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With the greatest respect to jay and the club who I presume have asked him to ask this I find it farcical that they don’t know the full facts about it. For instance it’s not 1 person per rail seat when the seats are locked upright it’s 1.5 per space.
Wasn’t aware of that, I thought it was the same capacity as seating, 1 per “seat”.
I voted (very narrowly) against. If that’s correct info, I’m now strongly against. Been to games years ago where you couldn’t put your hand in your pocket without elbowing the person next to you so I’m out….
That’s the same anywhere to be fair
As part of my job, from time to time I have to calculate the safe capacity for a particular room based on fire regs & h&s guidance.
The only change to the formula goes off how the room is set up I.e. Standing, sitting in rows, sitting around tables etc.,
The 1.5 guidance in this instance (if true) is nothing like a return to the packed terraces of yesteryear where there were smaller, shallower steps with people stood on each one & a crush barrier every so many rows. This is on the existing steps with a barrier on every row.
But as I’ve mentioned elsewhere if they bring in the safer standing & you don’t want to use it, go in the seats. If you do want to use it then stand up – I’m just baffled as to why some people who prefer to sit down seem to be so vehemently against giving people the option of standing upHi mate,Like I said the “safe standing” campaign is led by the rail seat licensees. I dont doubt that fans have called for it ever since the ban but this specific campaign is funded and promoted by the company, thats why theres no open debate about other options for standing.
Again im not saying people are idiots but shoukdnt the campaign be safer standing rather than safe. Like you said standing isnt completely safe.
The point im making about the key and bringing down the seat is that again it makes it more unsafe. The key will be a generic allan key or similar and trust me they will be easy to get hold of or people will find other ways to drop the seat.
In an emergency at any sports club people can be asked to make their way to pitch level anything that restricts the direction people can move in an emergency can cause injurys. With the current seats people can clamber over them if need be in a rush. For instance what would happen if a rail seat aisle is blocked on one or both exits?
I totally agree its not planned that way but in an evacuation people will jump seats and in doing so reduce the weight of traffic to aisles.
Personally I think its daft us going back in time
Safer/safe?? It’s splitting hairs Faz. Like I said, people know you can’t make it completely safe just like seating isn’t completely safe
I’m not sure how the odd person getting hold of a key makes it any more unsafe than normal seating. Have there been any reports of mass unlocking of the seats causing an issue in Germany? Make the seats on a spring like they are normally & even if someone unlocks it there is no more of an issue than with the current seating.
People clambering over the existing seats in an emergency can cause accidents. I’ve seen it. However regardless like I said, the stadiums are designed to be evacuated within a specific amount of time using the aisles & rows so there would not be any issue about evacuating. The weight of traffic to the aisles doesn’t need to be reduced – they’re designed for it.
And it isn’t going back in time – goIng back in time would be a return to massive terraces with pens & crush barriers every 5-10 metres. This proposals, other than being in an upright position are nothingn of the sortI have to put on here that it isn’t the Club behind me putting this on, I have had no discussions with them regarding this in quite a few years.
I have however been talking to other Club SLO’s and the FSF over the summer and they say there is an increase in fans at clubs saying they want this. Out of curiosity I wanted to see what fans of our great club think.
I can see it from both sides, plus I can see if from the Clubs perspective too.
FA Cup Winners 2013, sounds good that
I have to put on here that it isn’t the Club behind me putting this on, I have had no discussions with them regarding this in quite a few years.I have however been talking to other Club SLO’s and the FSF over the summer and they say there is an increase in fans at clubs saying they want this. Out of curiosity I wanted to see what fans of our great club think.
I can see it from both sides, plus I can see if from the Clubs perspective too.
Jayt, have any of your contacts heard of, or spoke about the possibility of safe standing areas without seats attached to the rails?
Not that I have heard of. They have looked at the German model as it’s primary option due to the stats of there being no difference (if not better match experience) to standard seating.
I am glad there is sensible debate going on about this as it was uproar 4 or 5 years ago when it was first suggested and no dialogue was being entered into at all. It now seems that a couple of things are getting the attention of the governing body, this being just one…. others (which we may debate at a later date) include drinking in view of the pitch and the costs of tickets.
FA Cup Winners 2013, sounds good that
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