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Maribor are top of the Slovenian league (10 clubs – 36 games if they play each other twice).
Standard Liege are clear leaders in the Belgium league (16 clubs – 30 games), followed by Anderlecht, Brugge and Zulte Waregem.
Rubin Kazan are mid-table in the Russian league (16 clubs – 30 games).
Wigan are 10th in the Championship (24 clubs – 46 games).
It’s difficult to succeed both at home and in Europe. Considering Wigan’s busier league programme, I don’t think that any of the European opponents were pushovers.
Spurs have come through the Europa League but sacked Andre Villas-Boas in December. Swansea have also come through the Europa League but their league form – which started to suffer after the League Cup Final – has been indifferent this season. They have sacked their manager too.
Laudrup is just the latest League Cup winner to leave his post. Five of the last six managers to win the League Cup were not in place twelve months later.
2013 Swansea – Laudrup sacked February 2014
2012 Liverpool – Dalglish sacked May 2012
2011 Birmingham – McLeish suffered relegation with Birmingham and left for Aston Villa in June 2011. His successor Chris Hughton left for Norwich City in June 2012.
2010 Manchester United – Ferguson, carried on
2009 Manchester United – Ferguson, carried on
2008 Tottenham – Ramos sacked October 2008
2007 Chelsea – Mourinho left by mutual consent in September 20072014 Manchester City v Sunderland
Yes all good points but who appointed him and sanctioned the move for a has been like Holt?
The Europa league was a gutter and I agree we could easily have been looking forward to a plum tie this month and we should be in the play positions at least given the squad he had.Quite right ! At the end of the day Uncle Dave must be held accountable for the appointment of Coyle ! :whistle:[/quo
Mr Whelan knew he was accountable fil and that’s why Coyle bit the dust.
I don’t think that it was a knee jerk appointment atall & I think that Griff is right. he must have interviewed well. really f**kin well – said all the right things & impressed Whelan with his transfer targets (according to one journalist that is where McClaren fell short).What baffled me though was how someone as astute as Whelan didn’t appear to do any research on Coyle. You could have pulled any Bolton fan off the street & they could have told him the horror stories that were coming from that club for quite some time before they got relegated & up until his sacking. Admittedly most of these would have come from “someone who knows someone who knows someone who fixes the plumbing at their training ground” but with his contacts in the game surely even couple of discreet words with such contacts would have uncovered some facts that would have set alarm bells ringing.
As it happens, to the outsider looking in, it just appeared that Whelan bought hook, line & sinker into Coyle’s “it was the injuries that done me” excuse. It didn’t take long for some of the exact same stories you heard about his Bolton days to start emerging from Latics camp & for my money it could have easily been avoided.
Maybe he did seek people’s opinions & maybe they came back positive (I’ve given good reference to people I couldn’t wait to see the back of in work) or maybe he asked, got bad feedback & thought he knew better. Who knows?Personally I thought it was a $h!te appointment & nothing I saw gave me any reason to think otherwise. His team selections were baffing, his tactics were garbage & he clearly had no idea how best to utilise the more skillful members of the squad like Maloney & McManaman.
As for his signings – some were good, some were crap & some were average. I thought Holt was a good signing but I wouldn’t have thought that if I’d know the position he was going to use him in
And in fairness Griff I can remember one poster (possibly LMB or filmoss) not being too chuffed with it though. Somet along the lines of whenever they’ve seen him he’d looked too fat, slow & immobileI didn’t make any comment about Coyle’s appointment although I felt underwhelmed by him being given the job and felt it showed little flair or ambition by the club, at the same time realising I was probably wrong and he was what we needed in the short term, so like most others was prepared to give him the benefit of doubt.
To be honest at first I thought he got things right, he made the right noises, I felt his signings, including Holt, were just what we needed, even in the early games I thought things were good, he seemed to be able to turn games round when they were not going right, once this new team jelled we would do well.
A few games into his tenure a few things became obvious, the senior players who had come down from the premier league were poor and underperforming, we looked jaded and devoid of ideas during games, our thinking and play were much too slow in this new league, some of the long throw in, long ball stuff was just awful, and the problem was it was getting worse every game not better, teams that we should have been steam rolling were out playing us, things were not good.
To his credit Mr. Whelan saw it the same way and acted swiftly to get rid of Coyle.
Now the worrying thing for me, something that will probably bring out the howls of derision often aimed at my views, is I think we have jumped out of the frying pan into the fire.
I feel exactly the same about the appointment of Uwe Rosler, I just don’t get it, his CV has nothing on it that gives cause for great optimism, his team selections and tinkering have been baffling so far and our play has not improved we are still slow and lethargic going forward and we don’t create any goal scoring opportunities.
The most baffling thing for me though is the way he has been accepted by WAFC fans, with most message board pundits telling us how he will get it right and he is the man for the job, is this a backlash from the relief of getting rid of Coyle, who if we are being honest never really stood a chance with many for simply daring to manage Bolton in the past and bringing in a ex Bolton legend as part of his backroom staff or is there more to it than that.
I don’t think that it was a knee jerk appointment atall & I think that Griff is right. he must have interviewed well. really f**kin well – said all the right things & impressed Whelan with his transfer targets (according to one journalist that is where McClaren fell short).
What baffled me though was how someone as astute as Whelan didn’t appear to do any research on Coyle. You could have pulled any Bolton fan off the street & they could have told him the horror stories that were coming from that club for quite some time before they got relegated & up until his sacking. Admittedly most of these would have come from “someone who knows someone who knows someone who fixes the plumbing at their training ground” but with his contacts in the game surely even couple of discreet words with such contacts would have uncovered some facts that would have set alarm bells ringing.
As it happens, to the outsider looking in, it just appeared that Whelan bought hook, line & sinker into Coyle’s “it was the injuries that done me” excuse. It didn’t take long for some of the exact same stories you heard about his Bolton days to start emerging from Latics camp & for my money it could have easily been avoided.
Maybe he did seek people’s opinions & maybe they came back positive (I’ve given good reference to people I couldn’t wait to see the back of in work) or maybe he asked, got bad feedback & thought he knew better. Who knows?Personally I thought it was a $h!te appointment & nothing I saw gave me any reason to think otherwise. His team selections were baffing, his tactics were garbage & he clearly had no idea how best to utilise the more skillful members of the squad like Maloney & McManaman.
As for his signings – some were good, some were crap & some were average. I thought Holt was a good signing but I wouldn’t have thought that if I’d know the position he was going to use him in
And in fairness Griff I can remember one poster (possibly LMB or filmoss) not being too chuffed with it though. Somet along the lines of whenever they’ve seen him he’d looked too fat, slow & immobileI didn’t make any comment about Coyle’s appointment although I felt underwhelmed by him being given the job and felt it showed little flair or ambition by the club, at the same time realising I was probably wrong and he was what we needed in the short term, so like most others was prepared to give him the benefit of doubt.
To be honest at first I thought he got things right, he made the right noises, I felt his signings, including Holt, were just what we needed, even in the early games I thought things were good, he seemed to be able to turn games round when they were not going right, once this new team jelled we would do well.
A few games into his tenure a few things became obvious, the senior players who had come down from the premier league were poor and underperforming, we looked jaded and devoid of ideas during games, our thinking and play were much too slow in this new league, some of the long throw in, long ball stuff was just awful, and the problem was it was getting worse every game not better, teams that we should have been steam rolling were out playing us, things were not good.
To his credit Mr. Whelan saw it the same way and acted swiftly to get rid of Coyle.
Now the worrying thing for me, something that will probably bring out the howls of derision often aimed at my views, is I think we have jumped out of the frying pan into the fire.
I feel exactly the same about the appointment of Uwe Rosler, I just don’t get it, his CV has nothing on it that gives cause for great optimism, his team selections and tinkering have been baffling so far and our play has not improved we are still slow and lethargic going forward and we don’t create any goal scoring opportunities.
The most baffling thing for me though is the way he has been accepted by WAFC fans, with most message board pundits telling us how he will get it right and he is the man for the job, is this a backlash from the relief of getting rid of Coyle, who if we are being honest never really stood a chance with many for simply daring to manage Bolton in the past and bringing in a ex Bolton legend as part of his backroom staff or is there more to it than that.[/quote]
That’s a great post, LMB. I almost agree with you 100%.
I think we only differ in that I was happy with the appointment of Rosler. I thought – though I admit I had little evidence to support it – that he was one of the new breed of managers, hungry and with new ideas whereas I thought that Coyle was a bit of an under-performing journeyman.
I think the signs are already there that he can get this squad playing much better and getting better results than it did under Coyle. However, the constant team changes and the odd worryingly poor performance suggest he is no Martinez just yet! ;)
As with Coyle though, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. Very early days yet.
Fking hell griff can you get your missus to feel your forehead to see if you have a temperature, I am sure you cant be well ! :ohmy:
Jesus wept, not only has Uwe turned things around on the pitch he has got griff and LMB agreeing. Hail the mesiah ;)
i sort of agree with you lmb and its right to say things out loud what other people are thinking. but i also takes griffs point as well i think that dw looked at rosler and saw a progressive young manager in the making. i can see this as you said about senior players becoming stiff and slow and that was because of coyle what we now have is increased fitness levels, asnt he brought in his previous sports fitness trainer to make sure everyone has there own fitness regime. i also think that he is tinkering as people say because he wants to know who is good and who isnt, i think someone mentioned this earlier. he as restricted his buying in january so he can have more in the summer to make a proper fit team ready for the premiership. coyles fitness regime was to play ping pong with them and play 5 a side with them instead of proper coaching. i think he has good potential and them that cant see it dont want to.
Fking hell griff can you get your missus to feel your forehead to see if you have a temperature, I am sure you cant be well ! :ohmy:Sadly, I can’t get her to feel anything, these days. :(
Anyway, new leaf. Sensible conversations with sensible people/posts only from now on.
Knobheads and knobhead comments, will just be ignored. It’ll be tough, but if I can go a whole month without drinking, I can resist the temptation to waste my time with people that really aren’t worth it. :)
Besides, the ridiculous comments fill up the empty space.
If you take them all away, there isn’t a lot of conversation left.
I’m sure someone could tell me formation we employed at Huddersfield. Was it 4-4-2 this week, something like this?
Al-Habsi
Perch Boyce Barnett Crainey
McArthur Watson Gómez Beausejour
Waghorn FortunéBesides, the ridiculous comments fill up the empty space.If you take them all away, there isn’t a lot of conversation left.
I’m sure someone could tell me formation we employed at Huddersfield. Was it 4-4-2 this week, something like this?
Al-Habsi
Perch Boyce Barnett Crainey
McArthur Watson Gómez Beausejour
Waghorn FortunéYes sort of, but Waghorn was deployed wide right for most of the first half and surprisingly Jimmy Mac seemed to play in the hole. Gomez who for me was MOTM again, seemed to have a roving role.
I would deffo not play Gomez and Watson in the same team, it needs to be one of them plus Chris Mac. The nod from me would be Gomez at the moment, he seems more consistent than Watson. Once the lad from Chelsea is fully match fit he may be pushing for that creative role.
I saw enough from Waghorn to think he may come good, by far the better prospect than Maynard.
When Powell is fit it will be interesting to see where Rosler plays him.
From Matlock to ManU
What a journey!As we all like talking about previous managers until the cows come home I was wondering what peoples opinions were on the following?Coyles Europa exploits?
Coyles Signings?
Coyles general managerial capabilities?
Personally for me I think Coyle destroyed what was a great opportunity for us going into Europe for the first (and quite possible the last) time.
I thought the opposition was poor not even up to championship standard and was bemused by professional and personal opinions of us doing well against these so called great teams.
In summary I thought we were shite and if we were playing the football we are now under Rosler we would of pissed that group with ease!
Signings have been hit and miss for me.
The most worrying part is that now we have removed Holt from the wage books there is suddenly a gap for 4 players to slot into the wage budget albeit on loan…. How much was he on? I don’t put too
much blame on Coyle for signing him he was a proven goal scorer at every level but it was clear why Norwich let him go from day 1 when it looked like was running in quick sand.His legs had gone which I suspect Norwich had noticed before deciding to sell their fan favourite.
As for Coyles overall managerial stint with Wigan…
Under performing in the league, terrible dress sense and a tactical approach that was a hundred miles away from the attractive attacking football he promised us from day 1 cam pm;y ne described as a shambles.
I think he will have to drop down the leagues to get another chance and I understand why.
Was not best impressed when he got the job, but got behind him non the less. Glad whelan took the decisive action when he did! If he does get another job then I pity the fans of that said club.
European exploits, still can’t believe we finished bottom of that group? Gutted, would have loved a trip to Seville.
Onwards & upwards, hopefully?
Thank you, JR!
Then perhaps it was a little more like this, accepting that formations are flexible;
Al-Habsi
Perch Boyce Barnett Crainey
Waghorn Watson Gómez Beausejour
McArthur
FortunéIt certainly seems a little eccentric. Let’s assume it’s a temporary solution to the absence of Powell.
On Tuesday, it’s away to Wednesday. They are on a good run, unbeaten for eleven games. But they were lucky on Saturday, playing against ten men for eighty minutes.
Out of interest, on Tuesday, Cardiff are home to Aston Villa in another relegation battle.
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