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Portsmouth are a club who were in the premier league on gates roughly the same as we get they tried the paying more for players of Premiership quality as you are on about and ended up shit street hope that helps
Look, if Whelan wants a Premier league club, he should expect to pay premier league prices,
Would that apply to the spectators as well ? raising season tickets to a minimum £450 a season ?
I dont think he’s taking the peewee he his running the club within it’s limits and on a sound footing
have to agree with johndoe
better players and finishing top ten with good cup runs would draw more fans
whelan seems happy to just toddle on struggling year in year out and receiving tv money
but to defend whelan ,he has not got the financial clout or backing to push the club onwards
just a matter of time before we decline where we came from harsh but realityBefore i start, my tin hat is on ;)My problem with all this is that Wigan Athletic are an established Premier League club, and with that comes certain expectations. We are way off the mark when it comes to transfer budgets and wages, when compared to the rest of the clubs in the league, and even compared to some in the championship, and i know that Whelan is trying to run a tight ship and not pay out extortionate wages, but the answer to that is that were in the wrong league then. The premier league attracts global audiences, expecting to watch top players, and the TV money paid is to keep that sort of talent in the league, thus making consistently good viewing, thats what theyre paying for.
Wigan are taking that money, the same as Stoke, Fulham, Everton, Sunderland etc etc, but not investing it in top quality playing staff.
Its like a law firm getting 10 million a year to represent high profile cases, then sending a binman into court on £300 a week.I think alot of fans that once admired plucky little Wigan, are now getting a bit pissed off with us hanging around, spending sweet nothing, empty stadium, and just being ‘there’. Its understandable when you first get promoted to not go berserk with big signings and big wages, but when youve had 7 years of stability, 7 years of tv money, and bought and sold players for massive profit, is it not a fair risk to up the wages a bit, to even compete with our peers, to make the odd marquee signing to attract more fans? I think its a piss take myself, there comes a point where as an owner you have to invest some coin into your business and make it grow, he wouldnt have done this in any other of his businesses, just let it bumble along making a loss or just breaking even, he’d identify improvements, invest where required and make a success out of it, in order to compete with his rivals, the way the club is structured we can’t compete, so whats the point of even being there other than pissing off everyone that isn’t daft enough to keep throwing their own hard earned into something that gives little to nothing back, unless you get off on the annual relegation survival scrap that quite frankly has become a boring and should in no way be classed as a ‘success’, its a point or three away from abject failure, and unless he starts running it like a PREMIER LEAGUE club and not a poundstretcher it’ll be the same until we plummet down the leagues back to where we ‘belong’.
I’ll start the ball rolling on the counter then: you’re talking nonsense.
Firstly, why should Whelan invest more of his money into the club? Hasn’t he invested enough already? Why should he invest millions when the club struggle to attract more than 12,000 who’ll invest £300 a year on a season ticket.
Even if we had 25,000 on every week, that’s an addition 7,000 people coming through the turnstiles. For argument’s sake let’s say all those extra tickets were sold at £25 each. That’s a massive sum of £3.3 million we’d earn per season. Hardly enough to build a top of the table side is it?
And no, people in Wigan won’t pay extra to watch a better side. After the club’s first season in the Premier League when they surpassed all expectations by finishing tenth and reaching a cup final, the club increased the ticket prices and the average attendance dropped by 5,000.
The likes of Stoke, Everton etc have a long establish fanbase who have had red and white / blue running through their veins for decades. They can charge more for a season ticket and still fill their stadiums every week. Our fanbase has grown dramatically and suddenly over the course of ten years, and there are still many who watch the club who, although they won’t admit it, would have their excuse book ready if prices increased.
So what you are actually saying is Wigan shouldn’t be in the Premier League if they don’t spend more than they currently do? Wigan spend as much as they can spend – simple as that. The club still runs at a loss, albeit a loss that is decreasing season on season, and if you Google Premier League Finances, you’ll see scores of articles on the subject.
Rather than not deserving to be the Premier League, Wigan deserve to be in it more than the likes of QPR or City with their ‘money no object’ approach.
And you don’t have to be reckless to go the same way as Portsmouth. Birmingham, Hull, Cardiff, and Southampton weren’t far off and they didn’t exactly sign a squad of world class stars.
1. Because he owns a premier league club, nobody forced him to, and he knew what he was getting into, it was his ambition to get there, what I want to know is why? If you’re not going to try and compete?
2. 3.3 million would pay 2 decent players £30000 a week.
3. I disagree, I think if the team were competing and having a run in the cups, we’d attract more fans. If we steadily built that, we’d end up in a situation where demand outstripped supply, then prices could be increased, it’s the only way to do that, steadily building over time, we’re going backwards and heading for the trap door. And why don’t we take the cups seriously?
4. Our fan base has indeed grown rapidly over the last ten years, and now it has dramatically stopped, even gone backwards, why is that? In my opinion, because there is no ambition, no investment and no entertainment, apart from the obligatory Houdini act, which has now become boring. To get more fans, and to build the club into one with history and success, there needs to be steady investment and ambition to win things, you don’t get a trophy for avoiding relegation.
5. Yes, in my opinion, the club is better structured to be in the championship, based on transfer budget, wages, standard of player and attendances. Again, I don’t see the point in being in a league that you can’t compete in and refuse to improve in order to compete. And this is compounded by the disgraceful disregard shown for the cups.
6. I said it would be a fair risk to pay a bit more in wages and make the odd marquee signing, given the fact that we’ve been in this league for 7 years now, and by doing that would give us a better chance of staying there and actually getting better, thus building the club and hopefully winning things down the line. At the moment the club is run with the view that we’ll be relegated and we’ll be right when it happens because we pay next to nothing in wages and we buy cheap an sell high. But were actually in the premier league, and being paid to be there, if he invested in better players, he’d get more fans, if he got more fans, he’d sell more merchandise, he’d get better sponsorships, so hopefully he’d get a return on his investment, but obviously this is all just opinion, still think I’m right though, and it’s far from ‘nonsense’
Who cares what other teams do or don’t do in the transfer Market. I moaned about our transfers for the last two seasons, and wanted Martinez out and said wheelnut was tight etc etc. I learned a lesson in being proved wrong. There are far worse and far more worrying things in this world. Let’s be thankful our own town (not by any means a city), and the club we grew up with have had seven years of unbelievable success.
If any of you have a kid who is not quite as good as the other kids at football, you don’t love your own kid any less and try to swap him for a better kid. Life shows you that you stick with what you have, what’s yours, and you enjoy every minute and each and every success no matter how small, and share the darker days knowing things will get better.
I would not have written a post like this a season back. Good luck to anyone who plays for us, forget those who don’t. We love the shirt not the players in it after all.
Roll on Chelsea!
1. Because he owns a premier league club, nobody forced him to, and he knew what he was getting into, it was his ambition to get there, what I want to know is why? If you’re not going to try and compete?But it wasn’t a Premier League club when he took over. You are honestly asking why he wanted to get the club to the Premier League? Do you not see that as an achievement in itself?
2. 3.3 million would pay 2 decent players £30000 a week.£1.5 million a year? The average Premier League player is on about £1.2 million a year, so you’d get two average players.. What are they going to be signed with?
3. I disagree, I think if the team were competing and having a run in the cups, we’d attract more fans. If we steadily built that, we’d end up in a situation where demand outstripped supply, then prices could be increased, it’s the only way to do that, steadily building over time, we’re going backwards and heading for the trap door. And why don’t we take the cups seriously?Like f@ck they would! We are talking about Wiganers here. The ground fills when tickets are free. Even the rugby struggle to get a crowd if the game isn’t including in the price of a season ticket (ie. the play-offs). So you would gamble on signing overpaid, expensive players in the hope you’d fill the stadium and increase ticket prices? We’re not talking a £20 punt on a horse.
4. Our fan base has indeed grown rapidly over the last ten years, and now it has dramatically stopped, even gone backwards, why is that? In my opinion, because there is no ambition, no investment and no entertainment, apart from the obligatory Houdini act, which has now become boring. To get more fans, and to build the club into one with history and success, there needs to be steady investment and ambition to win things, you don’t get a trophy for avoiding relegation.See above comment, and, we have nothing to invest with. If you want to see a team spending money and winning things I can send you the postcode for the Etihad.
5. Yes, in my opinion, the club is better structured to be in the championship, based on transfer budget, wages, standard of player and attendances. Again, I don’t see the point in being in a league that you can’t compete in and refuse to improve in order to compete. And this is compounded by the disgraceful disregard shown for the cups.You’re right. Let’s resign from this league immediately. Is the fact that we’ve consistently attained enough points to stay in the league when bigger team have gone not justification enough that we should be in it?
6. I said it would be a fair risk to pay a bit more in wages and make the odd marquee signing, given the fact that we’ve been in this league for 7 years now, and by doing that would give us a better chance of staying there and actually getting better, thus building the club and hopefully winning things down the line. At the moment the club is run with the view that we’ll be relegated and we’ll be right when it happens because we pay next to nothing in wages and we buy cheap an sell high. But were actually in the premier league, and being paid to be there, if he invested in better players, he’d get more fans, if he got more fans, he’d sell more merchandise, he’d get better sponsorships, so hopefully he’d get a return on his investment, but obviously this is all just opinion, still think I’m right though, and it’s far from ‘nonsense’A fair risk? Jesus H Christ! We’re talking millions of pounds. If your little gamble doesn’t pay off, you’re fooked and there’s no going back. You have players on your books who you can’t get rid of, draining your coffers jar (see Jason Koumas or Marlon King) and the fans still aren’t coming through the gates.
You know nothing of how the club is run, who it’s run by, and what their motivation is – so you cannot comment on that. The club is run in accordance with its finances. Nobody wants to get relegated because if that happened, half the people running the club would lose their jobs or at the very least, would have to take huge salary cuts.
What better sponsorships? We are Wigan – a club who play in a northern mining town and whose very name is associated with Rugby League, pigeons and brass bands – hardly the top of Sony or Coca Cola’s wish-list. We are in the same sponsorship pool as the likes of Bolton, Blackburn, Burnley, and Middlesbrough. We don’t and probably never will get the big sponsorship deals.
I’m failing to see who you think Wigan should be aiming to emulate? Fulham – that long established club in an affluent area of London; Everton – that long establish team in one of the UK’s biggest cities; Stoke – another long established club with a local, but partizan following and an owner whose wealth totally eclipses Whelan’s.
And, what do you suppose the global merchandise sales of established clubs like Fulham, Stoke, Blackburn, Bolton amounts to?
Yes, I’d love the club to be a bigger ticket than they are, but you’re looking at an investment of twenty years or so – at least a generation’s worth.
And you’re right, your post isn’t nonsense. It’s stuff and nonsense.
You’re right.
I usually am ;)[/quote]
I see your still not responding to the alternative argument goodpost
Who cares what other teams do or don’t do in the transfer Market. I moaned about our transfers for the last two seasons, and wanted Martinez out and said wheelnut was tight etc etc. I learned a lesson in being proved wrong. There are far worse and far more worrying things in this world. Let’s be thankful our own town (not by any means a city), and the club we grew up with have had seven years of unbelievable success.If any of you have a kid who is not quite as good as the other kids at football, you don’t love your own kid any less and try to swap him for a better kid. Life shows you that you stick with what you have, what’s yours, and you enjoy every minute and each and every success no matter how small, and share the darker days knowing things will get better.
I would not have written a post like this a season back. Good luck to anyone who plays for us, forget those who don’t. We love the shirt not the players in it after all.
Roll on Chelsea!
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Who cares what other teams do or don’t do in the transfer Market. I moaned about our transfers for the last two seasons, and wanted Martinez out and said wheelnut was tight etc etc. I learned a lesson in being proved wrong. There are far worse and far more worrying things in this world. Let’s be thankful our own town (not by any means a city), and the club we grew up with have had seven years of unbelievable success.
If any of you have a kid who is not quite as good as the other kids at football, you don’t love your own kid any less and try to swap him for a better kid. Life shows you that you stick with what you have, what’s yours, and you enjoy every minute and each and every success no matter how small, and share the darker days knowing things will get better.
I would not have written a post like this a season back. Good luck to anyone who plays for us, forget those who don’t. We love the shirt not the players in it after all.
Roll on Chelsea!
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goodpost indeed. This represents a conversion of almost biblical proportions.Who cares what other teams do or don’t do in the transfer Market. I moaned about our transfers for the last two seasons, and wanted Martinez out and said wheelnut was tight etc etc. I learned a lesson in being proved wrong. There are far worse and far more worrying things in this world. Let’s be thankful our own town (not by any means a city), and the club we grew up with have had seven years of unbelievable success.If any of you have a kid who is not quite as good as the other kids at football, you don’t love your own kid any less and try to swap him for a better kid. Life shows you that you stick with what you have, what’s yours, and you enjoy every minute and each and every success no matter how small, and share the darker days knowing things will get better.
I would not have written a post like this a season back. Good luck to anyone who plays for us, forget those who don’t. We love the shirt not the players in it after all.
Roll on Chelsea!
Turncoat !! B)
JohnDoe that must be the first post I have seen on here that goes on such an idiotic rant without me feeling the need to throw in my pennys worth.
I couldnt even be arsed reading most of it but my eyes are instantly drawn to such comments as “no entertainment” and “going backwards heading for the trap door”.
If you cant see the progress or entertainment factor in the back end of last season then feck off and support someone else :angry:
JohnDoe that must be the first post I have seen on here that goes on such an idiotic rant without me feeling the need to throw in my pennys worth.But it did make you feel like throwing your two pennys worth didn’t it?
Oh, and I stopped watching them at Christmas, were they any good after that?
Easily wound up some on here, must be because deep down they know I’m right :P
JohnDoe that must be the first post I have seen on here that goes on such an idiotic rant without me feeling the need to throw in my pennys worth.
But it did make you feel like throwing your two pennys worth didn’t it?
Oh, and I stopped watching them at Christmas, were they any good after that?
Easily wound up some on here, must be because deep down they know I’m right :P[/quote]
If thats my pennys worth then my piggy bank must be ready to burst!
Sorry John but the Cockneylatic windup club is more than over subscribed….
Why not try the reasoned friendly debate club or better yet get a life ya sadden :P
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