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Oh and by the way,in a few years if not sooner, (cos it doesn’t matter as we wont be able to do anything about it) we’ll find out that the politicians
or their family members, who did the selling off, will either be advisors to or directors of the companies that did the buying.Like Ian McCartney you mean?
wether the debt was left by labour or not, (I’m not totally convinced the debt is that). its called shock tactics, whichever party is in power we would have been told that the debt was massive, and if we dont make wholsale cuts we will be in the rubbish. so everybody starts blaming everybody else, and while we are arguing about it, and footballers wages, and the fat cats salaries, and the bankers etc, etc, the government carry on making financial cuts and job cuts in public services
and scrapping free swimming, and this that and the other, all the time telling us that this “streamlining” will “save” us, so we’ad best not oppose it or the country’s had it.
What happens next is that the public services will be sold off, to the fat cats buisnesses and the governments cronies,and they will get richer and richer, while we get poorer and poorer.
And by “we” I mean, not only the poor souls at the bottom of the ladder,
but a lot of so called proffesionals, and delluded people who believe they are middle class cos they think they own there own house’ or mid priced car, or overpriced fitted kitchen etc etc.Sorry to go on, but mi baths not very fast at filling for some reason.
Hehehehe you honestly believe Labour never left the debt this country now faces??? Are you mad?
Over spent year after year, sold of our gold reserves so we didnt have any fall back….. biggest debt this generation has ever seen, 40k per tax paying person….
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Ian McCartney is small fry compared to what we will see over the next few years.I meant to say “I’m not totally convinced the debt is that BIG. Meaning as big as the present leaders say.
Don’t get me wrong i’m not defending labours hiss poor record. No matter who is in power, what i’m on about will happen anyway.
Who said “biggest debt this generation has ever seen” (and without trying to be pedantic, which generation, My generation or my kids generation). Was it other politicians or maybe a leading economist perhaps, or a banker. or a company director or somebody else “up there” (and I don’t mean god). what i will garauntee is, it wasn’t somebody down here (and I don’t mean the devil). All the economists, bankers directors and most of the politicians want to achieve the same goals, and what they want to achieve will not help us.
Nearly all the up and coming young politicians(the present and future party leaders and cabinet members) all went into politics as a carear move to help themselves and not to help the people who eventually vote for them. Usually by getting a job within a political party often as advisors. I suspect which party doesn’t matter to them. And if you wonder as advisors of what, if you look, most studied economics at Uni.
And thats the first step to their sought after directorship and even more money than they have now. (Remember they could buy and sell most of us even before they went to Uni). To reach their goal they are not bothered who they step on or what they screw up to get there.These people have absolutley nothing in common with the vast majority of people they pretend to represent. And they will lie and cheat to get you onside so they can have virtual free reign.
And can we get a spell check on here please?
“The figures are worth repeating: the latest budget red book puts UK debt at 61.9% of gross domestic product in 2010/11 (against 177% in 1932) and debt interest at 6.3% of total public expenditure in 2010/11 (against 40% in 1932).
And the invaluable annual report of the Bank for International Settlements (the “central bankers’ bank”, based in Basle) contains some impressive charts and tables that suggest our new prime minister and chancellor, along with their Lib Dem collaborators, should be prosecuted under the Trade Descriptions Act for distorting the scale of our fiscal problems.
I give you chapter and verse: on page 68 (Part V) you will find that Britain is top of the league when it comes to the length of time before its debt has to be refinanced. The “average maturity” of the UK’s debt is 14 years; by comparison, other leading industrial countries, including the US and Germany, have maturities of under 9 years. This is not to say there is anything wrong with the US or German position – few can gainsay the fiscal rectitude of the Germans; and the US, whatever its fiscal problems, remains the pre-eminent reserve currency. But it shows how hysterical the debate in Britain has become.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jul/04/osborne-markets-fiscal-recovery
No matter how you try and pin this on the new government, and being at risk of dragging the thread back to the digrace bit. Wigan is a cr*p hole, it has got worse over the last 20 years, Labour and all its support from the borough havent really done anything to make it better.
The country is in a position of pain and debt, left by the overspending of a labour government who did nothing to try and ensure the jobs they created were long term. They spent the UK gold reserves and even got to the point of printing money, over a decade of missmanagement across the public sector.
No matter how you try to blame otehr politicians, global recessions etc. Labour did not make this country better and left us in a position where we have to take responsibility for all the problems, not them. They will be too busy laughing at Joe Public for letting them fill their coffers with expenses and give them nice pay offs when they lost their seats…
The point i was trying to make was, that it doesn’t matter which of the main parties are in power. Because they will in one way or another follow the same policies, The policies of Milton Friedman, country after country have done this for one reason or another, and in all cases except one or two where the masses rebelled, the minority very rich got richer, and the majority, relativley poor got poorer. all at the expense of public services,And Jobs. Check them out, Bolivia, South Africa, Poland, Indonesia, Russia,China,Sri Lanka, Iraq. And Many others.In this country Thatcher started it Blair Carried on where Thatcher left off and Cameron and Clegg are taking it to a different level.
fair point I agree, it just annoys me when people seem to blame the current administration for the debts of the last, they are all as bad as each other really.
I dont think this thread is going anywhere now so do you think we can curtail it please ! If you feel that strong about it get yourself down to Hyde park and vent your spleen on a tea box down there ! Its the same old story every time a new government comes to power and to be honest its getting tedious now ! :idea:
I dont think this thread is going anywhere now so do you think we can curtail it please ! If you feel that strong about it get yourself down to Hyde park and vent your spleen on a tea box down there ! Its the same old story every time a new government comes to power and to be honest its getting tedious now ! :idea:Sory, fil, but a thread going nowhere needs to be curtailed? :shock:
I can think of a lot more in that category.
And (to quote many a poster on here) – don’t read it then.
I dont think this thread is going anywhere now so do you think we can curtail it please ! If you feel that strong about it get yourself down to Hyde park and vent your spleen on a tea box down there ! Its the same old story every time a new government comes to power and to be honest its getting tedious now ! :idea:Who made you the thought police ?? Name me a thread on this site that really goes anywhere??
I dont think this thread is going anywhere now so do you think we can curtail it please ! If you feel that strong about it get yourself down to Hyde park and vent your spleen on a tea box down there ! Its the same old story every time a new government comes to power and to be honest its getting tedious now ! :idea:
Who made you the thought police ?? Name me a thread on this site that really goes anywhere??[/quote]
The Never Ending Thread :P As for calling me the thought police ! Who are you George Orwell ! I cant be doing with left wing pinko subversives !! :shock:
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