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This is not as funny as some people make it out to be, indeed I feel it highlights a very important problem within the team. That is one of leadership.
Yes, we do have Boyce (as the longest serving team member) to fill the regular slot but who really is the Captain out there? Who motivates the team? Who has the bottle to encourage (bollock) fellow team members who are not pulling their weight? Who gets the team message from the club to the playing staff? Who has the charisma to lead, guide and motivate?
Oh! and who should decide who takes the feckin penalties instead of “I touched the ball first, it’s mine” attitude? The Captain/Leader should be the one.
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Let Scott Carson have a crackNo. You need someone who can hit the ball hard, rising, angled towards the sidelines.
Oh. Hang on ……… maybe not such a bit idea :huh:
This is not as funny as some people make it out to be, indeed I feel it highlights a very important problem within the team. That is one of leadership.Yes, we do have Boyce (as the longest serving team member) to fill the regular slot but who really is the Captain out there? Who motivates the team? Who has the bottle to encourage (bollock) fellow team members who are not pulling their weight? Who gets the team message from the club to the playing staff? Who has the charisma to lead, guide and motivate?
Oh! and who should decide who takes the feckin penalties instead of “I touched the ball first, it’s mine” attitude? The Captain/Leader should be the one.
Leadership
What has leadership got to do with taking a penalty? You either have the balls/ability to take one or you don’t. The captain telling you to take it even though you hate the pressure is hardly going to inspire you to hit the back of the net is it?
This is not as funny as some people make it out to be, indeed I feel it highlights a very important problem within the team. That is one of leadership.
Yes, we do have Boyce (as the longest serving team member) to fill the regular slot but who really is the Captain out there? Who motivates the team? Who has the bottle to encourage (bollock) fellow team members who are not pulling their weight? Who gets the team message from the club to the playing staff? Who has the charisma to lead, guide and motivate?
Oh! and who should decide who takes the feckin penalties instead of “I touched the ball first, it’s mine” attitude? The Captain/Leader should be the one.
Leadership
What has leadership got to do with taking a penalty? You either have the balls/ability to take one or you don’t. The captain telling you to take it even though you hate the pressure is hardly going to inspire you to hit the back of the net is it?[/quote]
Just because you have the ‘bottle’ to take one does not mean you are best served to do so – that is a rubbish argument. To answer your question about ‘what has leadership got to do with it?’ – It takes a leader to sort out who wants to take it first of all (not the childish grabbing the ball and not letting anyone else get a look in) – I’m sure, as I have seen before on not only penalties but also free kicks, the infighting going on on-field on who gets to take it, there are others just as/more than capable.
Was letting a young defender who has had limited game time recently the best decision – “just because he had the bottle” – from where I was sitting there were a couple of others wanting to step up-to-the mark but no “I’ve got the ball so it’s mine”. Is that the sign of a good leader?
Get it sorted out – the Captain/Leader should know who has the balls/ability and sort it on the pitch – if it transpired that it was only Tavs that wanted it then so be it – but don’t give me this “if you’ve got the bottle” shit.
This is not as funny as some people make it out to be, indeed I feel it highlights a very important problem within the team. That is one of leadership.
Yes, we do have Boyce (as the longest serving team member) to fill the regular slot but who really is the Captain out there? Who motivates the team? Who has the bottle to encourage (bollock) fellow team members who are not pulling their weight? Who gets the team message from the club to the playing staff? Who has the charisma to lead, guide and motivate?
Oh! and who should decide who takes the feckin penalties instead of “I touched the ball first, it’s mine” attitude? The Captain/Leader should be the one.
Leadership
What has leadership got to do with taking a penalty? You either have the balls/ability to take one or you don’t. The captain telling you to take it even though you hate the pressure is hardly going to inspire you to hit the back of the net is it?[/quote]
Just because you have the ‘bottle’ to take one does not mean you are best served to do so – that is a rubbish argument. To answer your question about ‘what has leadership got to do with it?’ – It takes a leader to sort out who wants to take it first of all (not the childish grabbing the ball and not letting anyone else get a look in) – I’m sure, as I have seen before on not only penalties but also free kicks, the infighting going on on-field on who gets to take it, there are others just as/more than capable.
Was letting a young defender who has had limited game time recently the best decision – “just because he had the bottle” – from where I was sitting there were a couple of others wanting to step up-to-the mark but no “I’ve got the ball so it’s mine”. Is that the sign of a good leader?
Get it sorted out – the Captain/Leader should know who has the balls/ability and sort it on the pitch – if it transpired that it was only Tavs that wanted it then so be it – but don’t give me this “if you’ve got the bottle” shit.[/quote]
I understand that point, but the fact is though that you need to have the bottle to take a penalty. It’s just that sort of situation.
Let’s say that in training Marc Antoine-Fortune scores every time he takes one yet put him in a match environment and he misses every time because he always falls for the mind games of the goalkeeper or lets the crowd noise get to him (see the England football team). Technically he could be the best penalty taker we have but simply may not want to take it.
The captain or whoever saying ‘Marc is taking it because he scores every time in training’ is absolutely no use whatsoever.
Yes if say Shaun Maloney (or another known penalty taker) is on and Tavernier decides he is taking it then the Captain should say sorry but Shaun is our penalty taker end of (which I’ve seen happen), but if there is no stand out candidate which obviously there isn’t then whoever “fancies it” as they say is far better equipped to take it than whoever the Captain decides.
I understand that point, but the fact is though that you need to have the bottle to take a penalty. It’s just that sort of situation.Let’s say that in training Marc Antoine-Fortune scores every time he takes one yet put him in a match environment and he misses every time because he always falls for the mind games of the goalkeeper or lets the crowd noise get to him (see the England football team). Technically he could be the best penalty taker we have but simply may not want to take it.
The captain or whoever saying ‘Marc is taking it because he scores every time in training’ is absolutely no use whatsoever.
Yes if say Shaun Maloney (or another known penalty taker) is on and Tavernier decides he is taking it then the Captain should say sorry but Shaun is our penalty taker end of (which I’ve seen happen), but if there is no stand out candidate which obviously there isn’t then whoever “fancies it” as they say is far better equipped to take it than whoever the Captain decides.
I think you are over focusing on the penalty situation and not looking at the broader aspect of what I posted earlier. I agree with your analogy about Marc knocking them in for fun then not having it at the game – but in that scenario he wouldn’t put himself forward to take one – would he? What I’m saying is that the Captain should take a look at who has made themselves available, in that situation, and take the decision and not let someone just get on with it because he has the ball and has the bottle – he should weigh up all his options (indeed a good leader would never force a team member to do something outside of his/her comfort zone – that’s leadership). As I said earlier, I saw others motioning their willingness to take that penalty but no, Tavs had the ball and no-one made the leadership call.
Now then, back to what I was saying earlier – what we lack on the field, in my opinion, is someone who has those qualities to encourage, motivate, guide and lead on the field – as well as take the tough decisions on who takes a penalty or a free kick. Mixing and matching the Captain on a game-by-game basis is not sending out the right message to the players who should look to a leader for inspiration and leadership on the pitch.
That was my point
I saw others motioning their willingness to take that penalty but no, Tavs had the ball and no-one made the leadership call.Ah. I get ya! So basically there were a few players who WANTED to take the kick but it was a case of ‘it’s my ball I’m taking it’ in which case you’re right someone should have stepped in if they felt there were better players wanting the kick. Who knows, maybe there wasn’t.
what we lack on the field, in my opinion, is someone who has those qualities to encourage, motivate, guide and lead on the field – as well as take the tough decisions on who takes a penalty or a free kick. Mixing and matching the Captain on a game-by-game basis is not sending out the right message to the players who should look to a leader for inspiration and leadership on the pitch.Gary Caldwell and Boycie are the only two we have IMHO.
Nothing to do with the captain. It should be pre-determined by the manager and coaching staff who will take penalties. Only if that person has been substituted, sent off or reduced to a jibbering wreck by something strange, need that decision change.
I always think that a forward should take them, their forte is or should be scoring goals. I was screaming for Delort to take that at Blackburn. Get him off the mark and get his confidence right from day 1. No pro should miss from 12 yards but when you see our players practicing the one two and shoot in the pre game warm up, the strike rate is about 15%.
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What a journey!Nothing to do with the captain. It should be pre-determined by the manager and coaching staff who will take penalties. Only if that person has been substituted, sent off or reduced to a jibbering wreck by something strange, need that decision change.I refer the honourable gentleman to the bit in my first post:
“Who gets the team message from the club to the playing staff?”
Call me old fashioned but that should be the Captain.
Nothing to do with the captain. It should be pre-determined by the manager and coaching staff who will take penalties. Only if that person has been substituted, sent off or reduced to a jibbering wreck by something strange, need that decision change.
I refer the honourable gentleman to the bit in my first post:
“Who gets the team message from the club to the playing staff?”
Call me old fashioned but that should be the Captain.[/quote]
OK then, you’re old fashioned. ;)
The managercoach gets the ‘club’ message to the playing staff. Who else? The captain is just one member of that playing staff.
Nothing to do with the captain. It should be pre-determined by the manager and coaching staff who will take penalties. Only if that person has been substituted, sent off or reduced to a jibbering wreck by something strange, need that decision change.
I refer the honourable gentleman to the bit in my first post:
“Who gets the team message from the club to the playing staff?”
Call me old fashioned but that should be the Captain.[/quote]
OK then, you’re old fashioned. ;)
The managercoach gets the ‘club’ message to the playing staff. Who else? The captain is just one member of that playing staff.[/quote]
The day I see Uwe running on to the pitch to sort out problems the Captain should be sorting is the day I stand side by side with that bloke in the Brick baring my arse.
Please do not undermine the role and responsibilities of the Captain (Club or Match). He is the go between for the manager and players and there to convey those policies on the field – and take those decisions you mentioned above.
Nothing to do with the captain. It should be pre-determined by the manager and coaching staff who will take penalties. Only if that person has been substituted, sent off or reduced to a jibbering wreck by something strange, need that decision change.
I refer the honourable gentleman to the bit in my first post:
“Who gets the team message from the club to the playing staff?”
Call me old fashioned but that should be the Captain.[/quote]
OK then, you’re old fashioned. ;)
The managercoach gets the ‘club’ message to the playing staff. Who else? The captain is just one member of that playing staff.[/quote]
The day I see Uwe running on to the pitch to sort out problems the Captain should be sorting is the day I stand side by side with that bloke in the Brick baring my arse.
Please do not undermine the role and responsibilities of the Captain (Club or Match). He is the go between for the manager and players and there to convey those policies on the field – and take those decisions you mentioned above.[/quote]
I wasn’t (but if I want to, I will ;) ). You seriously think that in 6 days on the training ground running up to a match, a manager can’t decide who his penalty taker should be?
And you think that those managers who stand there yelling orders from their technical area only talk to the captain and get him to pass it on? You maybe OVER-estimating the role in the modern game.
I think in a straight race for the next manager’s job, Horc has got you beat hands down.
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