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There’s a shortage of good building land for properties so those few residents who would prefer a peaceful life wont stand a chance.
That land will only go up in value and if it was bought under the club then it’s the property of the club.
But back to my point, it wouldn’t have cost the earth to build up an Academy in comparison what we wasted over the years.Euxton cost the club 2.2 million and considering the money we’ve wasted on certain players (I haven’t got all day to list them) I cannot figure out why some wasn’t set aside and an Academy made are number 1 priority.
An as for “wages” took the money ?,before we took the drop we had the lowest wage bill of all the established teams in the Prem. We had FA Cup money , and Europa money the year after but we felt it wasnt the right thing to do and by that time it was way toooo late in the day as the money was used to try and get back in the Prem.
I’m in no doubt that, that very bad decision not to go ahead with it will come back to bite us on the harse while young talent in and around the North go elsewhere simply because of whats on offer and that’s no disrespect to the lads running the show now.
As far as I’m aware there’s still uncertainly hanging over the Charnock Richard site, which I’ve heard are due to conservation issues – hence why it’s still lying undeveloped.
But that’s just hearsay.
On the finances though, yes we did have the lowest wage bill in the Premier League, but we also had the lowest income (read these)
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/apr/18/premier-league-finances-club-by-club
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/01/premier-league-accounts-club-by-club-david-conn
So they never exactly had spare cash lying around.
The club only started to really tighten purse-strings and look at producing players through an academy when Martinez was appointed and when Jonathan Jackson replaced Brenda Spence.
So how many houses will they be able to fit on the old golf course? Who bought the land? The club or was it Whelan’s own money? If it’s the club’s money then surely there will be some massive return one day right? Can football clubs do such business? So many questions! I did suspect that it was never going to be an academy though !
Yes it was but LCC put too many barriers in place. I am guessing the land was bought by Mr Whelan, not the club. So when he sells it on it will recoup his money.
BTW, where the hell do you think the money came from to buy the Bolton’s old training ground? Even more investment that he will NEVER see again.[/quote]
I’ve not a clue, do elucidate![/quote]
Doesn’t seem to have Mr Whelan’s name on this very official looking document, in fact it says ‘Wigan Athletic Football Club’ You’ll no doubt worm your way out of it saying WAFC is Dave Whelan but in the eyes of the taxman I think you will find that the 2 are not the same!
https://democracy.chorley.gov.uk/documents/s46709/1400641FULMAJ-%20Charnock%20Richard%20Golf%20Club%20Preston%20Road%20Charnock%20Richard.pdf%5B/quote%5D
It’s probably still owned by the club. But seeing at the guide-price at auction was only £650k, and the local residents were up in arms about anyone building there, I doubt it will be a huge windfall when the club do sell it on.In the end it was simply cheaper to buy a ready-made one off Bolton during their closing down sale.[/quote]
The ready made one is a first team training ground and we still have Christopher Park which is being used as an academy of sorts at the moment.Charnock Richard will be there and I can’t imagine houses going all over the land. Saying that houses are going up at a rate of knots everywhere in Chorley Borough so planning regs look very easy to get around in Chorley.
Lets face it, Christopher Park is hardly a Top Academy type set up is it. I’m not talking the likes of City but a modern new Academy to attract young players from the surrounding Prem clubs.
Lets see,
Boselli or an Academy ?Lets face it, Christopher Park is hardly a Top Academy type set up is it. I’m not talking the likes of City but a modern new Academy to attract young players from the surrounding Prem clubs.
Lets see,
Boselli or an Academy ?Hindsight’s a wonderful thing though.
‘No, don’t buy the top scorer in Argentinian football. We want you to put the money towards building an academy instead’ said all the Wigan fans at the time….
I imagine that a club of our stature makes building an academy another major drain on resources so its always gonna be low priority. Like SW says we wanted top players brought in on high wages at the time but now we should have set up the academy instead . Don’t know what the club could have done differently to be honest. I think that Euxton was maybe seen as an offer too good to turn down.
I don’t know who bought the Charnock Richard site but “the club” didn’t buy the Euxton one off Bolton – Huron Properties did
Also, just coz it says Wigan Athletic on the planning permission it doesn’t mean that Wigan Athletic own the land at Charnock Richard. ‘ve put in planning applications where I used to work & it was always in the school’s name even though the land & buildings were owned by a charity who allowed the school use of the buildings for a peppercorn rent
HOW DARE YOU let facts get in the way of a good story/conspiracy theory/propaganda (delete as appropriate).
What were you thinking?[/quote]The club bought it as ‘Standish’ also pointed out! All I said was it was never going to be a Grade One Academy, never in a month of Sundays!
City have one of the richest owners on the planet and the worlds best academy. Didn’t stop them failing miserably in the CL yet again thank god for Leicester.
Burnley investing 11 million in purpose built facilities whilst they have their time in the Prem. Meanwhile we fudged along at Christopher park talking about it then managed to get a knockdown price on Boltons old one.
I imagine that a club of our stature makes building an academy another major drain on resources so its always gonna be low priority. Like SW says we wanted top players brought in on high wages at the time but now we should have set up the academy instead . Don’t know what the club could have done differently to be honest. I think that Euxton was maybe seen as an offer too good to turn down.And the way its going, we’ll be selling it back to Bolton once they change places with us. :(
DW, for all his good intentions for WAFC and the town, was a “want it now” type of Chairman. Lets not dress it up – he bankrolled the club from the lower leagues to the top tier with signings and wages designed to bring rapid success at whatever cost. His focus was purely on reaching the Premier League. Once there, signings and wages were almost compulsory if his club and him were going to have any sort of attention – anything less would have seen us in the Swindon & Barnsley categories of blink and you’d miss them.
During that meterioric rise at the start of the millennium, DW didn’t build an academy – the foundation to underpin the club. Football is a very popular sport, yet in all those premier league years, I cannot remember a single Wigan-born and academy developed player making any meaningful contribution. Even now, Flores and Chow are the best we seem to have produced, and they were deemed not good enough for Championship football.
The horse has now bolted. The premier league cash has gone and the parachute payments are about to stop. If an academy is to be built, it will be small-scale as any money spent on that is money that wont be spent on improving the poor squad we have now.
good write,
We missed our chance to invest in a top quality Academy and produce young talented lads that might have seen us through the darker times.City have one of the richest owners on the planet and the worlds best academy. Didn’t stop them failing miserably in the CL yet again thank god for Leicester.City’s were built to offset spending within the fairplay rules
http://mobile.burnleyfootballclub.com//news/article/barnfield-training-centre-update-june-2016-3132950.aspxBurnley investing 11 million in purpose built facilities whilst they have their time in the Prem. Meanwhile we fudged along at Christopher park talking about it then managed to get a knockdown price on Boltons old one.
The difference is, when Burnley got to the Premier League they had a forward thinking manager, CEO and Chairman, and when we first got there, we didn’t.
Jewell put no emphasis on developing youth, and Bruce pretty much stifled it in in order to direct all the funds in the first team.
As I said earlier, it was only when Martinez came in and when JJ replaced Brenda Spence that the plan to build an academy was hatched.
A state of the art academy does not guarantee you the next Messi or Ronaldo. Chelsea reportedly have 40 odd players out on loan so their academy is working well for other clubs. How many of the top clubs have homegrown players in abundance in their first teams?. Pressure dictates that success means spending big and paying massive wages not nurturing your own.
Burnley investing 11 million in purpose built facilities whilst they have their time in the Prem. Meanwhile we fudged along at Christopher park talking about it then managed to get a knockdown price on Boltons old one.
The difference is, when Burnley got to the Premier League they had a forward thinking manager, CEO and Chairman, and when we first got there, we didn’t.
Jewell put no emphasis on developing youth, and Bruce pretty much stifled it in in order to direct all the funds in the first team.
As I said earlier, it was only when Martinez came in and when JJ replaced Brenda Spence that the plan to build an academy was hatched.[/quote]
Burnley FC probably own Turf Moor and their Academy after two previous journeys into Premier League football and have a sound financial footing. We had eight years in that league, cup runs and huge player sale revenue and four years of parachute payments and have very little in assets and are flying towards league one at a rate of knots.
A state of the art academy does not guarantee you the next Messi or Ronaldo. Chelsea reportedly have 40 odd players out on loan so their academy is working well for other clubs. How many of the top clubs have homegrown players in abundance in their first teams?. Pressure dictates that success means spending big and paying massive wages not nurturing your own.Please don’t try and draw a comparison with Messi Ronaldo and Chelsea. The bigger clubs have the financial strength to never need to use youth players.
There is no argument here, we would stand a far better chance with a good youth system rather than loan after loan and free i.e end of career players with no conecction to the club.It worked for Southampton years ago who once were on the brink of disappearing for good
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