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    Tez HTerry Hill
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      I can’t believe some are claiming Bournemouth are ordinary or we allowed them to play by not getting stuck in or closing them down, we have played them twice this season and lost both but they have won on 15 other occasions scoring 57 goals against teams other than us, are people suggesting that all the other teams stood off them.

      Bournemouth played the perfect game yesterday, their passing and movement was superb, on most occasions every player in there side when the ball was at his feet had three options of what to do with the ball, they defended brilliantly and closed the game down when we threatened in the second half, on many occasions in the first half their movement left our fullbacks especially Herd in a two on one position, they were clinical when the luck came their way and nasty when needed – ie. turning 50-50 tackles or minor fouls by us to their advantage by fooling the referee they were more serious.

      What they had in abundance was desire, exemplified by how they ridiculously played the ball out from a drop ball in the 90th minute and then pushed up on us to stop us playing the resultant throw-in back into play easily, poor sportsmanship? definitely, but very professional and clinical, many may say they don’t like that, but by heck I bet there aren’t many Latic’s fan who wouldn’t trade what they have and did for what we have.

      I said similar things to those around me, when they were being ‘professional’. Most were having a go, I was thinking I wish we were like them, like how we used to be. Fair play to Bournemouth, no stars, no megabucks, plenty of desire and professionalism. Like I said they didn’t really get out of 2nd gear and soon saw of our threat at 3-1 and closed the game down.

      Also, have you seen the difference it makes when a team closes down, both on and off the field? We do it for probably 5-10 minutes per game but the crowd go up, the opposition look uncomfortable and we look like a team again. Are we unfit?

      #139290
      MR BrownbillMR Brownbill
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        How is it some folks just can’t admire quality when they see it.Bournemouth WERE superb and the the fact they are top with the best goal difference isn’t a fluke.Superb movement,accurate passing and always someone available is a credit to the manager and staff.We are a million miles away from the standard they set as far as quality goes .Our only hope is to dig deep and try and scrap our way out of this mess but we need to sign a creative midfield player or two on loan and even then it is now a mammoth task to avoid the drop.

        #139291

        We used to have a quality creative midfielder but he was forever booed & jeered by his own supporters.

        #139292
        Tez HTerry Hill
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          How is it some folks just can’t admire quality when they see it.Bournemouth WERE superb and the the fact they are top with the best goal difference isn’t a fluke.Superb movement,accurate passing and always someone available is a credit to the manager and staff.We are a million miles away from the standard they set as far as quality goes .Our only hope is to dig deep and try and scrap our way out of this mess but we need to sign a creative midfield player or two on loan and even then it is now a mammoth task to avoid the drop.

          I can’t see anyone not admiring Bournemouth? Proper team.

          You were admiring us before a ball had been kicked on your Day 1 post. At least you got 3-1 right, even if it was the wrong way.

          #139293
          SammySammy
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            Bournemouth were good as befits their league position but I didn’t think they were anything special and certainly no better than Middlesbrough, except for possessing a striker who scored two goals from the three chances he had.

            The first goal was offside, the second rank bad decision making plus our keeper being beaten on his near post and the third a repeat of what had been attempted 30 seconds earlier. In other words, rank bad defending.

            If that near post chance had gone in at 1-3 it would have made for an interesting last 25 minutes which would have been a better test of how good Bournemouth are.

            #139295
            Fair play to Bournemouth …. no megabucks

            There’s nowt wrong with it, but Bournemouth have plenty of megabucks which is why they’ve jumped from where they were to where they are now. Their backer has the kind of wealth that allows him to buy a mansion for £5mill, demolish it & then build another in its place.

            Aside from that they’ve spent money wisely and have some good players. Their movement off the ball was good and they were very professional even if some of the stuff (such as booting the ball away from the drop ball & their no. 2 running 40-50 yards to get involved in every spat or berate the ref to caution our players) wasn’t nice for us to watch.

            Ultimately though for all their possession (& I believe a large chunk of that comes from what appears to be Mackay’s deliberate tactic of the midfield sitting so deep that they’re almost on top of their own defenders coz it happens every game), they scored from a really poor piece of officiating, a really poor piece of play from McCann & some schoolboy defending from Barnett. I can only really remember the sitter Wilson missed in the 2nd half & a good save from Al Habsi in the 1st (when it was 0-0) as clear cut chances. In between those poor bits of refereeing & defending I never felt that Latics were under much threat & the sense of trepidation when Bournemouth had the ball in Latics half came about coz of how poor I knew Latics defending is
            They had less total shots than Latics & one more on target. What they were was clinical

            I felt that when Latics injected a bit more oompf into their play & closed Bournemouth down & moved forward at pace (both at the start of the game & that period after Latics scored) they looked average, vulnerable & rattled. Their professionalism came to the fore in that latter period coz they started to break the game up very well with feigning injury, delaying tactics etc.. & it took the wind out of Latics sails coupled with the save from Ridgewell’s header & the sitter McKay or Clarke missed

            #139298
            cup winnerscup winners
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              Cant believe your calling kvist he is to good for us he is a top player and very rarely gives the ball away

              Really ? I think you should watch the game or the at the least the TV highlights, his fairy arse jump for knockdown header challenge was to blame for the 3rd and McCann doing his strictly come prancing for the 2nd.

              He might be ok at holding the onto the ball granted but then passing and winning the ball back ? he is utter dog turd.

              If your midfield is crap it just means the defence are under always under the cosh and the forwards get nothing

              #139299
              Tez HTerry Hill
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                He’s the best we’ve got at breaking up play, being calm on the ball, keeping and passing it. He’s everything Don Cowie isn’t but is supposed to be.

                McCann is normally decent but he’s gone these last couple of games, not sure if it’s confidence or what but our better players seem to all end up suffering from it. Maybe it’s Don Cow Disease.

                We’re desperate for an injection of something as at the minute it’s all being given up far too tamely.

                #139300
                Really ? I think you should watch the game or the at the least the TV highlights, his fairy arse jump for knockdown header challenge was to blame for the 3rd and McCann doing his strictly come prancing for the 2nd

                What???
                I’d suggest that you watch the highlights again if you think Kvist was to blame for either of those goals.
                For the second he slides in to prevent Wilson getting hold of the ball on the edge of the penalty area. At the time he receives the ball, McCann doesn’t have a Bournemouth player within 3 yards of him and has the opportunity to play a first time ball to either Kim or McClean. His first mistake is not doing that & he then compounds that by inexplicably trying to drag the ball back & turn back on himself. In no way shape or form was Kvist at fault for that goal – his only involvement was winning a good challenge which not only prevented Bournemouth’s top scorer getting hold of the ball but also played it out to a Latics player who had the opportunity to start a counter attack. McCann’s lack of awareness of what was going on around him both in an attacking & defending sense was where the blame lies

                As for the 3rd, yes he’s beaten in the air & possibly should be stronger in that challenge but that is always hard to do when the opposition player has forward momentum whilst you’re trying to hold a more stationary position. Even after he loses that challenge Ridgewell than rushes in & gets far too close to Wilson followed by Barnett allowing himself to be too easily brushed aside once Wilson had flicked it on

                #139301
                SammySammy
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                  Cant believe your calling kvist he is to good for us he is a top player and very rarely gives the ball away

                  Really ? I think you should watch the game or the at the least the TV highlights, his fairy arse jump for knockdown header challenge was to blame for the 3rd and McCann doing his strictly come prancing for the 2nd.

                  He might be ok at holding the onto the ball granted but then passing and winning the ball back ? he is utter dog turd.

                  If your midfield is crap it just means the defence are under always under the cosh and the forwards get nothing[/quote]

                  If you are going to single out any player for not being good enough William Kvist should be last on the list.

                  #139302

                  To be fair to Malky a lot of his problems have been down to what he was left with and him not having enough time to rectify it. He inherited a squad who were either out of contract and who were never going to stay or players not good enough or sulking. The quality we need to compete is going to take time to put into place but the guy will simply not have it this season. He has replaced a lot of the problems with new signings but we are in a situation where he has not enough time for them to gel together as a team. Dont write the guy off as a loser coz it is unfair to blame him for mistakes made by others. He will need next season to sort out the mess we are in.

                  #139303
                  Tez HTerry Hill
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                    Sorry Nuneaton, with as much positivity in the world Malky McKay can’t be blameless in our sorry record under him, no matter who else you want to blame.

                    I was told let him have his window to bring his players in, now you’re saying let him have till summer and have that transfer window too. Wow that is some faith in a man who has 1 lucky win up to now.

                    #139305
                    Sorry Nuneaton, with as much positivity in the world Malky McKay can’t be blameless in our sorry record under him, no matter who else you want to blame.

                    I was told let him have his window to bring his players in, now you’re saying let him have till summer and have that transfer window too. Wow that is some faith in a man who has 1 lucky win up to now.

                    Tez, no matter what level you are playing at you cannot bring in new faces and expect them to be a team immediately. Whoever manages the side at present is going to need enough time to turn this mess around. Keep blaming and changing the manager is not going to get the job done. If we see improvement between now and April then he is working albeit we are still going to go down in all probabillity. Malky did not let so many players contracts run out together which has been a major contribution to our current state.

                    #139307
                    filmossfilmoss
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                      But when we go down do the Championship quality players want to leave? Will it be back to the drawing board? I believe that a half decent manager could have done better than what MM has achieved so far in his time here, even taking into consideration the situation which really does highlight the shortcomings of the two before him doesn’t it! I saw and accepted those failings even if some on here didn’t or simply just didn’t want to believe it! The buck stops with the chairman here, like I said on another thread my Gran used to say ” You buy cheap, you buy twice” and she was right!

                      #139312

                      Really ? I think you should watch the game or the at the least the TV highlights, his fairy arse jump for knockdown header challenge was to blame for the 3rd and McCann doing his strictly come prancing for the 2nd

                      What???
                      I’d suggest that you watch the highlights again if you think Kvist was to blame for either of those goals.
                      For the second he slides in to prevent Wilson getting hold of the ball on the edge of the penalty area. At the time he receives the ball, McCann doesn’t have a Bournemouth player within 3 yards of him and has the opportunity to play a first time ball to either Kim or McClean. His first mistake is not doing that & he then compounds that by inexplicably trying to drag the ball back & turn back on himself. In no way shape or form was Kvist at fault for that goal – his only involvement was winning a good challenge which not only prevented Bournemouth’s top scorer getting hold of the ball but also played it out to a Latics player who had the opportunity to start a counter attack. McCann’s lack of awareness of what was going on around him both in an attacking & defending sense was where the blame lies

                      As for the 3rd, yes he’s beaten in the air & possibly should be stronger in that challenge but that is always hard to do when the opposition player has forward momentum whilst you’re trying to hold a more stationary position. Even after he loses that challenge Ridgewell than rushes in & gets far too close to Wilson followed by Barnett allowing himself to be too easily brushed aside once Wilson had flicked it on[/quote]

                      That’s all well and good but, how else was cup winners going to get his ‘strictly come prancing’ pun into the post. Poor lad must have been sat up all night sweating and hoping that nobody else gets to use it before he had the opportunity.

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