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What are your views on the Safe Standing Issue, would you like to see it at the DW Stadium??
The lads and lasses up in ES1 & 2 are already creating this sort of area without rail seating, so would it be a natural transition or are you firmly against it?Shrewbury have just gone for crowdfunding (click here) to trial it at their stadium, Scotland are behind it with Celtic have a huge area for standing and a number of PL and EFL Clubs are already backing the proposal.
So far around a quarter of Clubs have been surveyed and all were in favour of an area of rail seating.
For the Club to be bothered, fans must first ask for it, so here we can gauge a little towards the feelings of Latics Supporters.
FA Cup Winners 2013, sounds good that
I see both sides, the ‘another Hillsborough’ one and the ‘we stand anyway so may as well’.
Truth is, clubs that have already converted their stadiums to all seater are not going to be rushing to make them standing.
Personally, I stand through the game and think it would be good to have somewhere to stand where I would’t be bugging those that want to sit, though saying that, I also don’t want to be dictated to where I am in the stadium for home games, catch 22Away a lot, but always watching
I once suffered ankle ligament damage at Springy and ended up leaving in an ambulance after a surge and me being pushed down the steps. Funnily enough I’ve never left the DW injured after a game. Also I fear that if standing became prevalent again at stadia country wide it could see a return to the bad old days of violence and racial abuse. It is so much easier to identify someone in a specific seat and has seen the game become more civilised. I’m against it obviously.
The safe standing system Jayt is on about is a rail system, this means that you have an area with a rail in front of you and behind you. Everyone on the same level can move side to side, but not forward or backwards.
The surge that you speak of, crushing or risk of falling is virtually non existent, possibly less than seating as getting past people doesn’t involve much.
I have left several stadia with damaged legs, scuffed calfs and heavily bruised shins due to seats. If a rail system were installed, I’d try it out, I used to lovecstanding at SP.Celtic V Linfield always has the potential to kick off…
I’ve voted against, just.
A proper safe standing area surely is safer than standing in a seating area. But is it really the way forward for football to go back….
I think if the safe standing areas are done correctly there would be no problem with safety at all.
As for trouble being caused, just because you are stood up it doesn’t make you any more inclined to cause trouble as there have been many cases where trouble has flared in seated areas over the years anyway.
This debate is about safety of fans and whether trouble will be more prevalent shouldn’t really come into it as that is a different issue altogether. It would however be looked at when deciding where to situate any standing areas.
In a recent poll on a major Liverpool FC website, there was an overwhelming majority in favour of safe standing areas. This came as a great surprise to me as I thought with all the heartbreak of the Hillsborough tragedy their fans more than any other would have been against it.
I would think it would be quite easy to do at the DW, and it would even be possible to put a safe standing area in the away end to give the opposition fans a choice also.
I am totally in favour of it but probably, being an ageing West Stand season ticket holder I would only use a safe standing area for cup games, friendlies and away matches.
The main issue I have with is whether it would be permitted to have a safe standing area without the seats attached?
Surely attaching seats to the rails just makes it even more expensive and unaffordable for most clubs. Also, if the areas were to be used for seating for certain games, would fans vision be impaired with the rail in front of them?I think this debate will go on for years yet, but I can’t see our old fuddy duddy of an owner even thinking about it anyway.
I have swung it to 5-4 on the against side. I like the nostalgia of the idea and fondly remember standing in the ground with groups of people you have never met before but end up having the banter etc. The smell of cigar smoke from the old chaps wafting up the stand etc but i think the game is just too advanced for it now. I have no issue with the Hillsborough thing, that was just badly policed. I have been to probably about half the grounds in the uk and never seen a ‘crush’ problem. That isn’t an issue. In standing areas it’s easier to throw missiles and go undetected. It’s easier to hide flares, alcohol, cigs etc. I have no objections with cigs and alcohol. I would be more in favour of having a smoking section to be honest in stadiums or adopt the Huddersfield/Barnsley stance on it. Huddersfield let you smoke outside the stand and Barnsley have a big cage on the away end where the smokers can go. Alcohol will never be allowed in stands again though because of cock boxes like Millwall fans. I think people have got used to seating now provided there is leg room and to be fair the DW is pretty generous for leg room. Anfield is a joke though, you have about 7 inches to the seat in front of you. I could see it potentially working at grounds like that where they have just crammed as many seats in as possible and made it terribly uncomfortable for folk. In situations like that you could could get more fans in and have more room for them without the seats there but other than for nostalgic reasons, i can’t see why it would/should happen.
I would question if the DW was able to install rail seating. The steps are steep so designed to ensure that the view from every seat is good. It certainly is and there are no restricted views unlike other stadia where the terrace design is more gradual. At the Emirates for instance in the lower quad as soon as the ball went down the line everyone stood up and you couldn’t see ball all. I imagine that the stadium design dictates whether rail seating is compatible. The stadiums in Germany were designed for rail seating whereas ours was designed as an all seater. Now if the corners could be adapted then that could be the way to go. I may be way off the mark of course and if standing is to be reintroduced time will tell.
Can I come at this from adifferent angle chaps? I’ve made my views known on this, many times before, but nothing has changed.
My vote goes strongly for the safe standing option. Nothing to do do with satisfying those who would prefer to stand, but to give the young kids and us owd uns a chance to see the game.
My young grandkid has lost total interest in watching Latics away, because on most occasions, he just looks at the persons back who is standing in front of him. I’ve took him to various grounds and he’s had to stand on the seat for a period then eventually he sits down saying his legs / feet are aching. The same applies to vertically challenged people and those elderley fans who have dodgy backs and hips.
We are supposed to be the family club Jason, but we are discouraging our youngsters from watching the team away. Please pass this message onto the club and dont be fobbed off with “its out of our hands”, no it’s not. All tickets are issued from the stadium unless the demand is such that there are plenty tickets left and it’s pay on the day, just like Oldham.
I can’t remember what club it was, it may have been Doncaster, but as you walked in the stewards where directing those fans who wanted to stand to the last 15 rows or so, thus resulting in a sit down zone for families etc.
If the club say the home team dictate the selling order, then fine, they can sell starting from the block they have been told tom sell first, if there are 30 rows, allocate say the back 20 rows to standing and the first 10 to sitting. If they say its not practicable, then me and a few mates will spend a few hours every fortnight sorting them out for um.
It’s not a criminal offence to stand at an all seater football stadiums, but it does contravene 99% of the various grounds rules. I’m not for getting fans thrown out, there is absolutely no need for that, but let’s make things fair for all.
From Matlock to ManU
What a journey!Id be up for it. Would benefit the rugby as well.That has changed my view on it and I’m now totally against it. We should instead be looking into ways of making it a more undesirable and less beneficial to the cuckoos.
Maybe we could make the stadium all rail seating and put the rails close together so the egg fans couldn’t fit between them. Stop selling pies on rugby days might also help.
Only joking Egg, you know I don’t mean it???Could it increase the Capacity.No real necessity for that at the moment, maybe when we are in the Champions League.
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