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    loudmouthbluedamian walker
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    Looks like we have a new scapegoat in Forshaw.

    Didn’t think he was all that bad, to be fair. He’s not likely to shine much playing in a defensive two, particularly when his partner, McCann, is a player with a tendency to get friend a bit more. That means he has to sit and do all the boring stuff that nobody appreciates.

    Still, what do I know… I’m the only one who can’t see Espinoza’s nailed on £20m move to Chelsea coming off in January.

    In the same respect, not many can see what Forshaw has done to justify a £4m move to WAFC, my main problem with Forshaw, which has nothing whatsoever to do with what role he fills in the team, is his passing ability which is dire for a player who came to us with some sort of reputation.

    After your protestations about Espinoza’s ability how can you then accuse others of making Forshaw the “new scapegoat”, Espinoza came to us on a free transfer is one of the lower paid members of the premier league squad still with us, has some faults, but has always given his all and brought much more to the table than in his time with us than any of Rosler’s signings have done to date including Forshaw.

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    To be fair, with McCann now back and Watson nearly ready for a starting position I think Roger will be back on the bench at best.

    Many claim, with a great deal of justification, that Roberto Martinez is the best ever WAFC manager, many have used Martinez as a stick to beat Roger Espinoza claiming that he didn’t rate him and only played him because of a dire injury list.

    Now horc you make a statement that Espinoza “will be back on the bench at best” now McCann and Watson are back.

    Can I ask if that is the same Watson who was always a bit part player under Martinez, who was sent out on loan twice because he wasn’t good enough, who never played one league game for us game for us in the 2009/10 season until he was recalled from WBA on April 1st 2010 because of our then injury crisis.

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    thty5yearswafctrevor hoy
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    If he’s that good Roger how many times have other teams come in to take him on loan obviously not many

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    If he’s that good Roger how many times have other teams come in to take him on loan obviously not many

    How do you know none have Anthony, perhaps another club may have and the previous managers felt he had a role within the squad.

    Kansas want Espinoza back, as far as I know they haven’t asked to take any of our other players on loan, especially the ones Rosler signed but didn’t rate enough to play them, perhaps they think Espinoza is better than they are.

    Whether any of my stupid speculation is true or not, it is as legitimate as your claptrap.

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    Anthony you buffoon my name aint Anthony :silly: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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    Anthony you buffoon my name aint Anthony :silly: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Well Tony then if you prefer that.

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    Looks like we have a new scapegoat in Forshaw.

    Didn’t think he was all that bad, to be fair. He’s not likely to shine much playing in a defensive two, particularly when his partner, McCann, is a player with a tendency to get friend a bit more. That means he has to sit and do all the boring stuff that nobody appreciates.

    Still, what do I know… I’m the only one who can’t see Espinoza’s nailed on £20m move to Chelsea coming off in January.

    In the same respect, not many can see what Forshaw has done to justify a £4m move to WAFC, my main problem with Forshaw, which has nothing whatsoever to do with what role he fills in the team, is his passing ability which is dire for a player who came to us with some sort of reputation.

    After your protestations about Espinoza’s ability how can you then accuse others of making Forshaw the “new scapegoat”, Espinoza came to us on a free transfer is one of the lower paid members of the premier league squad still with us, has some faults, but has always given his all and brought much more to the table than in his time with us than any of Rosler’s signings have done to date including Forshaw.[/quote]

    Do you even know what scapegoat means, or are you just twisting things again to suit an argument you want to start?

    I have never said that Espinoza is the cause of all our problems (or scapegoat) just that I don’t think he is anywhere near as good as lots of people seem to make out.

    As for Forshaw, I am not convinced yet about him yet, either. But I think he shows some promise in that holding position. I don’t recall his ball retention and distribution being anwyere near as bad as Espinoza’s on Saturday but I wasn’t watching him as closely as I was watching the whirling dervish.

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    Looks like we have a new scapegoat in Forshaw.

    Didn’t think he was all that bad, to be fair. He’s not likely to shine much playing in a defensive two, particularly when his partner, McCann, is a player with a tendency to get friend a bit more. That means he has to sit and do all the boring stuff that nobody appreciates.

    Still, what do I know… I’m the only one who can’t see Espinoza’s nailed on £20m move to Chelsea coming off in January.

    In the same respect, not many can see what Forshaw has done to justify a £4m move to WAFC, my main problem with Forshaw, which has nothing whatsoever to do with what role he fills in the team, is his passing ability which is dire for a player who came to us with some sort of reputation.

    After your protestations about Espinoza’s ability how can you then accuse others of making Forshaw the “new scapegoat”, Espinoza came to us on a free transfer is one of the lower paid members of the premier league squad still with us, has some faults, but has always given his all and brought much more to the table than in his time with us than any of Rosler’s signings have done to date including Forshaw.[/quote]

    Do you even know what scapegoat means, or are you just twisting things again to suit an argument you want to start?

    I have never said that Espinoza is the cause of all our problems (or scapegoat) just that I don’t think he is anywhere near as good as lots of people seem to make out.

    As for Forshaw, I am not convinced yet about him yet, either. But I think he shows some promise in that holding position. I don’t recall his ball retention and distribution being anwyere near as bad as Espinoza’s on Saturday but I wasn’t watching him as closely as I was watching the whirling dervish.[/quote]

    Twisting, wanting to start an argument and accusations of not knowing what a word means, why do you turn everything nasty, I was perfectly polite in my response to you but you can’t deal with any disagreement to your opinion.

    Every man and his dog knows Espinoza’s faults, but many also see the positives within what he does, if he was perfect he would not be playing for us in the first place, a team is made up of differing elements, and he does have something to offer, his passing on Saturday was poor but only as bad as Roslers marquee signing who cost 4 million quid, he also created a sitter for ‘the real waste of space in our team’ Fortune to sky high and wide, he also was the person who instigated our other main chance that McCann could not convert, but you fail to acknowledge that choosing to rant about his negatives and that is the reason I find your scapegoat description of Forshaw rather strange.

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    Looks like we have a new scapegoat in Forshaw.

    Didn’t think he was all that bad, to be fair. He’s not likely to shine much playing in a defensive two, particularly when his partner, McCann, is a player with a tendency to get friend a bit more. That means he has to sit and do all the boring stuff that nobody appreciates.

    Still, what do I know… I’m the only one who can’t see Espinoza’s nailed on £20m move to Chelsea coming off in January.

    In the same respect, not many can see what Forshaw has done to justify a £4m move to WAFC, my main problem with Forshaw, which has nothing whatsoever to do with what role he fills in the team, is his passing ability which is dire for a player who came to us with some sort of reputation.

    After your protestations about Espinoza’s ability how can you then accuse others of making Forshaw the “new scapegoat”, Espinoza came to us on a free transfer is one of the lower paid members of the premier league squad still with us, has some faults, but has always given his all and brought much more to the table than in his time with us than any of Rosler’s signings have done to date including Forshaw.[/quote]

    Do you even know what scapegoat means, or are you just twisting things again to suit an argument you want to start?

    I have never said that Espinoza is the cause of all our problems (or scapegoat) just that I don’t think he is anywhere near as good as lots of people seem to make out.

    As for Forshaw, I am not convinced yet about him yet, either. But I think he shows some promise in that holding position. I don’t recall his ball retention and distribution being anwyere near as bad as Espinoza’s on Saturday but I wasn’t watching him as closely as I was watching the whirling dervish.[/quote]

    Twisting, wanting to start an argument and accusations of not knowing what a word means, why do you turn everything nasty, I was perfectly polite in my response to you but you can’t deal with any disagreement to your opinion.

    Every man and his dog knows Espinoza’s faults, but many also see the positives within what he does, if he was perfect he would not be playing for us in the first place, a team is made up of differing elements, and he does have something to offer, his passing on Saturday was poor but only as bad as Roslers marquee signing who cost 4 million quid, he also created a sitter for ‘the real waste of space in our team’ Fortune to sky high and wide, he also was the person who instigated our other main chance that McCann could not convert, but you fail to acknowledge that choosing to rant about his negatives and that is the reason I find your scapegoat description of Forshaw rather strange.[/quote]

    I wasn’t turning it nasty at all, and nothing in my post suggests it. So stop trying to be deliberately argumentative, That may sound rich coming from me but I’m not going to be goaded into ridiculous arguments with you any more. Far better thins to do.

    Every man and his dog knows Espinoza’s faults

    But they don’t do they, that was percisely my point?!! The East Stand massive, and some other deluded individuals, think he’s an absolute world beater which is patently not true.

    Yes, he created “a” chance for Fortune. He was playing in the hole, the creative role between the defensive midfielders, thw two wider midfielders and the striker. I’d like to think that he created more than ‘a’ chance. You can bet your life Jordi would have done.

    Finally, I never said Forshaw was a scapegoat, nor Espinoza, for that matter. I simply said it is clear that the knives are out for Forshaw him and that OTHERS are making him a scapegoat. But again, facts, story, in the way and all that, eh?.

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    Forshaw does appear to be taking a while to come to the boil so to speak! A £4m price tag does look a little exorbitant with hindsight or did Rosler buy him off Brentford as a sort of apology! B) The Brentford midfield made him look like a Sunday League player when they cam to town! :ohmy:

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