Shaun Derry

Regardless of how theatrically Ashley Young went down, in the laws of the game it was a foul. Due to where the offence was committed it was the denial of an obvious goalscoring opportunity & so the referee got his decision spot on.
There was no way in a million years that QPR were going to get that decision overturned & I think its only Youngs theatrics which have meant that the ban hasn’t been increased for a frivilous appeal
The fact that the liner fecked up with the offside call is irrelevant in QPR’s appeal

As for Balotelli’s challenge (the knee high studs up one) I don’t think the ref would have argued that he saw it but as a team (with his assistants) it was. In terms of their assessments they will lose less points for saying they saw it than saying that between the 4 of them they missed it completely. If the liner says he saw it but in real time & at his view point it didn’t look that bad (which in all likelihood is what happened) then there is nowt the FA can do

Oh well atleast its not just little Wigan which seems like everything goes against us. Them being in the relegation battle also, so this is a good thing for us…

Of course it should but that’s irrelevant.
The match officials will not pick up every single offence that is committed during a game as that is impossible. True this one appeared clear cut & was a bad mistake from the linesman but you can’t start using the argument of “Yeah but we should have had an offside first so he shouldn’t be sent off” otherwise (taken to extremes) you could start using it if a ref fails to spot a bad foul & the player fouled turns round & thumps the player who fouled him but then claims “Yeah but I should have had a free kick first so you can’t send me off”

The only thing QPR did or could appeal about was that the sending off was incorrect in law & it wasn’t[/quote]

thank you for the response TL all that says to me is that the FA have given a green light to carry on diving and until this is sorted out we will have more arguments about this and players being banned

Of course it should but that’s irrelevant.
The match officials will not pick up every single offence that is committed during a game as that is impossible. True this one appeared clear cut & was a bad mistake from the linesman but you can’t start using the argument of “Yeah but we should have had an offside first so he shouldn’t be sent off” otherwise (taken to extremes) you could start using it if a ref fails to spot a bad foul & the player fouled turns round & thumps the player who fouled him but then claims “Yeah but I should have had a free kick first so you can’t send me off”

The only thing QPR did or could appeal about was that the sending off was incorrect in law & it wasn’t[/quote]

thank you for the response TL all that says to me is that the FA have given a green light to carry on diving and until this is sorted out we will have more arguments about this and players being banned[/quote]

To be fair to me, I have in the past when refereeing awarded a penalty for a foul & then also cautioned the player fouled for simulation for a blatant dive when all that had happened was he’d had his arm tugged.
In the incident from this game i would have done the same but there was a foul & so Derry’s red card shouldn’t be rescinded
Also, I won’t watch Barcelona play where they’re on the telly because the way they over-react to fouls & challenges winds me up. Similarly, in the last world cup final the rolling & screaming from the Spanish players whenever a Dutch player went near them was more infuriating (to me) than the hatchet tactics of the Dutch
Like I say though I just don’t see what you expected the FA to do because there was a foul from Derry no matter how much of a meal Young made of it

With pantomime diving and wreckless challenges the last thing we need is the people supposed to be upholding the law of the game worrying about their fecking assesment.

Just give the fecking 4th official a big IPAD so he can watch the game on skygo and tell the ref through his walkie talkie what he and the rest of the world can see in a matter of seconds!

Its not rocket science like the FA would have you beleive its just COMMON SENSE![/quote]

With all due respect, everybody who does a job is concerned about how their bosses view their performance & so they’re no different. In this sense what I was inferring was not that the concerns about assessment marks governed their actions on the pitch but that after the game when its obvious they missed it they may have covered their tracks – again in similar circumstances in their job I suspect everybody would do the same
In this instance I actually think the challenge was seen by one of the assistants at the time & (to him) it didn’t look as bad as it did slowed down – i saw the challenge at the time on the telly & it looked somet & nowt. It was only when they slowed it down & showed it from a different angle that it looked shocking.
If that is the case then again the FA’s hands are tied

As for your suggestion of the 4th official with an ipad – as simple as you may think it is, it would be an absolute disaster. If you have someone watching the game like that pulling the ref up for everything that he’s missed or got wrong it would soon become apparent to the players that the guy out in the middle is getting things wrong & is having his authority overruled by someone else. Once that respect of the official in the middle goes the conduct of the players to each other & towards the ref & his assistants would just plummet & it’d end up a nightmare – I’ve done it myself in a game recently where I let a player off with a warning for telling me to eff off & the rest of a game was a nightmare to control after that no matter how hard I tried to pull it back.
Being a ref is about far more than being able to judge whether player A fouled player B which is why match control accounts for 25% of a referees mark (another 25% is for application of law & the other categories are all between 5 & 10% each).
If you do introduce video technology the only way you could even contemplate doing it would be for the ref to be able to refer things similarly to rugby league. Even then as football is a more flowing & less stop start game you have the problem of at what point the ref pulls play back. Does he stop it straight away & risk pishing off the attacking team if they were in good possession or does he allow play to carry on till the next time it is in touch (which could be some time later) & if there was an offence is play & the clock then dragged back to where it took place
Far from improving the game, for me it would ruin it[/quote]

“after the game when its obvious they missed it they may have covered their tracks ”

Why should they have to everyone is aware its a tough job ?

And the covering of their own arse only serves to make the FA’s decisions more difficult.. thus not helping the problem.

“If you have someone watching the game like that pulling the ref up for everything that he’s missed or got wrong it would soon become apparent to the players that the guy out in the middle is getting things wrong & is having his authority overruled by someone else.”

I wasnt talking about every nip and tuck but more basic decisions that cannot be excused e.g. blatant offside / violent behaviour missed by the referee however I do completely agree as if they tried it and that was what was happening surely they should just get rid of the referee as the Ipad holding 4th official would clearly be better at making the decisions thus solving the problem of offending the poor referee who is upset because he is getting pulled up on not doing his job properly.

Failing that hook me up to a tannoy in the stadiums because I was doing a better job of it sitting on my arse at home via a poor stream V Chelsea.

I appreciate this is a touchy subject for you Tyldsley but I think it is time for a change as the decisions that are going against teams can cost them millions of pounds so my sympathy for Johnny ref’s assesment form after the game is non exsistent.

Have never ref’d a game in my life and I know they have a hard job I am not debating that but if someone stood on the touchline can do a better job with an Ipad in his hand then let em do it.

I’m a great beleiver that you shouldnt fix something that is not broke.

That is obviously not the case here.

But all this slowing the game down for me is utter tosh, it takes a matter of seconds and if you had a 5th official who’s job was to sit there and watch the game on telly surely it would only add another dimension of sight to the referee’s ability to make the correct decision via a quick conversation over the walky talky headset thingy.

Fair play Tyldsley

Your obviously more qualified than me on the topic I just hope decisions against us previously even out in tonights game :)

Tyldesley, you say that you think they were being honest regarding the Balotelli incident?
The one when he went knee high at song?

As far as I understand it, Balotelli couldn’t get punished retrospectively, because the ref said he saw it and Took the appropriate action at the time. Firstly am I right in my understanding of it?

If I am right in my understanding, then how can the ref, after saying he’s seen the foul, say that it didn’t even warrant a card? Is that an honest piece of refereeing? Because I can’t for the life of me see how anyone can see that challenge and not give a straight red card, and if he didn’t see it he should admit he didn’t. Whichever way I look at it, the referee is being far from honest.

But I’m open to your view on it mate, I must be missing something?