apply rules and when they chose to ignore them. As I said thousands of footballers have swore knowing the cameras are full on them and nowt has been said or done. Look at the outburst by Drogba when he lost it after the final whistle and started effing and jeffing into the camera for everyone to see and HEAR. He actually got banned for that but for calling the ref a cheat, not swearing.
What about the FA fining Blackpool for fielding a weakened team and yet Ferggie and others have been doing it for years. Remember West ham beating Liverpool reserves on the last day of the season to stay up a few years ago. Was anything said or done by the FA for England fielding a weakened team only last week allowing key players top go back to their clubs, friendly or no friendly.
As I said I’m not condoning what Wayne Rooney did one little bit, but the FA get up my harris!! :roll:
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What a journey!He swore into a camera with a mic on it and you could hear him clear as day !! Kids were watching that and regardless of what they may hear in the street or playground daily, they should not be hearing it from a professional footballer who should be setting an example to the kids of today !! :angry-soapbox:
This is one argument that always gets my goat.
Professional footballers, no matter how highly paid they may be, are paid to play football. They are not paid to be any sort of role model to anyone & neither should they be
I hope everyone getting on their soapbox about Rooney’s outburst at the weekend never swears within a football ground when there are kids, women & others about who might be offended by it. That’s as against the rules of entry to a football ground as Rooney’s outburst was against the laws of association football
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Can’t agree with much of that.
Not only do they get paid for playing they also get endorsements, sponsorships, appear on TV, in magazines, sticker albums, etc. They are role models whether they like it or not.
No, I don’t swear at football matches. My 13 year old would be shocked and my dad would slap me!
Finally, and I could be wrong, but I think using foul and abusive language may actually be an offence in law not just against the rules of entry to football grounds.
This is one argument that always gets my goat.Professional footballers, no matter how highly paid they may be, are paid to play football. They are not paid to be any sort of role model to anyone & neither should they be
I hope everyone getting on their soapbox about Rooney’s outburst at the weekend never swears within a football ground when there are kids, women & others about who might be offended by it. That’s as against the rules of entry to a football ground as Rooney’s outburst was against the laws of association football
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Tyldesley
A serious question: what is your stance on players being booked for removing their shirts, and what is the logic in that?
Is the removing of a shirt bookable because there may be offensive language or possibly political statements and the suchlike on vests/t-shirts underneath, or is it because a half naked footballer might cause offence?
If the yellow card is for the offence it may cause, I can’t understand why this is bookable, but swearing into a camera isn’t. If it’s an issue of being offensive, then would you not say that swearing into a camera should carry a yellow card at the very least, albeit awarded after the game?
If a player made an offensive gesture at the crowd, the bench, or the referee, would they not be punished for this? This Rooney incident therefore, has to be viewed in the same light, surely?
Saying all this, I do feel however, that if it was someone like Michael Owen who did this, the incident would have been forgotten about soon after the game. Rooney has become a pantomime villain.
And….in answer, no, I do deliberately not swear in front of women and children (my own included), and if it comes out involuntarily, I immediately apologise. I’m old-school and proud of it.
Standish
As far as I am aware the law about booking a player for removing their shirt after scoring a goal is because it can be deemed provocative. Either to opposition supporters/players or getting supporters of the team who have just scored too excited (ooo er!!!)
Personally I think its a farcical law although its not one I’ve ever had to implement yet when I’ve been reffingHopefully that clears up that in relation to swearing into a camera as the 2 aren’t really linked
The problem with the laws as they stand is that using foul & abusive language is technically a red card offence but the FA ask ref’s to use their judgement. You will not find a football game anywhere in Britain where the players don’t use foul and abusive language either at themselves, their team mates or the opposition but we get told to ignore most of it (or have a word if we feel its getting out of hand) unless its a foul mouth tirade directed towards us. Even a “f**kin hell ref” is generally not considered to be somet to pull them up on unless it becomes persistent
If I was getting assessed & a player scored, swore at somebody in a release of frustration & i sent him off I would get asked afterwards what the hell I was doing.At most what Rooney did should be a fine for bringing the game into disrepute (as it was live on TV & he knew there was a very good chance that the millions watchign would see & hear it) but a 2 game ban??? Its ridiculous & as you say its a case of Rooney having become a pantomine villain & if it had been any other player on the pitch that day then it’d have been forgotten about as soon as they apologised
With regards to supporters such as yourself swearing – I didn’t ask whether anybody did it deliberately but people do it, even the most mild mannered. People who have sat & stood round me over the years at games probably won’t believe me but i don’t deliberately swear – but football is a passionate game & in the heat of the moment it comes out & if I remember I do try & apologise to anyone it might have offended
You say that you immediately apologise if you swear at a game. That is basically what Rooney did (or someone at the club did on his behalf) – if after swearing & apologising, the police came & tapped you on teh shoulder & arrested you for using foul & abusive language likely to cause a breach of the peace I imagine that you’d be complaining about the injustice of it all & probably rightly soCan’t agree with much of that.Not only do they get paid for playing they also get endorsements, sponsorships, appear on TV, in magazines, sticker albums, etc. They are role models whether they like it or not.
No, I don’t swear at football matches. My 13 year old would be shocked and my dad would slap me!
Finally, and I could be wrong, but I think using foul and abusive language may actually be an offence in law not just against the rules of entry to football grounds.
I am not saying that youngsters don’t see them as role models but that they are footballers – that’s what they’re paid to do & nothing else.
If they have endorsements with companies & that company doesn’t like the conduct of that player then their contract is cancelled – that is up to the particular company. Same with the club they play for
They do not claim to be role models, do not tell children to follow their example or neccessarily think they are a good example to follow. If they do somet like Rooney did on Saturday & a child copies them then it is up to the parent of that child to tell them it is wrong & explain to them why it is.
If the child says “But Rooney did it on Saturday & nothign happened to him” the parent should tell em that they don’t care what Wayne Rooney did or didn’t do, they won’t do it
If a parent holds the likes of Wayne Rooney up as an example of how to conduct themselves then they deserve everythign that they getThe “they’re a role model” argument reminds me of parents attitudes towards school where the school’s are blamed for making their kids fat coz they serve turkey twizzlers for lunch & when the kids go home for tea they’re given pizza, chips, pies & what not
Likewise when school’s are blamed for kid’s behaviour coz it’s easier to shift the blame than do their own job as a parentAnd on yourself swearing. I acknowledge not everyone does, but plenty do including those around you & I’m guessing that whereas if its gets too much you might say somet to em but that you’ve never reported someone to the stewards/police for it & demand they be ejected & charged
If they mike up the refs and broadcast the conversations on air, it will stop overnight ! Exactly what happened in US Sports, which used to suffer from similar problems.
If they mike up the refs and broadcast the conversations on air, it will stop overnight ! Exactly what happened in US Sports, which used to suffer from similar problems.If they did that then ALL games shown live would have to kick off after the watershed. Good job Mary Whitehouse isn’t around she would have a turn at some of the language that would be aired during a Utd/Arsenal, Utd/Liverpool or Manc derby game.
Can’t agree with much of that.
Not only do they get paid for playing they also get endorsements, sponsorships, appear on TV, in magazines, sticker albums, etc. They are role models whether they like it or not.
No, I don’t swear at football matches. My 13 year old would be shocked and my dad would slap me!
Finally, and I could be wrong, but I think using foul and abusive language may actually be an offence in law not just against the rules of entry to football grounds.
I am not saying that youngsters don’t see them as role models but that they are footballers – that’s what they’re paid to do & nothing else.
If they have endorsements with companies & that company doesn’t like the conduct of that player then their contract is cancelled – that is up to the particular company. Same with the club they play for
They do not claim to be role models, do not tell children to follow their example or neccessarily think they are a good example to follow. If they do somet like Rooney did on Saturday & a child copies them
then it is up to the parent of that child to tell them it is wrong & explain to them why it is.
If the child says “But Rooney did it on Saturday & nothign happened to him” the parent should tell em that they don’t care what Wayne Rooney did or didn’t do, they won’t do it
If a parent holds the likes of Wayne Rooney up as an example of how to conduct themselves then they deserve everythign that they get[/quote]Fully agree on parental responsibility. You can’t delegate that to anyone else, but using your logic there would be no role models. No chooses to be, or gets paid for being, a role model. You get chosen by others as their role model and kids may not be that discerning. So, I maintain that if you benefit from your public image and fame then you carry some responsibility and should be accountable for your behaviours. Just as you argue that parents should hold their children accountable and bring them in line if they misbehave, so we/ the media/ the FA should hold Rooney accountable.
The “they’re a role model” argument reminds me of parents attitudes towards school where the school’s are blamed for making their kids fat coz they serve turkey twizzlers for lunch & when the kids go home for tea they’re given pizza, chips, pies & what not
Likewise when school’s are blamed for kid’s behaviour coz it’s easier to shift the blame than do their own job as a parentCan’t see that schools serving crap up for kids to eat and then parents doing the same at home really serves any argument for ‘role modelling’.
And on yourself swearing. I acknowledge not
everyone does, but plenty do including those around you & I’m guessing that whereas if its gets too much you might say somet to em but that you’ve never reported someone to the stewards/police for it & demand they be ejected & chargedYour original post was that this behaviour wasn’t against the rules of entry to football stadia when clearly it is. And yes I’ve said plenty to others and those who spend 90 minutes moaning at everything too. Never had to report them, but I would if I was so moved. Thing is, my fellow supporters aren’t deemed role models, so if I choose to go to a game I accept it’s part of the experience and the risk my son will experience it. He has heard it all, but knows it’s wrong and knows how he is expected to behave.
Fully agree on parental responsibility. You can’t delegate that to anyone else, but using your logic there would be no role models. No chooses to be, or gets paid for being, a role model. You get chosen by others as their role model and kids may not be that discerning. So, I maintain that if you benefit from your public image and fame then you carry some responsibility and should be accountable for your behaviours. Just as you argue that parents should hold their children accountable and bring them in line if they misbehave, so we/ the media/ the FA should hold Rooney accountable.Can’t see that schools serving crap up for kids to eat and then parents doing the same at home really serves any argument for ‘role modelling’.
Your original post was that this behaviour wasn’t against the rules of entry to football stadia when clearly it is. And yes I’ve said plenty to others and those who spend 90 minutes moaning at everything too. Never had to report them, but I would if I was so moved. Thing is, my fellow supporters aren’t deemed role models, so if I choose to go to a game I accept it’s part of the experience and the risk my son will experience it. He has heard it all, but knows it’s wrong and knows how he is expected to behave.
My original post did not say that his behaviour wasn’t against the rules of entry to a football stadia. My original post was arguing against the “he’s a role model & should set an example”.
My second post (I think) mentioned the rules of entry to a stadium but did not say Rooney swearing wasn’t against those rules. I said I hope that none of those having a go at Rooney about what he did last Saturday use foul & abusive language in a football stadium coz that is as much against the rules of entry to a ground as Rooney’s language after scoring was against the laws of football – meaning that they were both against the rules/laws but it happens all the time & nowt is done about itThe reason I used the school meals in one of my posts was that I remember watching Jamie’s School Meals once (can’t stand the man but I work on the estates side of schools including school meals so it was job research!!) & he had parents in being interviewed screaming blue murder about the rubbish the school was serving. In a separate room he had their children & he asked what they’d had for tea last night & every single one of them had eaten some form of junk/fast/takeaway food.
Its hypocritical in my eyes & is directly relatable (in my opinion anyway) to someone agereeing that Rooney should have the book thrown at him for last week when they sit in football grounds every week & use the same language. If you want a football comparison then go back a few years to when a load fo Everton fans complained Roy Keane had told them to f off after scoring for United at Goodison and used the “it was the family stand as well” to back up their argument as to how outrageous it was. The only problem was that all the papers had printed Keane’s celebration & virtually to a man every adult in the stand was giving either a 1 or 2 fingered salute to Keane & what they appeared to be in the middle of mouthing didn’t look too savoury eitherBack to being a role model, we’ll have to agree to differ on that one. There are plenty of people in the public eye who hold themselves up as role models – footballers aren’t in that group in my eyes & never will be unless of course they directly state it. If their behaviour starts to go against what their sponsors or club want portrayed then they can cancel contracts
“so if I choose to go to a game I accept it’s part of the experience and the risk my son will experience it. He has heard it all, but knows it’s wrong and knows how he is expected to behave.” – I might be wilfully misreading this statement but to me it kind of negates all of your arguments against what Rooney did. If you know swearing & such like is part of what goes on in & around a football stadium then surely you acknowledge that its part & parcel of playing the game that emotions run high & players will swear – people know its wrong & that’s not how they should behave so where’s the problem??
I guess though it comes down to somebody deciding who is & isn’t a role model & off their own judgement of that (not the “role model” themselves deciding it) making a further decision that their behaviour should be better than the thousands of other people in that football stadium
I don’t (& never will) see any reason why Mr X should be expected to behave any better than Mr Y simply because Mr X is famous
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