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    salford_latic44Salford_Latic44
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    As we all like talking about previous managers until the cows come home I was wondering what peoples opinions were on the following?

    Coyles Europa exploits?

    Coyles Signings?

    Coyles general managerial capabilities?

    Personally for me I think Coyle destroyed what was a great opportunity for us going into Europe for the first (and quite possible the last) time.

    I thought the opposition was poor not even up to championship standard and was bemused by professional and personal opinions of us doing well against these so called great teams.

    In summary I thought we were shite and if we were playing the football we are now under Rosler we would of pissed that group with ease!

    Signings have been hit and miss for me.

    The most worrying part is that now we have removed Holt from the wage books there is suddenly a gap for 4 players to slot into the wage budget albeit on loan…. How much was he on? I don’t put too much blame on Coyle for signing him he was a proven goal scorer at every level but it was clear why Norwich let him go from day 1 when it looked like was running in quick sand.

    His legs had gone which I suspect Norwich had noticed before deciding to sell their fan favourite.

    As for Coyles overall managerial stint with Wigan…

    Under performing in the league, terrible dress sense and a tactical approach that was a hundred miles away from the attractive attacking football he promised us from day 1 cam pm;y ne described as a shambles.

    I think he will have to drop down the leagues to get another chance and I understand why.

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    vincehillvinceHill
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    Yes all good points but who appointed him and sanctioned the move for a has been like Holt?
    The Europa league was a gutter and I agree we could easily have been looking forward to a plum tie this month and we should be in the play positions at least given the squad he had.

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    WeregoingtobarnsleyHenry Peacock
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    Long balls, short pants.

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    filmossfilmoss
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    Yes all good points but who appointed him and sanctioned the move for a has been like Holt?
    The Europa league was a gutter and I agree we could easily have been looking forward to a plum tie this month and we should be in the play positions at least given the squad he had.

    Quite right ! At the end of the day Uncle Dave must be held accountable for the appointment of Coyle ! :whistle:

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    griffChris Griffin
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    Yes all good points but who appointed him and sanctioned the move for a has been like Holt?
    The Europa league was a gutter and I agree we could easily have been looking forward to a plum tie this month and we should be in the play positions at least given the squad he had.

    Coyle indeed turned out to be a bad appointment but he must have interviewed well and ticked the boxes the chairman was looking for at the time. And at least he acted quickly once he realised it wasn’t working.

    As for Holt, I don’t recall hearing one dissenting voice at the time he was signed. There will no doubt be hundreds who will now claim that they always thought he was a bad signing, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

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    Squire Manny BrownBB
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    I still think the appointment of Coyle was a knee jerk reaction to relegation. We needed someone to get us back up cheaply and quickly – which of course Coyle has done before. However we neglected to take into account the style of play. It was as if all that Bob had tried to build for the past 4 years had simply been discarded overnight.

    We’re now back on track with Rosler who when he eventually assembles his own squad will have us playing the right way again.

    My abiding memory of the Coyle era will the 9 consecutive away games without a sodding goal. Not as dark as the Kenny ‘dark days’ Swain era but dark nevertheless.

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    psklpaul tymon
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    I for one thought holt was a good signing but it just didnt happen as for coyle i think the chairman looked at what he did at burnley which was a great achievement in a nutshell shit happens

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    I thought Coyle would be a good appointment and was more than happy with most of his signings.

    I said several times in match previews that I thought he was handling the number of games well with his changes but I think it got to a point where he was making changes for the sake of it as opposed to for the good of the team. There was no continuity other than Barnett and Carson and it was tough for players to form partnerships and understandings.

    Then you start to hear the tales from the training ground of Irn-Bru and ping pong and you start to wonder, especially when we were quite clearly so unfit.

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    itwasbackinthedayOlder Springfielder
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    he came on the cheap and talked the talk.son in law was asking how many were in the pot for interviews has there was only one in the pot when we got rosler. didn’t we have rosler in our sights before but never invited him for a chat. on another thing i dont think we would have had the strength in depth to have made a good run at europa league and put in a shift for the fa cup and still have a hankering for the play off places, something would have to give. someone mentioned hindsight earlier ask yourself what would you want from the team if we had got roseler in first has i dont think we could manage success on three fronts. what is your priority this season

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    SammySammy
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    I don’t recall anyone complaining at the time about the signing of Holt. However, I’m sure no one was aware he joined us on a reputedly £28k per week three year deal and was already 32 years old which, even if he’d turned out to be any good, would still have raised a few eyebrows.

    The problem I had with Coyle was an admittedly illogical gut feeling that he and Wigan Athletic were a complete mismatch and should never have been paired together even though I was willing to give the man a chance to prove me wrong. It turned out he didn’t.

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    TyldesleyLaticTyldesleyLatic
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    I don’t think that it was a knee jerk appointment atall & I think that Griff is right. he must have interviewed well. really f**kin well – said all the right things & impressed Whelan with his transfer targets (according to one journalist that is where McClaren fell short).

    What baffled me though was how someone as astute as Whelan didn’t appear to do any research on Coyle. You could have pulled any Bolton fan off the street & they could have told him the horror stories that were coming from that club for quite some time before they got relegated & up until his sacking. Admittedly most of these would have come from “someone who knows someone who knows someone who fixes the plumbing at their training ground” but with his contacts in the game surely even couple of discreet words with such contacts would have uncovered some facts that would have set alarm bells ringing.
    As it happens, to the outsider looking in, it just appeared that Whelan bought hook, line & sinker into Coyle’s “it was the injuries that done me” excuse. It didn’t take long for some of the exact same stories you heard about his Bolton days to start emerging from Latics camp & for my money it could have easily been avoided.
    Maybe he did seek people’s opinions & maybe they came back positive (I’ve given good reference to people I couldn’t wait to see the back of in work) or maybe he asked, got bad feedback & thought he knew better. Who knows?

    Personally I thought it was a $h!te appointment & nothing I saw gave me any reason to think otherwise. His team selections were baffing, his tactics were garbage & he clearly had no idea how best to utilise the more skillful members of the squad like Maloney & McManaman.

    As for his signings – some were good, some were crap & some were average. I thought Holt was a good signing but I wouldn’t have thought that if I’d know the position he was going to use him in
    And in fairness Griff I can remember one poster (possibly LMB or filmoss) not being too chuffed with it though. Somet along the lines of whenever they’ve seen him he’d looked too fat, slow & immobile

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    runcornfan1978runcornfan1978
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    I was disappointed with his appointment when i heard he had got the job. Would have preferred mclaren, but i was willing to give him a chance.
    as has been previously stated the work that bobby had carried out during 4 years was wiped out literally overnight. I suppose it was only right he had to go.
    someone like rosler or even mclaren should have been appointed to carry on with the footballing philosophy.

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    Did not want Coyle but gave him my support, after the Barnsley away game i thought yes good appointment we`ll walk this league i even had Holt as top goal scorer, but it was a huge mistake and sometimes things don`t work out and this was one of them, gutted at his tactics especially in getting us kicked out of Europe as i promised her in doors a trip abroad as i didn`t have any jollies left last year well i`m keeping my promise and taking her to Wales for the Cardiff game,Onwards and upwards.

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    salford_latic44Salford_Latic44
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    on another thing i dont think we would have had the strength in depth to have made a good run at europa league and put in a shift for the fa cup and still have a hankering for the play off places, something would have to give. someone mentioned hindsight earlier ask yourself what would you want from the team if we had got roseler in first has i dont think we could manage success on three fronts. what is your priority this season

    I know what you mean and perhaps if Rosler or anyone else would have got appointed we still wouldn’t of qualified.

    I just completely disagree that any of those teams in the group had a better squad of players than us but to go out there playing the same school yard tactics that he did in every match was an absolute shambles!

    Spot on about him interviewing well! I didn’t want the appointment but in his post appointment interviews he said all the right things. I think Whelan had been convinced Coyle was a good fit for the players we retained. I think Coyle in his own head thinks he plays good attractive football.

    Looked like we were playing 4-4-1 every game as the CM’s were bypassed at every opportunity with them taking turns on who would turn invisible for 20 minute spells.

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    itwasbackinthedayOlder Springfielder
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    I just completely disagree that any of those teams in the group had a better squad of players than us but to go out there playing the same school yard tactics that he did in every match was an absolute shambles!

    bit harsh that on up holland high schools first team. but seriously i think you are spot on with your observations and there are not many in the ground that would disagree wit you

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